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Guardian hasn't forgotten time with Schiavo, and never will
Kansas City Star ^ | Fri, Mar. 18, 2005 | CARA BUCKLEY

Posted on 03/18/2005 10:22:14 PM PST by nickcarraway

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To: flaglady47
You're going to lose on every level of this case, you know. On every point. In every court. The U.S. Supreme Court just shot down Congress's appeal. And Monday, no matter what gyrations certain members of Congress go through, it will do absolutely no good as most members of Congress have already left town on spring break, and won't come back in to vote on this subject, not very many of them at all. There won't be enough members to make a quorum so there won't be any vote. And Congress won't return until, I believe the first week in April, two weeks from now. By that time it will be too late.

This little piece of screed shows you are indeed dancing with the ghouls on Terri's grave-to-be. Greer picked the date quite cunningly and you rub it in. Anyhow, the courts can't stop a Congressional subpoena if it comes to the president ordering it to be enforced. They can only sit on the sidelines and huff and puff.

81 posted on 03/19/2005 2:55:02 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

"Anyhow, the courts can't stop a Congressional subpoena if it comes to the president ordering it to be enforced. They can only sit on the sidelines and huff and puff."

Will never happen. Wishful thinking on your part.


82 posted on 03/19/2005 3:05:59 AM PST by flaglady47 (O)
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To: Lexinom

> Sedation is a better explanation. It is merely a theory,

Which seems plausible.

> and one that seems consistent with the facts. ... Michael may have ordered the sedation, who knows?

He is a registered nurse.
A declaration by one of the nurses who attended to Terri reported that when Michael used to come see her, he often locked the door and was alone with her for a noticeable period of time.

> What other explanation is there?

Florida neurological specialist Dr. Hammesfahr spent a good many hours with Terri. Among other observations he reported about her is that she is legally blind.


83 posted on 03/19/2005 3:06:44 AM PST by l.tecolote (doing what I can from California)
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To: flaglady47

You and your snippy little ones will always carp and dance with ghouls.


84 posted on 03/19/2005 3:07:13 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: The Red Zone

"will always carp"

It's no carp. It's a statement of fact. You'll see.


85 posted on 03/19/2005 3:10:13 AM PST by flaglady47 (O)
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To: Trinity_Tx

Bump for reference. A very interesting read. Two areas of concern. The fact that the court accepted the potentialy biased word of Schiavo and HIS relatives that she stated she wouldn't want to be kept alive. if she felt so strongly about this, WHY were her family members unaware of her feelings. That doesn't pass the smell test. Also, the fact that there was not an updated workup including MRI, new swallowing evaluation, cerebral blood flow studies. And a new set of reasonably unbiased neurologists to re-examine her. They should not be advocates of euthenasia like the mini-Kervorkian MD from the University of Minnesota/Hennepin County.


86 posted on 03/19/2005 3:10:42 AM PST by lainde
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To: flaglady47

You call for self fulfilling prophecy and then smugly smile when it comes to pass? Have fun with the ghouls.

George Bush don't need no stinkin' court okay to bring Terri to Congress now (and once out of Florida, to feed her); he only needs cojones. This is a part of the process of government that the courts have no more say about, than the Texas courts had when the Rat legislators went AWOL and the Sergeant at Arms ordered their arrest if found in Texas.


87 posted on 03/19/2005 3:15:41 AM PST by The Red Zone
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To: tessalu
I feel that Michael Schiavo is a man like Scott Peterson, who wanted rid of his wife.

Exactly right except Michael got the court (judge) to do it for him.

88 posted on 03/19/2005 3:40:27 AM PST by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Trinity_Tx
From the analysis article:

"This is a reflex response," testified University of Florida neurologist Melvin Greer, not related to the judge. "The muscles of the facial area will react to sensory and auditory stimulation."

So what is to keep some perverted "scientist" or "doctor" in the future from saying all of our behaviors are "reflex response"s?

I see the day coming, indeed it is here: Go ahead and do what you want with that non-person. Those so-called behaviors you see? Ignore them. Merely reflexive responses.

89 posted on 03/19/2005 3:42:01 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: Nevski
The new fact that judge greer is legally blind and unable to observe the video evidence of Terri should win her a stay and a new judge in the case at the very least. greer legally blind Greer is legally blind and has a soft voice and a patient manner in the courtroom. In his order that Schiavo's feeding tube be removed, he politely cited the "excellent argument" of both sides' lawyers, even as he wrote, "The Court is no longer comfortable granting stays simply upon the filings of new motions and petitions since there will always be 'new' issues that can be pled."

Are the state and federal legislators aware that judge greer is BLIND and unable to view the video evidence before him?

90 posted on 03/19/2005 5:03:51 AM PST by GailA (Glory be to GOD and his only son Jesus.)
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To: Drango

No. They said there was indication in the videos that she could respond and did but because she couldn't do it consistently, they ruled PVS. Good grief this woman is brain damaged, hello? If she could "consistently" respond everytime she wouldn't have brain damage, would she? Has anyone's BRAINS ever concluded that she is responding vaguely and only occasionally because that is all she can do? DUHHHHHH


91 posted on 03/19/2005 5:55:14 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: PFKEY

I've looked these things up.He might say what level of care she receives beyound just the basic no frills care but hospice still has to act within some medical ethical guildlines. If they just did whatever he said then maybe whe would be dead already.

Then explain how Terri is ILLEGALLY in a hospice?


92 posted on 03/19/2005 5:58:00 AM PST by greccogirl ("Freedom belongs to those who are willing to sacrifice the most for it")
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To: Darkwolf377
A husband who refused the full spectrum of treatments for his wife isn't the person I want making such decisions for her.

You need to fight to have the law changed.

93 posted on 03/19/2005 6:03:17 AM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: Recovering_Democrat
"This is a reflex response," testified University of Florida neurologist Melvin Greer, not related to the judge. "The muscles of the facial area will react to sensory and auditory stimulation."

Only when the brain coordinates those responses. The facial muscles have no mechanism to detect auditory signals, so cannot respond to them by themselves. And they can only respond to sensory signals by sending a message to the brain and receiving a message in return. This is not reflex--reflex only happens when there is physical stimulation (such as by a sharp tap directly on a nerve) of the nerves, causing inappropriate release of neurotransmitters into the muscle. Reflex movements are jerky and rapid.

It really makes me angry when so-called experts like this make statements like this. They're using the fact that most people do not have the necessary scientific background to assess these statements in order to promote an agenda. (This kind of misuse of science happens all the time--look at the proponents of fuel cells, embryonic stem cell research, etc.)

94 posted on 03/19/2005 6:29:07 AM PST by exDemMom (Euthanasia, NO WAY. Youth in Asia, OF COURSE.)
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To: Trinity_Tx

So, basically, when Terri was last aware, she was starving herself to death?? How ironic... and sad.


95 posted on 03/19/2005 6:49:27 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: exDemMom

***(This kind of misuse of science happens all the time--look at the proponents of fuel cells, embryonic stem cell research, etc.)***

So, you are an expert in fuel cell technology? And, I suppose you think they're a hoax?


96 posted on 03/19/2005 6:51:55 AM PST by SomeCallMeTim
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To: flaglady47
"will now be shot down. Want to bet?"

NOW??? That's been the pattern in this case since the get go. And many people on my side would agree wiht you.

The solution is available for the house and Senate, if they would only find it.

97 posted on 03/19/2005 7:27:18 AM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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To: nickcarraway

Wolfson is a courageous man who went to heroic efforts to find common ground amongst the Schindlers, Michael, and Jeb Bush. Because he wasn't able to successfully do so he is vilified by many.


98 posted on 03/19/2005 7:31:06 AM PST by ContraryMary
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To: AnimalLover

I forgot about those insulin vials, but I think the signs of insulin shock would have been too hard to miss even for Mr Wolfson.


99 posted on 03/19/2005 7:31:46 AM PST by tertiary01 (PVS is NOT responding to the surrounding environment. Terri responds!!)
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To: The Red Zone

I heard Tom DeLay last night on Michael Reagan's talk show, and he and others are working all this weekend to resolve the differences between the House and Senate versions of the Bill, so that when they vote on it that it will be passed into Law. They are meeting on Monday to vote on it.

But he also said something very chilling: He said that Terri will probably not last as long this time and that she could be dead within 2-3 days. They are monitoring things closely, it sounds like, and if Terri becomes critical the president can call an emergency session of Congress to vote on this Bill.

It's important that we let our legislatures know TODAY that we are expecting them to get their act together and work out their differences between the House and the Senate and pass into Law immediately the Bill that will not only save Terri but will also stop this horrendous tide of euthanasia that is going to sweep our country if they don't stop their partisan monkeying around and bowing to this arrogant Judge Greer and all his cronies.

Use this link to contact your Senators and Representatives; it's VERY easy to do:

http://www.capwiz.com/nrlc/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=7260151

And once you send it to them, use the form to send that page too everyone you can think of that will also contact their legislatures.

THEN write to President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov and urge him to call an emergency session of Congress this weekend to get this Bill voted on and passed into Law.

And MOST OF ALL, let's pray fervently like we've never prayed before.

There's way too much at stake here to sit on our hands and just let this all happen.

100 posted on 03/19/2005 7:44:23 AM PST by TruthSetsUFree
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