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Debate Over Brain-Damaged Florida Woman Renews Political Divide Over 'values'
Ap ^ | 3/20/05 | Tom Raum

Posted on 03/20/2005 2:15:46 PM PST by Jean S

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To: rasblue

The more I think about this, the more I think that the best argument is simply that the remedy is unconstitutional. It's really a form of torture, which I thinkm, the federal government has a right to prohibit. The rest of it really is a states rights issue.


21 posted on 03/20/2005 2:45:26 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
A good thing about all this is that every case of euthanasia is different. If they all take 8 years worth of litigation to reach a conclusion, ethanasia is not going to be a very popular thing to do.

Sounds like what they said when they got rid of the abortion laws. For that matter, sounds like what the Germans said when they killed the first handicapped kid.

22 posted on 03/20/2005 2:45:35 PM PST by madprof98
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To: rasblue

Let's put you in her place. Let's say you are conscious of your surroundings as Terri demonstrated ON CAMERA, and let's say she wanted to live, but could not get that message across to anyone. Now let's put YOU in her body. How would you feel having your means of life support removed from your body, but unable to tell anyone that you want to live? Have you even seen any of the video clips taken of Terri and how she responds to her environment?


23 posted on 03/20/2005 2:48:11 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: madprof98

You don't need to go to court to have an abortion. The Dems say that the feds have no role in this process. Fine. Let them bring an 8 year lawsuit every time they want to do this. If the feds have no role in this process, then the feds have no right to create any kind of streamlined process, which you can bet they'd do, if they had any say-so in this.


24 posted on 03/20/2005 2:48:39 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: rasblue

"we should do if for people to if that is they're choice."


So are you in favor of legalizing euthanasia?

(No one actually knows if Terri Schiavo wants to end her life. Only hearsay has been provided. There is no living will.)


25 posted on 03/20/2005 2:49:54 PM PST by macamadamia
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To: Brilliant
I don't see how a judge could possibly have concluded that this woman was in a vegetative state

You could see that with perfect 20-20 vision if you knew that the judge is involved with many of the helmlock hospices. Terri was illegally transferred to the current one 5 years ago. Read all about it here: Hospice FRAUD!

26 posted on 03/20/2005 2:51:47 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited

Having a relationship declared a legal, common law marriage is very complecated, has to be brought before a judge in a legally filed case for a ruling and only if the state the parties reside even has a common law marriage statute on the books.
Could you please direct me to proof that this has been done in this case?
Thank you.


27 posted on 03/20/2005 2:56:03 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: lolhelp

It's not declared. My point is that for all intents and purposes, they would be considered common-law married in an instant.


28 posted on 03/20/2005 2:58:58 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: JeanS
So, the "husband" has coughed up a lot of cash to the attorney helping him kill his "wife". Hmm, after all this time I bet the legal bills are a monster. I wonder what the "husband" will do once he sees that he's about to get cut out of any money from her death? That she might live a very long life with her parents. And that she might just start really communicating someday soon.
29 posted on 03/20/2005 2:59:11 PM PST by isthisnickcool (This space for rent.)
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To: JeanS

It's funny (or not) that when Chris Reeve was alive the libs were screaming that stem cell research could help him against the admonitions of many medicos that this was not the case. But in this situation there's not a peep from them. Just cries of "she's dead" and "there is no hope for her".


30 posted on 03/20/2005 3:04:11 PM PST by dandi
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To: JeanS

Well I think for the Dem's this is a lose-lose situation.
I guess we'll just have to see how bad they want to lose.


31 posted on 03/20/2005 3:14:26 PM PST by mowowie
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To: JeanS
No matter which side of the Schiavo case you may be on this case has morphed into a question of who makes the laws in this country.

Is it the elected representatives of the people, the elected Chief Executive, or one judge?

Judge Greer gave Congress the finger when they issued a congressional subpoena halting Terri's feeding because he knew that Congress hasn't the spine to back up that subpoena with federal Marshal's.

If Congress cannot face down a lonely judge in this case how can Congress ever hope to wrest back control of its constitutional authority from the Judiciary who usurped it?
32 posted on 03/20/2005 3:17:05 PM PST by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Congress)
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To: isthisnickcool

Yea I bet the "Hubby" is feeling a little nervous tonight.


33 posted on 03/20/2005 3:18:01 PM PST by mowowie
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To: JeanS
For the most part, minority-party Democrats are asserting that congressional involvement in such a heart-wrenching private matter is unwarranted and unwise.

It is passing strange that if this were a horse that were being starved, this would be a slam-dunk charge of cruelty to animals, no matter what judge had passed on it. If this were Ted Bundy or John Wayne Gacy being starved, then this would be cruel and unusual punishment under the 8th amendment. Even Bobby Sands probably received more consideration from the British than Judge Greer is giving Mrs. Schiavo.

But to some people in our government, starving a human is merely "a heart-wrenching private matter." I don't agree. I don't believe that any government in these United States can legitimately order a cruel execution via starvation for either man or beast.

If one volunteers to not receive sustenance clearly via living will, then that is one thing -- and it is not the thing now under discussion. A court simply ordering this inhuman cruelty with no crystal clear request for such expressed on the part of the person is wrong in my opinion.

34 posted on 03/20/2005 3:18:34 PM PST by snowsislander
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To: JeanS

Considering the Lib's take on all this I bet when the TV movie come out it'll be called "The Michael Shiavo Story".


35 posted on 03/20/2005 3:20:59 PM PST by mowowie
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To: mowowie

It is a lose-lose situation for the Dems. You are correct.


36 posted on 03/20/2005 3:23:00 PM PST by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Sometimes you just have to do what's right and make the law conform. I have no problem with that.


37 posted on 03/20/2005 3:26:39 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: AmericaUnited

They never bring that up - not once on MSM have I heard that Michael has been living with another woman as her husband and has two children with her. Why don't they mention that? Surely the MSM is aware of that fact, aren't they?


38 posted on 03/20/2005 3:28:26 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: rasblue

"If that's their choice" - that's the key.


39 posted on 03/20/2005 3:33:11 PM PST by mlc9852
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To: AmericaUnited

**MS has been common-law married to another women for the past 10 years.** (MS being Michael Schiavo)



And that may be the whole problem. He can't marry his girl
friend until Terry dies.


40 posted on 03/20/2005 3:35:37 PM PST by RWCon (P)
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