Astronomical surprise: Massive old galaxies starve to death in the infant universe

Carnegie Institution of Washington ^ | 10 March 2005 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

There was an earlier thread somewhat related to this, but the current article has more information:
Surprise Discovery in the Early Universe [earliest known massive cluster of galaxies].

[PatrickHenry]

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[Junior]

"...Their existence was not predicted by theory and it pushes back the formation epoch of some of the most massive galaxies we see today."

Well, back to the old drawing board...

[biblewonk]

Yet another observation that doesn't fit into the big bang model. Add that to the super giant galaxy spiral galaxy that is some 80 times the size of the Milkyway, Galaxy structure, galaxy cluster motion. And a lot more that I can't remember.

[VadeRetro]

“We are really amazed — these are the earliest, oldest galaxies found to date. Their existence was not predicted by theory and it pushes back the formation epoch of some of the most massive galaxies we see today."

Darwin Central will be upset. Somebody forgot to supress a jarring data point.

[sandydipper]

How big is a "red giant" star? I believe that if our Sun had Beatlegues' diameter we would be inside the star.

[johnmilken]

Wow...the universe rocks!

Once again I have to step back from all the 'mundane' posts and just boggle at the enormity of everything and think how cool it is to take part for an instant.

[PatrickHenry]

Darwin Central will be upset. Somebody forgot to supress a jarring data point.

What the anti-science posters still don't understand -- and probably never will -- is that scientists love it when stuff like this is observed. It's an opportunity to learn more about the universe, and to improve their theories. But we'll be seeing several more posts to the effect that this is some kind of a disaster, which will cause the whole edifice of science to come crashing down.

[trebb]

Isn't God AWESOME!!! We can't even begin to imagine the totality of what He spoke into existence in order that we might exist as we do. If His universe is any indication, I find it easy to believe that living with Him in Eternity will not grow old or stale, but be a continuous delight.

[facedown]

bttt

[Centurion2000]

Notice that none of the scientists came right out and said.

"We were wrong"

[PatrickHenry]

How big is a "red giant" star? I believe that if our Sun had Beatlegues' diameter we would be inside the star.

Right.

At its most likely distance of 425 light years, its measured angular diameter yields a radius 630 times that of the Sun, 2.9 astronomical units. If placed at the Sun, the star would go 55% of the way to the orbit of the planet Jupiter. The star is so large that it is the first ever actually directly imaged as a disk from Earth (by the Hubble Space Telescope).

From this website: BETELGEUSE (Alpha Orionis).

[shekkian]

They had rapidly formed massive amounts of stars out of gas much earlier in the universe's history, but then suddenly starved to death, ...

Did Judge Greer make another ruling?

[VadeRetro]

But we'll be seeing several more posts to the effect that this is some kind of a disaster, which will cause the whole edifice of science to come crashing down.

It was just a house of cards you know. Now it's all collapsed, all an illusion. Perhaps my car won't start or my computer won't boot up. It's only a coincidence they've been working so far. We're melting away! Melting away! What a world!

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the ping!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Judge Greer's fault.

Reinsert the feeding tube.

[litehaus]

"...Their existence was not predicted by theory and it pushes back the formation epoch of some of the most massive galaxies we see today."Well, back to the old drawing board..."

FACTS change? Facts changes our outlook? No dumbocrats in this field of study ..that's for sure!

[Centurion2000]

How big is a "red giant" star? I believe that if our Sun had Beatlegues' diameter we would be inside the star.

Antares would swallow up Mars. Of course red giants have another nickname as well, Red-hot vaccuum.

[R. Scott]

Betelgeuse was always one of my favorite stars to watch on the 4-8 watch when I was working the Hawaiian waters. When out at sea and miles away from artificial light sources its true magnificence shows. It changes from red to yellow to blue through the spectrum as it “twinkles”, a truly awesome beacon in the sky.

[Truth666]

starve to death in the infant universe

Mind control Auschwitz agenda ping