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Religion and Natural History Clash Among the [Jewish] Ultra-Orthodox
NY Times ^ | March 22, 2005 | ALEX MINDLIN

Posted on 03/22/2005 5:06:42 AM PST by Pharmboy


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It was early January when the posters went up in Mea Shearim, Jerusalem's largest ultra-Orthodox neighborhood, and they signaled the start of a bad year for Rabbi Nosson Slifkin.

Twenty-three ultra-Orthodox rabbis had signed an open letter denouncing the books of Rabbi Slifkin, an ultra-Orthodox Israeli scholar and science writer. The letter read, in part: "He believes that the world is millions of years old - all nonsense! - and many other things that should not be heard and certainly not believed. His books must be kept at a distance and may not be possessed or distributed." Rabbi Slifkin, the letter-writers continued, should "burn all his writings."

Fundamentalist Christians have long championed a literal reading of the Bible that suggests the planet is thousands of years old, rather than millions. But the denunciation of Rabbi Slifkin has publicized a parallel strain of thought among ultra-Orthodox Jews, a subset of the Orthodox Jewish community that is deeply skeptical of modern culture, avoiding television and the Web and often disdaining college education.

Rabbi Slifkin has made a career of reconciling Jewish Scripture with modern natural history. He teaches a course in biblical and talmudic zoology at Yeshivat Lev HaTorah, near Jerusalem, and gives frequent lectures, sometimes wearing a boa constrictor along with his black hat and jacket. With nine books to his name at age 29, he is a young up-and-comer in the sober world of Jewish scholarship.

The controversy surrounding him has pitted Jews who are skeptical of science against their more cosmopolitan brethren, who may follow ultra-Orthodox traditions but hold jobs as doctors or teachers. "My sense is there are literally tens of thousands of people who are upset about the ban," said Dr. Andrew Klafter, an assistant professor of clinical psychiatry at the University of Cincinnati School of Medicine, who is ultra-Orthodox. "I'm very, very puzzled by it."

In the days after the ban, Rabbi Slifkin's publisher and distributor dropped the three books mentioned in the open letter. He himself lost several speaking engagements and saw his own rabbi pressured to expel him from his synagogue. "He was crushed," said a friend, Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, a professor of Jewish law and ethics at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "Do you know what it's like to walk through the street and see posters branding you a heretic?"

Three of Rabbi Slifkin's books, published from 2001 to 2004, were singled out in the letter or in related materials: "Mysterious Creatures," "The Science of Torah" and "The Camel, the Hare and the Hyrax."

Predictably, the banned books have become hits. A copy of "Science of Torah" recently sold on eBay for $125, or five times its cover price. And Rabbi Gil Student, whose company, Yashar Books, has taken over the distribution of the other two books, said he had done a year's business in a month selling them.

Rabbi Slifkin's books seek to reconcile, rather than to contrast, sacred texts with modern knowledge of the natural world.

But in the process, he has sometimes cast a critical eye on those texts. In "Mysterious Creatures," Rabbi Slifkin discussed fantastic animals mentioned in the Torah and the Talmud - among them, the unicorn and the phoenix - and suggested that, in reporting their existence, Jewish sages might have relied on the erroneous writings of ancient naturalists.

He gently debunked the claim, found in a medieval text, that geese grow on trees, explaining that it was "based on the peculiar anatomy of a certain seashell." And he examined the Talmudic doctrine that lice, alone of all animals, may be killed on the Sabbath because they do not sexually reproduce - a premise now known to be false.

In "The Camel, the Hare and the Hyrax," Rabbi Slifkin examined the difficult separation of animals into kosher and nonkosher, and discussed apparent exceptions and contradictions to the claims of Jewish law. (The aardvark and the rhinoceros, for example, meet one test for being kosher but not another.)

And in "The Science of Torah," he took a scientist's eye to the Torah. Evolution, he wrote, did not disprove God's existence and was consistent with Jewish thought. He suggested that the Big Bang theory paralleled the account of the universe's creation given by the medieval Spanish-Jewish sage Ramban. And Rabbi Slifkin wrote, to quote his own later paraphrase, that "tree-ring chronology, ice layers and sediment layers in riverbeds all show clear proof to the naked eye that the world is much more than 5,765 years old."

The latter statement was particularly galling to the rabbi's critics, who support a literal reading of Genesis that they say puts the earth's age at 5,765.

The rabbis who signed the letter denouncing Rabbi Slifkin are widely respected Torah authorities; one of them, Yosef Shalom Elyashiv, 91, is a leader of Israel's United Torah Judaism Party and one of the most respected scholars in Orthodox Ashkenazi Judaism. As a result, the letter has had repercussions far beyond the congregations of those who signed it. Rabbi Slifkin's publisher, Targum Press, and his distributor, Feldheim Publishers, have stopped carrying the books. Aish HaTorah, an Orthodox outreach organization, has removed most of his articles from its Web site.

Revered though they are, however, most of the rabbis signing the letter are not known as community leaders or public voices; only one of the Americans, for example, sits on the eight-member Council of Torah Sages at the head of Agudath Israel of America, an influential national Orthodox organization. Rather, they represent the most unworldly segment of the ultra-Orthodox community, in which learning is prized and contact with the secular world, including secular education, is shunned.

The letter against Rabbi Slifkin is not the only recent outburst against science among the ultra-Orthodox. Last November, during the annual conference of Agudath Israel, Rabbi Uren Reich, the dean of Yeshiva of Woodlake Village in New Jersey, said, "These same scientists who tell you with such clarity what happened 65 million years ago - ask them what the weather will be like in New York in two weeks' time."

Many science-minded ultra-Orthodox Jews say it is spiritually wrenching to see leaders they revere endorsing views they oppose.

Rabbi Adlerstein of Loyola said: "I know rabbis, I know teens in yeshivas who were on the verge of quitting" when the letter first came out. "They look at themselves in the mirror and they say, 'What have I been representing?' "


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianity; creationism; evolution; fundamentalism; judaism; naturalhistory; rabbi; ultraorthodox
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It's been too long without a classic freeper evolution vs. creationist thread. This is a kosher one...
1 posted on 03/22/2005 5:06:43 AM PST by Pharmboy
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To: PatrickHenry

*Ping*


2 posted on 03/22/2005 5:10:44 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Alouette; SJackson; Salem

Ping of interest!

I like the picture of the rabbi with the lion!


3 posted on 03/22/2005 6:10:49 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Pharmboy; Junior; VadeRetro; longshadow
Thanks for the ping. Tempting thread, and the Rabbi is a neat guy, but this isn't about some new scientific development, nor is it a political controversy, like the school board battles over evolution.

I may be wrong, but I see this as being primarily about interpretation of scripture. I suspect that things will get very divisive here, flames may erupt, and the thread could end up in the smokey backroom, or maybe the religion forum. So I'll spare my list the trouble which is almost certain to develop. I guess I worry too much.

4 posted on 03/22/2005 7:22:23 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: 1bigdictator; 1st-P-In-The-Pod; 2sheep; A Jovial Cad; A_Conservative_in_Cambridge; a_witness; ...
FRmail me to be added or removed from this Judaic/pro-Israel ping list.

WARNING: This is a high volume ping list

5 posted on 03/22/2005 7:35:03 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Pharmboy
"These same scientists who tell you with such clarity what happened 65 million years ago - ask them what the weather will be like in New York in two weeks' time."

This is as much a non-sequiter as "they can put a man on the Moon, but they can't cure the common cold." Silly rabbis, those tricks are for yids.

6 posted on 03/22/2005 7:35:19 AM PST by Junior (FABRICATI DIEM, PVNC)
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To: Pharmboy
The whole basis of evolution is that natural, physical laws as we know them now have always been that way. This is an understandable position for atheist materialists, but I have never understood why anyone who believes in an Omnipotent G-d and that supernatural phenomena have occurred in apparent violation of natural law numerous times in history would insist on uniformitarianism during the actual creation process.

I know of one Orthodox rabbi (he has a website teaching this so it's not leshon hara`) who believes in theistic evolution but also that the earth is hollow and that's where the demons live. Now may I ask why the same pressure to conform to uniformitarian science in the process of Creation doesn't defer to that same science on the nature of the inside of the earth?

At least these people don't believe in the resurrection of J*sus, a violation of natural law believed in devoutly by chr*stian theistic evolutionists.

7 posted on 03/22/2005 7:43:15 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Barukh Mordekhai! 'Arur Haman!)
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And in "The Science of Torah," he took a scientist's eye to the Torah. Evolution, he wrote, did not disprove God's existence and was consistent with Jewish thought. He suggested that the Big Bang theory paralleled the account of the universe's creation given by the medieval Spanish-Jewish sage Ramban. And Rabbi Slifkin wrote, to quote his own later paraphrase, that "tree-ring chronology, ice layers and sediment layers in riverbeds all show clear proof to the naked eye that the world is much more than 5,765 years old."

Of course they do. If one assumes that physical laws are absolute and unchanging. One could also claim that these were a product of the Geat Flood. But each explanation is an assumption based on preconceptions, though only the latter will admit this. And again, why evolutionists are so eager to get everyone to agree with them on the utter naturalism of the world's origin that they are willing to compromise on other things (the splitting of the Sea, the Revelation at Sinai, [lehavdil], the alleged resurrection of J*sus, etc.) is beyond me. It doesn't seem a logical position.

In the days after the ban, Rabbi Slifkin's publisher and distributor dropped the three books mentioned in the open letter. He himself lost several speaking engagements and saw his own rabbi pressured to expel him from his synagogue. "He was crushed," said a friend, Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein, a professor of Jewish law and ethics at Loyola Law School in Los Angeles. "Do you know what it's like to walk through the street and see posters branding you a heretic?"

Indeed. Creationists have been ridiculed as heretics, innovationists, and "19th century positivists" for decades by the religious establishment. Hey, I'm a Creationist who's been Catholic, so don't ask me what it feels like to be considered a heretic!

So when do the "indigenous pipples" of the world have to modify their traditional beliefs in light of European science and rationalism? And how come the Darwinists and third world fundamentalists spend all their time pounding Bible-thumpers and never get mad at each other?

8 posted on 03/22/2005 7:56:25 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Barukh Mordekhai! 'Arur Haman!)
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To: Pharmboy

If the rabbi is "utlra-orthodox" as advertised in the article, why does he wear a trimmed beard.
He looks more like a Jesuit monk than an ULTRA-orthodox rabbi.

A rabbi, sure.
Orthodox, maybe. (Maybe sloppydox.)
But ULTRA-orthodox with a trimmed beard?

I am skeptical.


9 posted on 03/22/2005 8:29:37 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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To: Junior
Silly rabbis, those tricks are for yids.

Whoa...what'd they put in YOUR coffee this morning. I want some.

10 posted on 03/22/2005 9:10:08 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: PatrickHenry

No problem...just thought you might like to see the diversity in Creationism.


11 posted on 03/22/2005 9:11:19 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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To: Vicomte13

I think he is Modern Orthodox whereas his critics would be the Ultras.


12 posted on 03/22/2005 9:12:21 AM PST by Pharmboy ("Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God")
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... .just thought you might like to see the diversity in Creationism.

Yes, it is interesting. There's also a Muslim version, of course. Very common among them.

13 posted on 03/22/2005 9:56:44 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: Pharmboy

I'll bite.

God made the world.
Evolution is how He did it.
The Bible teaches us how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go.
Thus believes any Catholic who listened during science class back in Catholic school anyway.


14 posted on 03/22/2005 10:26:10 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak ishkwata!)
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But ULTRA-orthodox with a trimmed beard?

You are confusing "Ultra-Orthodox" with "Hasidic."

Hasidic Jewss do not trim their beards. Non-Hasidic haredim (those who attend the Lithuanian-rite yeshivos) trim their beards and some even shave.

The term "Ultra-Orthodox" is only used as a pejorative (like "right-wing Conservative" or "fundamentalist Christian"). I don't know any religious Jews who refer to themselves as "Ultra" Orthodox.

15 posted on 03/22/2005 11:05:34 AM PST by Alouette (Learned Mother of Zion)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
My son was told by his Hebrew teacher that there were no such things as dinosaurs. I didn't quite know what to say to that, as I do believe those skeletons belonged to some interesting creatures that obviously roamed the earth.

Since I do believe in an omnipotent Hashem, I believe all things are possible. I find I can believe in the Torah and science both. Not that science isn't wrong once in a while. Isn't it supposed to be impossible for bumble bees to fly?

16 posted on 03/22/2005 1:46:58 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Vicomte13

Well, that might be his whole beard?


17 posted on 03/22/2005 1:47:47 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle; BlackElk
My son was told by his Hebrew teacher that there were no such things as dinosaurs. I didn't quite know what to say to that, as I do believe those skeletons belonged to some interesting creatures that obviously roamed the earth.

We don't really know what interesting creatures may be roaming the earth today (this is the field of cryptozoology).

Since I do believe in an omnipotent Hashem, I believe all things are possible. I find I can believe in the Torah and science both. Not that science isn't wrong once in a while. Isn't it supposed to be impossible for bumble bees to fly?

That depends on how one defines "science." The word itself comes for the Greek word for knowledge. So how is this knowledge obtained? The traditional method is by observation, a method not available to people who speculate on the origin of the universe. Therefore they take the world and its physical laws as they exist today and backwards extrapolate. It is well and good to extrapolate about historical times like our own, but retrojection of natural law as we know it into the very Creation of the Universe is a presupposition with a capital "P." Furthermore, while I understand atheist materialists discounting the Mabbul (Flood) as a possible cause of many of the things invoked as evidence for evolution, I fail to understand the total discounting of this possibility by "kosher" theistic evolutionists (see below). Do such people truly believe that the Mabbul, which they accept, would have had absolutely no effect on the geological record whatsoever? Why do so many who claim to believe in the Flood then insist that the condition of the earth today must be the result of unalterable physical laws during the Six Days of Creation?

All Torah Jews, even those who subscribe to "theistic evolution," believe that once Adam and Eve were created on the Sixth Day, everything in the Torah happened exactly as written (all the early generations, the Flood, the Tower of Babel, the Patriarchs, etc.) and that human history is measured precisely by traditional Jewish chronology. This is not scientific evolutionism, as logic dictates that physical laws that remained unchanged during Creation certain would have remained unchanged since that time. However, as I have stated in a previous post, evolutionists have a strange habit of trying to get people to simply believe in their origins theory by promising that it won't interfere with a belief in all sorts of miraculous "zapping" later on. I don't quite understand the logic behind this trade-off.

There is simply no need for anyone who believes the world was created to insist this creation must have followed physical laws that were not then in existence (they were in the process of being created themselves, just like the universe of which they are a constituent part). To say this is akin to saying that a ticking clock could only have ticked its way into existence. The universe, physical reality as we know it, was first created, and only after this (in fact, also after the eating of the fruit, the Flood, and the Tower of Babel) did the laws of physicality gel into what we know today. Nor is the assertion that G-d created a fully functioning universe (or an Adam with the body of a 20 year old) the claim that the world was created with the "illusion of age." It is an "illusion of age" only to someone who dogmatically insists that the world must have developed much as the things within the fully functioning universe do today before our eyes (an analogy).

I would also point out that those who insist on relativizing time so that they may absolutize natural law are making an arbitrary decision not to take the opposite approach, ie, to relativize natural law and absolutize time. Simply put, the universe contains natural law, and this law could not have pre-existed it or governed its creation (unless, like our old "friend" Gecko, you want to claim that the laws of physics exist outside the universe as absolute platonic ideals).

Finally, I would offer a word to all those who think that Fundamentalist Protestants, who have remained faithful while everyone else either wavered or were invisible to the world, are being unreasonable. So far as I know, most evolutionists claim to support religious freedom, but they have to redefine religion as an allegorical method of inculcating ethics via culturally conditioned rituals and symbols. Freedom of religion, in other words, applies only to practices and not to beliefs (on this matter our contemporary materialists share the philosophy of the pre-modern Catholic Church, namely, that error has no rights). However, not all religions have rituals. Fundamentalist Protestantism is particularly devoid of rituals and customs (its worship service consists of listening to a lecture), and it consists almost totally in believing certain things about the real world and about what has happened in history. If this were taken away from them there would be nothing left. It's too bad that people who shed crocodile tears for the "genocide" of the native American cultures or of the peasant Catholic Irish during the potato famine can't treat Fundamentalist Protestants with the same respect. Oh well.

18 posted on 03/22/2005 2:34:22 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Barukh Mordekhai! 'Arur Haman!)
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To: Pharmboy
Science and theology will co-exist quite comfortably in the Messianic Era. Just as the universe is truly abundant so the knowledge of God's ways will be abundant also. The revelations and unfolding of the true potential of the universe continues. At certain times throughout history the zeitgeist really speeds up and makes quantum leaps.

When the students are ready to listen the teacher will appear.
19 posted on 03/22/2005 6:30:43 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: Vicomte13

"...But ULTRA-orthodox with a trimmed beard?"

Don't judge a book by YOUR idea of what the cover should look like. There is not such thing as "ultra-orthodox." It's a pejorative phrase given by others who feel threatened because of their own insecurities of people who live an observant Jewish life.


20 posted on 03/22/2005 7:57:33 PM PST by Seeing More Clearly Now
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