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To: bloggodocio

I'll answer all of your points:

1) Use of force.

Use of force is unnecessary. The governor of Florida has the power to suspend the county sheriff (as a county officer not subject to impeachment), appoint his own man and then order the police at the hospice to stand down.

Here are the relevant constitutional provisions:

FLORIDA CONSTITUTION

ARTICLE VIII - County Government
Section 1
(d) COUNTY OFFICERS. There shall be elected by the electors of each county, for terms of four years, a sheriff, a tax collector, a property appraiser, a supervisor of elections, and a clerk of the circuit court;

ARTICLE IV - Executive
SECTION 7. Suspensions; filling office during suspensions.--
(a) By executive order stating the grounds and filed with the custodian of state records, the governor may suspend from office any state officer not subject to impeachment, any officer of the militia not in the active service of the United States, or any county officer, for malfeasance, misfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony, and may fill the office by appointment for the period of suspension. The suspended officer may at any time before removal be reinstated by the governor.

ARTICLE III - Legislative
SECTION 17. Impeachment.--
(a) The governor, lieutenant governor, members of the cabinet, justices of the supreme court, judges of district courts of appeal, judges of circuit courts, and judges of county courts shall be liable to impeachment for misdemeanor in office.

2) Damage to the Constitutional system.

When judges make judgements that disregard laws, ignore or overreach the constitution, and then command unquestioned obedience of the executive for enforcement, that is judicial tyranny, judges exercising the functions of all three branches of government and a mockery of a constitutional system.

3) "What would happen if every Governor just started ignoring the judicial results that they disagreed with?"

During the first 50 years of the Constitution this happened a number of times. Jefferson and Jackson regularly ignored the Supreme Court. The State of Georgia ignored the Supreme Court by enforcing state law in the Cherokee Nation.

Real "Chaos" began with slavish devotion to bad court decisions; Dred Scot led to civil war, Plessy led to segregation, cases following Brown led to forced busing, taking prayer out of school can be argued to have caused much of the subsequent social breakdown, Roe has led to 45 million dead babies and more social disintegration etc.

Separation of Powers and Three Co-Equal Branches means that there is going to be a certain amount of chaos within the government. That is what was supposed to prevent them getting together and tyrannizing the people. What constitutional provision can you cite that the governor or President must do whatever judges say. And if so, aren't "separation" and "co-equal" just lies?

4) "Look at the national chaos caused by San Francisco's mayor when he in all his wisdom decided California voters were wrong when they said marriage was to be between one man and one woman."

Look at it from the other side: It brought their issue to national attention, it got it into court where some judges have agreed with it, it advanced the issue. You can disagree with it. You can argue that the tactic was wrong as a means of fighting their cause. But there is much to learn from it and the fact that we use arguments against the tactic as a means of defeating them should never preclude our use of tactic for our causes. It is hypocrisy on both sides, but in reality there is nothing wrong with using it while complaining about the other side.

5) "The problem with judges needs to be solved with judges."

SCOFLA is majority Republican.
The 11th Circuit is 7-5 Republican.
SCOTUS is 7-2 Republican.
Judge Greer is Republican (I heard).

It very much appears to me that it doesn't matter who has been appointed. Once on the court, their main motivation seems to be to maintain the power of the court.

6) "Those calling for figurative heads to roll need to take the long view. For the end result of your desires to stick, it must be arrived at within the sytem, not from without."

You and I disagree on what constitutes "the system".


15 posted on 03/29/2005 6:48:03 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide

You are right but so is Hewitt. There would be serious long-term consequences of the sort he is talking about; it might nonetheless be worth these consequences for the governor to take action. It's a very close call either way, so those (not you) who are dmonizing Hewitt ought to back off and recognize that there is no single good answer here. And part of the reason it's such a mess is that Congress is sitting on its hands as much or more than the two executives. Having intervened and gotten razor-toothed response from the MSM and the death-lovers, they are the cowards now, refusing to enforce their subpoena, which _would_ have a real, legal, justification.

We should be directing our anger as much at the RINOS in the Florida legislature and the cowards on the House Committeee as at Jeb Bush or W.

And, in all of this, it is very important not to forget that none of this would be happening were it not for George Greer, Michael Schiavo, George Felos and a huge cast of supporting characters in the MSM. If we turn on our own, whether Jeb Bush or Hugh Hewitt, and devour the, we only play into the hands of the leering face of death--Greer, Felos and others. Please, no matter what we say about Bush or Hewitt, we must always conclude by reminding ourselves who the real villains are here. Unless we do that Terri will have died in vain.


16 posted on 03/29/2005 7:02:50 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
For all those who think "action" is needed, which was a worse "travesty of justice" and caused more harm: the Terri Schaivo case or Roe v. Wade? Which has resulted in more death of innocents? How many of you have been calling for governors to send in the National Guard to storm the the abortion clinics and save the unborn? Would you "damn-the-torpedoes" and defend that as well? Bloggodocio
23 posted on 03/29/2005 10:10:02 AM PST by bloggodocio
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