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George Washington, Jonathan Pollard and the Jews
World Net Daily ^ | March 24, 2005 | Esther Pollard

Posted on 03/24/2005 7:35:43 AM PST by wesley_windam-price

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To: wesley_windam-price
(Sigh!) Here we go yet again.

(1) Who Pollard was spying for is irrelevant.
(2) Whether he's Jewish, Rastafarian, or a follower of Voodo is irrelevant.
(3) When you take a position such as his you are told up front what the penalties are for releasing the information in your custody to someone not cleared for it.
(4) You sign a paper detailing them. For compartmented information you sign a separate piece of paper for each program.
(5) There is no doubt, no possibility that Pollard did not know what he was doing.
(6) He released the information knowingly and deliberately. IT DOES NOT MATTER TO WHOM.
(7) He got caught. He goes to prison. End of story.

I sympathize with Mrs. Pollard and admire her loyalty to her husband. Had Pollard not betrayed his country things might have worked out better for them both.

21 posted on 03/24/2005 9:41:59 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: wesley_windam-price

I'm another Jew who thinks he should rot. What he did was treason in my book. Don't do the crime if you don't want to do the time.


22 posted on 03/24/2005 9:42:51 AM PST by thoughtomator (Murder by Judges, 1 - 2 - 3, it's as easy to learn as your ABCBSCNNMSNBCs)
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To: Howlin

You only like half of the truth. The other half is none of other spies, even those who spied for the enemy, received punishment even close to what Pollard got. But this is OK. And I am not a Pollard supporter.


23 posted on 03/24/2005 9:42:52 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: wesley_windam-price
Hey Jonathon!

If you can't do the time, DON'T DO THE CRIME!

And quit whining. You are lucky you weren't executed.

24 posted on 03/24/2005 9:45:50 AM PST by albee (A paranoid schizophrenic is somebody who just found out what is going on.)
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To: Mi-kha-el

I know just as much as you do, I would bet.

And he got what he got; I don't care what anybody else got; he deserves to be right where he is. Forever.


25 posted on 03/24/2005 9:46:24 AM PST by Howlin
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To: Mi-kha-el

I could never understand that people argued he should have less of a sentence because other people got less jail time. Surely it would be better to shoot the lot of them, that way they can all be equally dead, traitorous scum. I bet he would not be crying out for fair play if the rest of them had gotten what they deserved.


26 posted on 03/24/2005 9:47:55 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

"...if the rest of them had gotten what they deserved".

Thing is they did not and nevr will, end of story. That's why singling out Pollard out of the entire "traitorous scum" crows seems odd. This is the reason I am trying to understand this phenomenon.


27 posted on 03/24/2005 9:52:52 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: joylyn
Pollard recevied a harsh sentence for the same reason that Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did.

It is interesting that you bring up Rosenbergs' case in relation to Pollard's.

We do know now that Ethel Rosenberg used by the FBI to get Julius to confess. When he did not, they were executed together. There is no evidence that Julius gave Soviets the secrets about the atom bomb. It is absolutely clear that Ethel was totally innocent of any spying. She WAS murdered by this country government.

The article does bring up a lot of interesting points and it echos very well with Rosenbergs' case. Some of you who cry "treason", should pause for a minute and "talk among yourself".

George Washington's reference at the end was totally irrelevant.
28 posted on 03/24/2005 10:06:04 AM PST by chukcha
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To: Mi-kha-el

The question should not be why release Pollard but why not re-sentence the other traitors. Peopele are forced time and time again to reiterate the fact of his treason because people keep on caliming that he was acting in good faith, being discriminated gainst blah blah blah.

If people started doing this about Taliban Lindh or those spies from the 80's then they would get the same response. The sentences should be INCREASED not DECREASED. If people can be imprisoned for life for three strikes or for drink driving then treason should be as well.

Why would anyone call for this scum to get a lesser sentence because some other pond life did? They should be calling for a greater and far harsher sentence. So he got stripped naked and treated badly, so do the terrorists and traitors at Gitmo.


29 posted on 03/24/2005 10:06:05 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

Still don't get why he got special treatment while others escaped. But I guess I will never know that.


30 posted on 03/24/2005 10:12:30 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Mi-kha-el
"Thing is they did not and nevr will, end of story. That's why singling out Pollard out of the entire "traitorous scum" crows seems odd. This is the reason I am trying to understand this phenomenon."

Rather than try to come up with some nefarious plot against jews, did you ever consider that other spys don't have a cheering section? Think about it, do you want to be the CIA chief, judge or president that has to risk being viewed as one who caves to public pressure from citizens of another country regarding a NATIONAL SECURITY ISSUE. If pro Pollard cheerleaders would just shut the heck up, he'd be out in few years.
31 posted on 03/24/2005 10:12:45 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: wesley_windam-price

I always explain my position this way:

I could care less who you spy FOR, you were sentenced for spying AGAINST the UNITED STATES.

Nothing like a little perpective.


32 posted on 03/24/2005 10:15:06 AM PST by swordfish71 (There is no storm like the PERFECT ROVIAN STORM!)
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To: chukcha
She WAS murdered by this country government.

Wrong-o.

33 posted on 03/24/2005 10:17:19 AM PST by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Mi-kha-el

Sounds like Moral Relativism. A spy is a traitor and should not see the light fo day. Pollard was not forthcoming about his activities. The extent of his treason is huge. Maybe he got harsher treatment because he committede a greater breach of security than any other spy in modern history?
aybe because the information he sold caused huge damage and expense to the security of the US?

Need there be any other reason?


34 posted on 03/24/2005 10:18:07 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: wideawake
Wrong-o.

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35 posted on 03/24/2005 10:21:10 AM PST by chukcha
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To: StolarStorm

"Rather than try to come up with some nefarious plot against jews.."
Is this what it's all about?


36 posted on 03/24/2005 10:21:50 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Mi-kha-el

"Rather than try to come up with some nefarious plot against jews.."
Is this what it's all about?


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Yes Israel's greatest ally and supporter did not punish Pollard for treason and selling secrets of national security at all or because he exposed US spies, communication systems etc etc but they actually imprisoned him because he was Jewish.


37 posted on 03/24/2005 10:26:48 AM PST by kingsurfer
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To: kingsurfer

"Need there be any other reason?"
What reasons, there are only questions.
Do you think Robert Hansson caused more or less damage?


38 posted on 03/24/2005 10:26:52 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: kingsurfer
Pollard has one purpose, and one purpose only. Since the Israelis care so much about him, he's become a bargaining chip for the day when the US government REALLY needs something out of the Israelis.

Till then, he sits in cold storage. Naked, apparently, if we believe his defenders.

39 posted on 03/24/2005 10:27:50 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: Mi-kha-el

Do you think Hansson should have recieved the piddling sentence he got?
I don't.

If you were arguing for an increase in his sentence I would agree with you but it seems you are saying that traitors should only recieve a decade or so behind bars for betraying and damaging their country.

The damage both these men did should not be rewarded with early release or compassion of any kind.


40 posted on 03/24/2005 10:29:51 AM PST by kingsurfer
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