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Iraq's Insurgents 'Seek Exit Strategy'
Financial Times ^ | March 25 2005 | Steve Negus

Posted on 03/25/2005 2:06:57 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

Many of Iraq's predominantly Sunni Arab insurgents would lay down their arms and join the political process in exchange for guarantees of their safety and that of their co-religionists, according to a prominent Sunni politician.

Sharif Ali Bin al-Hussein, who heads Iraq's main monarchist movement and is in contact with guerrilla leaders, said many insurgents including former officials of the ruling Ba'ath party, army officers, and Islamists have been searching for a way to end their campaign against US troops and Iraqi government forces since the January 30 election.

“Firstly, they want to ensure their own security,” says Sharif Ali, who last week hosted a pan-Sunni conference attended by tribal sheikhs and other local leaders speaking on behalf of the insurgents.

Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said.

Sharif Ali distinguishes many Sunni insurgents, whom he says took up arms in reaction to the invasive raids in search of Ba'athist leaders and other “humiliations” soon after the 2003 war, from the radical jihadist branch associated with Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.

Unlike Mr Zarqawi's followers, who are thought to be responsible for the big suicide bomb attacks on Iraqi civilian targets, the other Sunni insurgents are more likely to plant bombs and carry out ambushes against security forces and US troops active near their homes.

Sharif Ali said the success of Iraq's elections dealt the insurgents a demoralising blow, prompting them to consider the need to enter the political process.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: exitstrategy; iraq; iraqiinsurgency; sunni; terrorism; wariniraq; waronterror
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1 posted on 03/25/2005 2:06:57 PM PST by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

I like the strategy we've been using. Kill the bastards.


2 posted on 03/25/2005 2:08:39 PM PST by pissant
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To: TexKat; Gucho; blackie; MEG33

ping Thank you


3 posted on 03/25/2005 2:09:06 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen.")
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To: pissant

Seems to be working pretty good so far.


4 posted on 03/25/2005 2:10:49 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: pissant
Yep. We find them, kill them, and they EXIT. Works for me!
5 posted on 03/25/2005 2:12:07 PM PST by hiredhand (Pudge the Indestructible Kitty lives at http://www.justonemorefarm.com)
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To: West Coast Conservative
“Firstly, they want to ensure their own security,” says Sharif Ali

They blow up old women on street corners, but now they want somebody to look out for “their own security.”

Cowardly pricks.

6 posted on 03/25/2005 2:13:20 PM PST by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: anonymoussierra

Hang 'em High!


7 posted on 03/25/2005 2:13:40 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Unlike Mr Zarqawi's followers, who are thought to be responsible for the big suicide bomb attacks on Iraqi civilian targets, the other Sunni insurgents are more likely to plant bombs and carry out ambushes against security forces and US troops active near their homes.

These harmless little fuzz-ball Baathist dead-enders are not like those terrorists. They just plant teeny-tiny, hardly-worth-mentioning car bombs. More like firecrackers than real bombs, they are. I'm sure the Financial Times would not mind having one of these bombs go off in the lobby of their building, even. It might damage the paint, but surely nobody would get hurt!

8 posted on 03/25/2005 2:14:13 PM PST by gridlock (ELIMINATE PERVERSE INCENTIVES)
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To: West Coast Conservative

It depends on their records. If they've spent years torturing and murdering people, then it's not a good bet that the friends and families of their victims will give them a free pardon.


9 posted on 03/25/2005 2:15:29 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: West Coast Conservative
...Strategery

"Some folks look at me and see a certain swagger, in Texas we call it 'walking'."

10 posted on 03/25/2005 2:15:41 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I don't get this at all. If the rank-and-file slink back home and stop attacking people, who will find them? The few leaders who are known to us (except Zarqawi) can easily negotiate a settlement by turning in the weapons and agreeing to stay out of trouble.

This whole article makes no sense to me.


11 posted on 03/25/2005 2:18:28 PM PST by Rocky
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To: pissant
Exactly. The more the better. Dead bodies don't resurface to kill our troops. Screw 'em--pile them up like firewood. Our guys are showing them what a real jihad looks like...
12 posted on 03/25/2005 2:20:57 PM PST by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Rocky
I think what they're really after is amnesty. A declaration, say, from the new government that no matter how many innocent civilians they blew up, nothing will be done to them.

It means the heat's on. The decision is the Iraqis', of course. And they don't seem to be in a forgiving mood, at least at the moment. Too much blood, too many bodies.

13 posted on 03/25/2005 2:21:45 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: West Coast Conservative
Someone notify Senator Kennedy.
14 posted on 03/25/2005 2:23:07 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Hezbollah will disarm before we see Kerry sign his SF 180,)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"ormer officials of the ruling Ba'ath party, army officers, and Islamists have been searching for a way to end their campaign against US troops and Iraqi government forces since the January 30 election."

Bwhahahahahahhahahahahaha!!!


15 posted on 03/25/2005 2:23:42 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: oldcomputerguy

I know, they can join the political process in Algeria.


16 posted on 03/25/2005 2:25:55 PM PST by oldcomputerguy
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To: West Coast Conservative
Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said.

No, no, don't be afraid. Come on out...you don't even have to put down your guns (heheheh).

17 posted on 03/25/2005 2:26:52 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: West Coast Conservative

Those insurgents seemed to have found themselves in a genuine "quagmire."


18 posted on 03/25/2005 2:27:11 PM PST by Radix (I could go on and on.........)
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To: pissant

Exactly. When your opponent is on his heels it is the perfect time to strike harder. As he begins to doubt himself and questions his cuase, up the levy and make the cost even higher. The only way to quell a guerilla opponent is to demoralize him.

I think you have to systematically remove his reasons for fighting. Make it very costly to excercise his options. By having the elections, we made their cause functionally obsolete. We need to make it clear now more than ever that we are coming to kill you if you continue to resist. The AKs will go back in the mud huts and they will integrate into society once again. That is the Baathists anyway. The Islamists are rabid killers, monsters who saw heads off in the name of their god. These vermin should simply be exterminated.


19 posted on 03/25/2005 2:27:37 PM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: Radix

They can seek asylum in France....


20 posted on 03/25/2005 2:28:30 PM PST by Joe 6-pack
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To: ChinaThreat

Yep, they did a darn good job over the last week or so of stacking up terror-scum corpses.


21 posted on 03/25/2005 2:28:55 PM PST by pissant
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To: West Coast Conservative

http://66.49.224.213/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index&catid=&topic=6

See above for proper exit stratgy under employment ad for Martyrs (Warning - Not for the kiddos)


22 posted on 03/25/2005 2:32:12 PM PST by Modok
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To: West Coast Conservative

Islamists have been searching for a way to end their campaign against US troops and Iraqi government forces since the January 30 election.

How about just stopping it.

23 posted on 03/25/2005 2:32:19 PM PST by ml1954
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To: West Coast Conservative

Good news bump! My recommendations:

1 Year imprisonment and release for the low-level Iraqi insurgents, with a small severance package after the 1 year so they can start a business. Big severance package for turning in mid-level or leadership level Iraqi insurgents. Still gotta stay in prison for a year, for your own protection, and to keep you off the field of battle.

5 Year imprisonment for mid-level Iraqi insurgents.

Firing squad for Iraqi insurgent leaders.

Fight to the death with the remaining non-Iraqi terrorists. They cannot be re-integrated. They must die or flee, preferably die. Having taken the wind out of the local insurgency, these guys will stand out like sore thumbs. Put a bounty on their heads. It would be like a Southerner trying to hide out in New York City. The minute he opens his mouth (accents being different), somebody will turn him in.

Go get 'em!


24 posted on 03/25/2005 2:33:05 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (Impotent [birthrates] Lazy [unemployment %] Cowardly [Militarily Unprepared] Euroweenies!)
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To: ChinaThreat
An article I read earlier today quoted an American Military official as saying that the average insurgency during the 20th century lasted nine years. All things considered, I think it's a little too early to believe that the kids on the other team are ready to put down all their guns and play nice from now on.

They're due for one more strong peak a year or so from now, and then they'll gradually start fading away.
25 posted on 03/25/2005 2:33:41 PM PST by lOKKI (You can ignore reality until it bites you in the ass.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Aw...poor things....I recommend they put a pair of panties on their heads and walk directly to Abu Ghraib for "treatment".


26 posted on 03/25/2005 2:36:57 PM PST by irish guard
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To: West Coast Conservative

"Iraq's insurgents seek exit strategy"

Translation: Now that we're losing, we don't want to play anymore. Waaahhhh!


27 posted on 03/25/2005 2:38:14 PM PST by JillValentine
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hmmm...interesting turn of events, if true. It was my, and others, opinion that the terrorists had lost their war January 30th. If they want to negotiate a surrender here is my suggestion:

Stop all attacks against coalition forces.

Stop all attacks against civilians.

Turn your guns on the jihadis and criminals in your midst.

Then we can talk. Otherwise, annihilation.


28 posted on 03/25/2005 2:38:40 PM PST by telebob
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To: West Coast Conservative
Ah, this must be the mising exit strategy the Dims have been chastising President Bush about.

LOL.

29 posted on 03/25/2005 2:46:47 PM PST by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Looks like the insurgency is going the way of Ted Kennedy's car @ Chappaquiddick: glug, glug, glug, glug.......


30 posted on 03/25/2005 2:49:33 PM PST by TimeLord (A whale fetus is a whale; a human fetus is a blob.)
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success of Iraq's elections dealt the insurgents a demoralising blow

Really, Dr. Watson?

31 posted on 03/25/2005 2:52:08 PM PST by george wythe
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To: pissant
I like the strategy we've been using. Kill the bastards.

Works for me.

32 posted on 03/25/2005 2:54:12 PM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pissant
"Yep, they did a darn good job over the last week or so of stacking up terror-scum corpses."

Just the ones we know about. Iraqi people have been tipping off the security forces about them for a while.

These guys must feel surrounded all of a sudden. That's too bad. There must be not that many volunteers from other countries left to kill along with them.

33 posted on 03/25/2005 3:03:45 PM PST by BobS
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To: blackie

I am very happy you do write:}}}}}}Thank you!!!!


34 posted on 03/25/2005 3:06:31 PM PST by anonymoussierra ("Et iube me venire ad te, ut cum Sanctis tuis laudem te in saecula saeculorum. Amen.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

Bugs me: "insurgents." If they are not Iraqi, then they can leave the way they came. Of course, they are fair game on the way out.

If they are Iraqis, then they should be tried for their crimes.


35 posted on 03/25/2005 3:09:22 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: gridlock
"These harmless little fuzz-ball Baathist dead-enders are not like those terrorists. They just plant teeny-tiny, hardly-worth-mentioning car bombs. More like firecrackers than real bombs, they are. I'm sure the Financial Times would not mind having one of these bombs go off in the lobby of their building, even. It might damage the paint, but surely nobody would get hurt!"

Heh, good one!

36 posted on 03/25/2005 3:10:44 PM PST by yellowhammer
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To: lOKKI

Unless they hold a grudge forever like most in the Arab world.

Some of it goes back hundreds of years. Doesn't make sense to me. Guess because I am an American.


37 posted on 03/25/2005 3:14:09 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: West Coast Conservative

ROTFLMFAO!!

38 posted on 03/25/2005 3:14:36 PM PST by IoCaster ("That to live by one man's will became the cause of all men's misery." - Richard Hooker)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Awwww, such a shame. Poor babies. There was no mercy from Allah when they held all the cards.

..."...Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said."...


39 posted on 03/25/2005 3:18:43 PM PST by jolie560
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To: All
"Can't we all just get along?"

Here sunni, sunni, sunni. Nice sunni. WHACK.

40 posted on 03/25/2005 3:21:58 PM PST by Proud_texan
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To: gridlock

Good point. I wonder if the Ft writer realizes that it's the Baathists and Sunnis who had the most access to Saddam's munitions. Zarqawi was not in any position to loot the muntion dumps as the U.S. was advancing on Baghdad. The Baathists and Republican Guard knew the house was coming down and where the goodies to carry on the struggle were located. These are bad guys who have much more deadly stuff than Zarqawi. Let them come completely clean, expose their weapons caches, AND give any info on Zarqawi and his minions and then we can talk about protecting their security.


41 posted on 03/25/2005 3:30:52 PM PST by xkaydet65 (Peace, Love, Brotherhood, and Firepower. And the greatest of these is Firepower!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Sharif Ali Bin al-Hussein and his contacts are full of bull hockey. They had their chance Janurary 31, 2005. They did not take it. And above all never trust a terrorist.


42 posted on 03/25/2005 3:42:22 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: xkaydet65

IMHO Zarqawi is already under lock and key.


43 posted on 03/25/2005 3:44:49 PM PST by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Michael Moore's Minutemen 'Seek Exit Strategy'.

"The Iraqis who have risen up against the occupation are not "insurgents" or "terrorists" or "The Enemy." They are the REVOLUTION, the Minutemen, and their numbers will grow -- and they will win. Get it, Mr. Bush?"

44 posted on 03/25/2005 4:14:56 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: All

45 posted on 03/25/2005 4:18:39 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: telebob

"Stop all attacks against coalition forces. Stop all attacks against civilians. Turn your guns on the jihadis and criminals in your midst. Then we can talk. Otherwise, annihilation"

Turning in, or turning their guns on the foreign jihadis would be a significant demonstration of goodwill.


46 posted on 03/25/2005 4:52:46 PM PST by Owl558 (Please excuse my spelling)
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To: finnman69

Looks like the five mullah's are saying 'not tonight, we all have a headache'.


47 posted on 03/25/2005 7:54:35 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: blackie

Well said!


48 posted on 03/25/2005 7:56:12 PM PST by HangThemHigh (Entropy is not what it used to be.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Insurgent leaders fear coming out into the open to talk for fear of being targeted by US military or Iraqi security forces' raids, he said.

Gee, I can't image why.

Hammorabi
Iraq - 'The Past, Present and Future of the Cradle of Civilization'!
http://hammorabi.blogspot.com/archives/2004_11_01_hammorabi_archive.html

11/10/2004
Al Yarmouk Hospital Attacked!

AlYarmouk Causality Department (ER) is one of the busiest hospitals in Baghdad.
It is attended by many poor and middle class people and the local population.

Following the Fatwa of the 26 Saudi ignorant and illiterate thugs last week the terrorist attacks increased on civilians and service sites every where in Iraq. One of the targets following that Fatwa is the ER department of the Al Yarmouk Hospital.

While the medical staffs were busy treating the injured civilians from the attack on two ancient Churches (Saint Mathew and Saint George Churches) in Baghdad a thug who responding to the devils' fatwa commit a suicidal car attack in the ER department!
The attack resulted in killing some of the hospital staffs, patients, and bypassed civilians turning their bodies into pieces. Part of the ER was damaged leading to transferring the patients and injured to other hospitals.

The car which was used to do this devilish act was stolen police car.

Can any animal in this planet agree with such acts as resistance? The answer is no because the animals are kinder creatures than some of the sub-animals and sub-devilish human being.

Here are some other actions of the thugs that the ignorant fools and low self-esteem dirty cockroaches describe them as resistance to liberate Iraq!:

-Attacking hospitals
-Attacking mosques like what happened to Imam Ali shrine and in Karbala
-Bombing Churches
-Killing Christians, Yazidis, Sabbians, and other Iraqi non-Muslims
-Killing the Iraqi Muslims especially Shias
-Kidnapping & killing workers in humanitarians organisation like for children
-Destroying the Iraqi wealth like the oil pipelines, power and water stations
-Kidnapping & killing hospital doctors, and university lecturers
-Imposing their mentally retarded way of thinking on the people
-Killing the visitors of the shrine of Imam Hussein
-Terrorising women and children

These people and any one support them have nothing to do with Islam and Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) will definitely disown them if he is with us now and he will do so on the Day of Judgment. Their predecessors killed and beheaded his son Hussein!
He taught them before the principles of war is not to attack civilian, not to pull down a Church or a chapel or any other worship places, not to frighten a woman or a child or an elderly, not to damage or destroy a tree, to leave the farmer in his farm and the worker at his work, to treat the wounded and take care of them even if they are from the enemy, to treat the POW humanely and feed them from your food, and so on and so forth!

So, where are these thugs from Prophet Mohammad who when did the dialogue with the Christians of Najran handed them his Mosque to perform their Sunday prayer in it? Where are these thugs from Imam Ali who prayed in a Church and asked his follower to leave it for its own people and not touch it by any harm?

These people are wounded by a slander from and possessed by the devil and when he pushed them to commit their crimes he exonerate himself from it just prior to its final execution.

As it was described by the Holly Quran:


And when Satan made their deeds seem fair to them and said: No one of mankind can conquer you this day, for I am your protector. But when the armies came in sight of one another, he took Sight, saying: Lo! I am guiltless of you. Lo! I see that which ye see not. Lo! I fear Allah. And Allah is severe in punishmen (Quran: 8; 48)

whosoever killeth a human being for other than man slaughter or corruption in the earth , it shall be as if be had killed all mankind , and whoso saveth the life of one , it shall be as if he had : saved the life of all mankind . Our messengers came unto them of old with clear proofs (of Allah's sovereignty), but afterwards lo! Many of them became prodigals in the earth. (Quran: 5; 32)

On the other hand there should be no one taken by the deed of another person at all irrespective of the relation between them as we are seeing of kidnapping and killing relatives of other people to put pressure on them yet the victims have nothing to do with that. The Holy Quran said in this:

Each soul earneth only on its own account, nor doth any laden bear another's load. Then unto your Lord is your return and He will tell you that wherein ye differed (Quran: 6; 164)


posted by hammorabi @ 11/10/2004 11:16:48 AM

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49 posted on 03/25/2005 8:08:56 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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To: Modok

I LOVE IT!


50 posted on 03/25/2005 8:12:26 PM PST by Valin (DARE to be average!)
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