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Michael Schiavo lawyer gave to judge's campaign.
World Net Daily ^ | 25 March 2005

Posted on 03/28/2005 9:06:49 AM PST by Doctor13

The judge who tried the Terri Schiavo case and most recently rejected Gov. Jeb Bush's request to intervene, received a campaign contribution from the lawyer pressing for the brain-injured woman's death, raising questions of a conflict of interest.

According to Florida's Department of State, County Circuit Court Judge George W. Greer received a contribution of $250 for his 2004 re-election campaign from Felos & Felos, the law firm of George Felos.

Felos, known as a "right-to-die" advocate, represents Terri Schiavo's estranged husband, Michael Schiavo, who won a court order from Greer to have the woman's life-sustaining feeding tube removed one week ago.

The contribution's apparent conflict of interest was raised by an Internet site investigating the Schiavo case, the Empire Journal, and by Rev. D. James Kennedy's group Center for Reclaiming America.

The contribution from Felos came May 7, 2004, one day after Pinellas County Circuit Court Judge Douglas Baird ruled "Terri's Law" unconstitutional. The Florida Legislature's measure was designed to enable Gov. Bush to intervene in the previous instance in which Terri Schiavo's feeding tube was removed.

The contribution from Felos was the only one made that day, indicating it was not part of a fund-raising effort.

The Empire Journal also reported contributions to Greer were made by three other lawyers who represented Michael Schiavo at various stages in the case.

Deborah Bushnell, Gwyneth Stanley and Stephen G. Nilsson each contributed at least $250 to Greer's re-election campaign, as did court-appointed attorneys representing the husband's interest, Pacarek & Herman and Richard Pearse.

WND attempted to reach the Florida Judicial Qualifications Commission, the independent body that investigates complaints against state judges, but there was no response.

Felos' office in Dunedin, Fla., also could not be reached.

The Empire Journal notes that in Florida, a judge is not required to recuse himself if he receives a contribution from an attorney in a case over which he presides.

Nevertheless, a contribution can establish the appearance of impropriety, and the state's code of judicial conduct requires a judge to remove himself in such a case.

Ronald D. Rotunda, professor of law at George Mason University, told the Empire Journal he sees such contributions as problematic.

He cites a 2002 poll of the American Bar Association concluding 84 percent of all Americans are concerned that the impartiality of judges is compromised by their need to raise campaign contributions.

Rotunda said judicial campaign contributions constitute or appear to constitute a tacit quid pro quo in which the judge favors or tilts towards the contributor-litigant.

TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: cnim; donors; felos; judgegreer; schiavo; terri

1 posted on 03/28/2005 9:06:50 AM PST by Doctor13
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To: Doctor13
Judge Greer, George Felos, Michael Schiavo... may the fleas of a thousand bubonic plague carrying rats, infest your pubic regions forever or until you rot in hell!
2 posted on 03/28/2005 9:08:24 AM PST by B-Cause ("Justice used to be blind. Now it is dead.")
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To: Doctor13
"tip of the iceberg" - Want the rest?

Here’s where most of the Terri Schiavo Insurance money went:

These funds, the result of a malpractice suit, were meant solely to provide for Terri Schiavo’s care and rehabilitation.
Atty. Gwyneth Stanley - $10,668.05
Atty. Deborah Bushnell - $65,607.00
Atty. Steve Nilson - $7,404.95
Atty. Pacarek - $1,500.00
Atty. Richard Pearse (GAL) - $4,511.95
Atty. George Felos - $397,249.99
1st Union/South Trust Bank – $55,459.85
Michael Schiavo - $10,929.95
Total: $545,852.34

Virtually as soon as Michael Schiavo received the monies from the medical malpractice claim involving his wife, Terri Schindler-Schiavo,
he withheld all therapy and rehabilitation services from her.

Terri Schiavo had sustained a serious brain injury as the result of a suspicious incident in their home in 1990 and in 1992,
her husband had filed claims against several of her former doctors, claiming her “collapse” was caused by a misdiagnosis.
He received over $1.5 million in 1993 including $750,000 which had been specifically earmarked by the trial jury for Terri’s rehabilitation based on a life expectancy of 50 years.
Mary and Bob Schindler Sr., her parents, consulted a St. Petersburg attorney about removing Michael Schiavo as their daughter’s guardian and discussed the case at length with him.
Unfortunately, the Schindlers did not have the amount of money the attorney demanded as a retainer to take the case.
That attorney became the judge in the case-----a totally prohibited conflict of interest.
Thereafter, the attorney-judge approved the hiring of George Felos as the attorney for Schiavo to be paid from the trust fund and the stage was set for her judicial homicide.
The judge wasn’t George W. Greer.
It was Mark I. Shames.

The money was then diverted to the Judicide G reer.






Lawyers For
Michael Schiavo

Hamden Baskin III   

Felos & Felos           

Deborah Bushnell    

Gyneth S. Stanley   

Steven Nilsson        

Beth Wilson             


$500  & $500
$150 and $250
$250 and $250
$250 and $100

Michael Schiavo’s Lawyer[s]

denies many or all of Schindler’s in favor of Felos
Greer Allows hearsay as evidence/disallows Schindler’s statements

Felos former chairman of board
of directors of Hospice of Florida Suncoast



Daniel Grieco                



Employer of Michael Schiavo at time of Feb. 25, 1990 then attorneyOf record for Michael up until the malpractice award,

Incident when injuries occurred to Terri,Reappeared as attorney for selected pleadings


Frank Nagatani

$50 and $50


DCF Attorney

testimony for DCF Investigator to appear on behalf of abuse allegations


Bernie McCabe


State Attorney

Allowed underling to appear in campaign ad for Greer
Will not call Grand Jury


Everett Rice

$500 & In-Kind

Sheriff/State Rep

Didn’t conduct criminal investigation into what really happened to Terri or allegations of abuse after initial incident
Allowed Deputy & use of county property to appear in campaign ad for Greer


John Carassas



Deputy Attorney General

Florida Deputy Attorney General, involvement with
Rice in Sept. 2003 motion for Greer recusal dueTo improper discussion of case


James Hellickson        


$150 & In Kind

Assistant state attorney in office of Bernie McCabe, Pinellas/Pasco State Attorney

Appeared in Greer Campaign Ad



Paula Shea

In Kind

Assistant Pinellas Public Defender

Appeared in Greer Campaign Ad 





Officer in Guardianship monitoring program and

Guardian ad litem pool

Was supposed to:
“evaluate information about the well-being and property of all persons adjudicated of having a legal incapacity so that the court can fulfill its legal obligation to protect and preserve the interests of the ward,”

Misc. People w connections

Richard La Belle           



Member of Board of Directors of
Advocacy Center
for Persons with Disabilities

Supposedly ACPD
doing investigation into Schiavo case


Battaglia, Ross, Disus and Wein     



Principal Kelli Crabb is past chairperson of Hospice Foundation of Florida Suncoast and member of Board of directors



Gus Bilirakis       


$40 cash

Former Hospice Board member and of American Hellonic Education Progressive Assoc. (AHEPA)

Felos past Governor


Divito and Higham           


$250 and $250

Law firm employed by St. Petersburg/Venice

Terri’s Dioceses





More? Click here

The Rule of Terri's Case Strikes Again. -2004- Judge Greer's crimes

Law conveniently changed by Hospice where Terri is dying

MICHAEL SCHIAVO's private Insurance company
Notice how 'insurance' is conveniently misspelled

MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S lies and contradictory testimony in easy to read format


Judgenfuhrer Greer: "We black-robed Mullahs are fully aware that our Fatwahs
ordering death by starvation for the handicapped
are IDENTICAL to the penalty used by the Nazis for innocent people trying to escape Auschwitz crematoria.
We shall now add 'First Night' and rape to our options. "


More info on the tangled web the Florida Judiciary has woven here


Adolf Eichmann
Nazi bureaucrat
Author of the Final Solution
Pinellas County District
Judgenfuhrer George Greer
American bureaucrat
"Author" of 'THERESA MARIE SCHINDLER SCHIAVO, incapacitated ex rel, Robert Schindler and Mary Schindler, her parents and next friends, versus MICHAEL SCHIAVO, as guardian of the person of Theresa Marie Schindler Schiavo, incapacitated, JUDGE GEORGE W. GREER, THE HOSPICE OF THE FLORIDA SUNCOAST, INC. leading to slow death by dehydration and starvation of a human being, in the Greer-Way
Their Common Legacy:
Torture, Starvation and

3 posted on 03/28/2005 9:08:53 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Doctor13

Probably most every other lawyer in the area did too, including some of her parents lawyers.

4 posted on 03/28/2005 9:11:36 AM PST by lolhelp
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To: lolhelp
"Probably most every other lawyer in the area did too, including some of her parents lawyers."

It's not about judicial kickbacks, it's about Judicial-Fatwah FORCED Murder by Extreme Torture.

It's about the fact that DEATH BY STARVATION was used by the Nazis for anyone daring to escape the Crematoria.

5 posted on 03/28/2005 9:14:33 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: lolhelp

6 posted on 03/28/2005 9:15:42 AM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: Diogenesis

What is all that ?

7 posted on 03/28/2005 9:18:18 AM PST by DollarCoins
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To: lolhelp

show me the proof and I'll consider it. Until then, Greer refusing to (1) recuse himself or (2) notify the Schindlers' counsel that he had accepted money from their opponents, so they could file a motion to replace him, is unethical and inappropriate.

8 posted on 03/28/2005 9:18:19 AM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Doctor13
George Felos is a total New Age nut case, as his own book describes --Check here for excerpts of his book: Excerpts from Litigation as Spiritual Practice by George Felos (Blue Dolphin Publishing, 2002)

If he had Christian-based pro-life beliefs and had written a book about it, that would have been all over the mainstream media and he would have been labeled as a radical biased pro-life Christian. Yet somehow no one really cares when someone is biased by their New Age beliefs and writes a book about how they get a charge of power from euthenizing others.

9 posted on 03/28/2005 9:19:30 AM PST by Sally II
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To: Diogenesis

But... can't you see the blissful euphoria in the faces of the Nazi death camp victims? They were lawfully being starved to death, and therefore it was perfectly permissible!

This may indeed be the beginning of the end of this nation. Too many people are willing to accept an innocent woman being starved/dehydrated to death because the 'law' might (and I stress might) have been followed.

10 posted on 03/28/2005 9:20:04 AM PST by ex 98C MI Dude (Our legal system is in a PVS. Time to remove it from the public feeding trough.)
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To: Doctor13
Even though I am not a lawyer with in my line of work requires me to be in court many times.

There have been many instances that I have seen when a judge has made full disclosure if he has in any way had contact or done business with an expert witness etc.
at that time either party can request the judge recuse himself from the case.

In Illinois we have the ARDC (Attorney Review and Discipline Commission) I am sure Florida has the same. Maybe a Lawyer from Florida can pursue this type of avenue in Florida against the judge.
11 posted on 03/28/2005 9:20:46 AM PST by 54skylark
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To: Doctor13

How would the MSM be covering this story if Terri was a Black Woman?

12 posted on 03/28/2005 9:27:48 AM PST by sierrahome (What's the Cuban national anthem? "Row, Row, Row Your Boat")
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To: Doctor13
What a shock, most trial lawyers give to the campaigns of every elected judge they might try a case before, whether they like them or not.


13 posted on 03/28/2005 9:32:36 AM PST by Servant of the 9 (Trust Me)
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To: Doctor13

BINGO! FOLLOW THE MONEY! That's what it's ALWAYS about isn't it?

14 posted on 03/28/2005 9:33:33 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (If there's anything worse than a "RINO", it HAS to be a "PLINO" [Pro-Life In Name Only])
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To: Diogenesis

Doctor Mengele conducted similar experiments on concentration camp prisoners. He is having a Hell of a time in Hell right now.

15 posted on 03/28/2005 9:35:41 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Doctor13

Does anyone know if Teri has a life insurance policy that Michael is the beneficiary of? I'm talking over and above the money that was won in the lawsuit. I'm talking about the kind of policy husbands and wives usually get for one another?

16 posted on 03/28/2005 9:36:38 AM PST by MissEdie
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To: B-Cause; Doctor13
Did you know that George Soros and Bill Clinton are involved in these right to die causes? NO SURPRISES! George Soros´s Open Society Institute (OSI).

GS has his own.... Third Way to Assisted Suicide?

How a handful of progressive foundations and quasi-government agencies set out to provide equitable distribution of health care, and in the process, created a duty to die and a culture of death -- and how they hope to secure their legacy . . .

Featuring the collaboration of: the Hastings Center, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation (RWJF), George Soros's Project on Death in America (PDIA), Institute of Medicine (IOM), AARP, Choice in Dying, and a number of prestigious universities, to name only a few.
Very Important Intro

:: UPRA :: Athenaeum Pontificium Regina Apostolorum

One such foundation is George Soros´s Open Society Institute (OSI). The OSI, through its Project on Death in America, gives millions of dollars for enhancing end-of-life care and none of the Project´s money is used for assisted suicide purposes. But the OSI provides grants for assisted suicide advocacy through OSI´s President´s Fund in its U.S. Programs office.>OSI´s stance also illustrates another aspect of support for the ´right to die,´ namely, that funders generally see a great distinction between euthanasia and assisted suicide. As Gara LaMarche, director of U.S. programs for OSI, puts it, ´We never use the word ´euthanasia´ around here.´
Open Society Institute and Soros Foundation Network

17 posted on 03/28/2005 9:43:38 AM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: Mi-kha-el; Doctor13
Check this website, listing "Ten Myths About Terri Schaivo."

Each one of these myths is refuted by FACTS on this website. Yet none of this is being reported by the media! (Scroll down to the refutation of Myth #1 on the website)

Myth 10) Terri M. Schindler-Schiavo is PVS (Persistent vegetative state)

Myth 9) Terri does not need rehab

Myths 8 and 7) Removal of food was both legal and court-ordered.

Myth 6) State Attorney, Bernie McCabe (Pinellas-Pasco, 6th Circuit State ATTY) does not have the authority [to investigate...]

Myth 5) The Adult Protective Services can't do anything because the "matter is in court

Myth 4) Florida Governor, Jeb Bush does not have the authority to act in this matter: It is left up to the Courts

Myth 3) The Florida Legislature can only pass laws, so they've done all they can do for Terri Schiavo

Myth 2) The local police can't do anything: It is "still in court"

Myth 1) The news media is really trying to expose the truth

18 posted on 03/28/2005 9:59:42 AM PST by CHARLITE (Women are powerful; freedom is beautiful.........and STUPID IS FOREVER!)
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To: Doctor13

I listened to his pathetic press conference yesterday, where he actually said that Terri was more peaceful looking that he had ever seen and was in no pain. I would like this lying weasel to do a fast for just 25 hours, as in a Tisha b' Av fast, where you not only fast from food, but water as well. I have done this, and I can tell you that the roof of your mouth gets so dry that your tongue sticks to it. It is not painless as he depicted...

19 posted on 03/28/2005 10:01:34 AM PST by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem in the name of the G-d of Jacob)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
BINGO! FOLLOW THE MONEY! That's what it's ALWAYS about isn't it?

There has been alot of scrutiny of the malpractice trust fund, Michael Schiavo's finances and the Felos donation to Greer. Nobody has even mentioned the Schindlers and their Terri Schindler Schiavo Foundation, Inc. Given their massive amount of support, one must assume that they also enjoy some massive fund raising. Some questions do arise.

Florida Non Profit

At the above link you will find the Foundation's non profit status in the State of Florida. The Schindlers, all four of them (sister's name is Carr now) and only the Schindlers control the money. Donations to non-profits are tax deductible according to the IRS.

Donation Page for Terri

At the above link they state that donations are NOT tax deductible. They claim that they are not a tax exempt organization. Why? The IRS explains why a tax exempt status would change. The Internal Revenue Code allows for tax exempt status for many types of organizations which operate for various nonprofit purposes. Generally, no part of the net earnings of such organizations may inure to the benefit of any private individual or shareholders or the organization.

Seems that the shareholders may be enuring some unallowable benefits. Of course, if your NOT a non-profit or tax exempt organization, nobody can look at your books. So what's up here?

They are right about one thing, the IRS hasn't got them on the non profit list. But the other name, Life Legal Defense Foundation, IS a non profit out of Napa, California. So why are donations not tax deductible? Usually one registered IRS non profit entity would "umbrella" the other. Somebody is making big money at the Schindler site it appears. IRS Charity Search

20 posted on 03/28/2005 10:02:07 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: Diogenesis
Most judges today think of themselves as Dictators and they are above the law. Many Judges over step their boundaries, many are guilty of crimes by the miss use of the
bench, favors, campaign money or personal pay offs but their is no Judge that is going to turn in another judge for illegal activity. Each judges covers up for the next and
no lawyer is going to go after these judges, any lawyer that tries to go after a judge will never, ever win a case in court.
All the Judges involved in the death of an innocent person
needs to be tried and convicted.
It is also against the law for 1 lawyer to represent both
parties, Michael and Terri. Terri has no lawyer that alone
should have triggered and investigation of Michail Schivao
and his lawyer.
Michael and his bother need to give DNA samples, they may
be connected with other crimes and possibly connected to
some of these judges. Mon
Michael Schiavo buying off Judge Greer is no surprise.
21 posted on 03/28/2005 10:11:39 AM PST by rebapiper (.)
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To: Doctor13

The implication of this horrid crime - the snuffing of Terri Schiavo in a way we wouldn't put down a soulless animal - goes beyond the cause of the infirm.

Think about this.

You have a judge making a decision of life or death on an innocent woman - a judge who is up to his comb-over in conflicts of interest:

1. Political conttibutions from the lawyer
2. Wife on the hospice board
3. Proclivity toward Scientology attitudes toward the utilitarian nature of a human being

No.1 should have stopped this dead in its tracks; if that doesn't work, No. 2 MUST be the showstopper, right? - how could it not be? Even No. 3 implies a decided bias based on religious beliefs - the same "bias" that Democrats have for many years cried about from the rooftops regarding abortion and "equal rights.

Here we are. Terri Schiavo's dehydrating to death. We have a landmark case - a case of life and death - and the futures of thousands of nameless, faceless invalids may hang in the balance. We have a hospice residency that violates the very definition of what a hospice stay is supposed to entail - PEOPLE ARE SENT TO HOSPICES TO DIE - they are NOT sent to be treated. No doctor signed off Terri's admission to hospice? None.

Are you kidding me? Has NONE of this struck the powers that be in Florida as corrupt? Suspicious? Hell, "oddly amusing"? ANYTHING??? A woman is dying. There's no documentation that she EVER said she wanted to be put down (and certainly not by dehy/starvation). The lawyer has a conflict of interest, the judge has at least TWO major conflicts of interest, the "husband" has a overt conflict of interest going on for fifteen years now, and no one - NO ONE in Florida government or Washington D.C. is looking at this and saying - "Wait - this stinks to high heaven - first and foremost, Greer cannot be impartial, the lawyer cannot be impartial, Michael Schiavo has already proven he wants only one outcome ---



I'm sorry, folks. I hate to use hyperbole, but there is a cancer eating away at every branch of government. We've lived with corruption - we've accepted that government is a place of bribes and infidelity and huge egoes that offer a neverending amount of lipservice about the Constitution and civic duty and patriotism and "the people".

I expected Democrats to look away (and not all of them did - some came to their senses), but what I didn't expect was that my party - the Republican party - inhabited by a legendary crew of weak sisters - would let Terri Schiavo go to her death with all of this evidence of impartiality - at the minimum, the PREPONDERANCE of impartiality - at their fingertips. Given that this is a matter of life and death, at the very LEAST, Judge Greer should have recused himself from the matter. Since that did not happen, it fell to the legistlative and executive branches of government to at LEAST step in, point out the pink elephant in the room, and say - "get it outta here". They did NOTHING. NOTHING. NOTHING.


We have no Constitution. We have no one to fend for our lives. Will they even fend for our shores? The constitution is dead.


22 posted on 03/28/2005 10:13:07 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (Warning: may eat own)
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To: Diogenesis
Excellent stuff, great work. I have been telling everyone I can. I even e-mailed Rush but so far I don't hear about much of this in the big media.
23 posted on 03/28/2005 10:43:43 AM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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To: Doctor13

$250 = how many pieces of silver?

24 posted on 03/28/2005 10:46:02 AM PST by Susto
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To: richardtavor

"...Terri was more peaceful looking..."
Maybe that is the reason he does not allow cameras in the room. If he did, even his supporters would hate him ('xept for Ted Kennedy, that is). I wonder how the cops feel?

25 posted on 03/28/2005 10:47:35 AM PST by Mi-kha-el ((There is no Pravda in Izvestiya and no Izvestiya in Pravda.))
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To: Doctor13

Jey Sekulow on radio today said that this is no big deal. Lawyers frequently give campaign donations to judges in their area. Though, IMO, it doesn't sound very ethical.

26 posted on 03/28/2005 10:56:46 AM PST by my_pointy_head_is_sharp
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To: ex 98C MI Dude

right on...that is what scares me the most...I know this is the begining of the end for this nation..and I will tell you why....I think many people like me who have defended this country all the time have given up...I know I would not help the state of florida..the people voted for the judge...the people just sit there and do nothing.
I can hardly wait to watch on tv the next big hurricane hit florida. I pray for a really big one.

27 posted on 03/28/2005 10:59:23 AM PST by Susto
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is confounding that the SCOTUS saw nothing they could act on in this case. Does anyone know what their reasoning was?

28 posted on 03/28/2005 12:25:34 PM PST by mblaise
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To: Rutles4Ever

It is confounding that the SCOTUS saw nothing they could act on in this case. Does anyone know what their reasoning was?

29 posted on 03/28/2005 12:27:11 PM PST by mblaise
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30 posted on 03/28/2005 12:36:01 PM PST by devolve (WWII : James Bond - 007 :
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To: Diogenesis

The thread started out about the lawyer's contribution to the judge's campaign. That is all I was talking about. Go spew your snake venom at someone else!

31 posted on 03/28/2005 7:47:43 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Kryptonite

I gave my opinion about something. What kind of proof do you want that it is my opinion?

32 posted on 03/28/2005 7:50:02 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: Doctor13

Of course. It's an old boys club.

33 posted on 03/28/2005 7:50:41 PM PST by Dan from Michigan ("Mama, take this judgeship off of Greer, he can't use it, anymore")
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To: lolhelp

Just looking for proof that the Schindlers' lawyers gave money to Greer . . . until that's shown, the moral relativism implied in your *opinion* is baseless, as if two wrongs would make a right even if it could be proven.

34 posted on 03/28/2005 8:17:00 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Kryptonite
I guess you just need someone to vent your angry on. You seem to need to twist things in order to do it, but thats allright if it makes you feel better.
35 posted on 03/28/2005 9:27:46 PM PST by lolhelp
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To: lolhelp


To be clear, a judge should avoid not only real conflicts but also any appearances of impropriety. Accepting money from a lawyer who has a pending matter before him has sufficient indicia of impropriety to constitute grounds for a censure from a higher body. Two wrongs do not make it right. In other words, if both Schiavo's attorneys and the Schindlers' attorneys gave Greer money, and he accepted it, it's two counts against Greer and not just one.

Given how Greer is the only judge to make findings in this case, I'd say he's fair game for further investigation.

36 posted on 03/28/2005 10:07:43 PM PST by Kryptonite
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To: Doctor13; All
In Honor of Terri Schiavo

Please let it load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

special thanks to lafroste for generous technical and web assistance.

37 posted on 04/02/2005 7:52:00 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (God rest Terri Schiavo. God save the rest of us.)
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To: the invisib1e hand
In Honor of Terri Schiavo

Please let it load -- it's 11 mb.

Have headphones or sound on.

Hats off to the invisib1e hand for his dedication and hard work.

38 posted on 04/02/2005 8:02:08 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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