Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gonzales Goes Missing
American Spectator ^ | 03/28/05 | The Prowler

Posted on 03/29/2005 3:30:56 PM PST by ninenot

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-93 next last
To: ninenot

Blindly followng any law as an end pursuit is foolish.


41 posted on 03/29/2005 4:15:07 PM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone
They fought to preserve the Rule of Law . . .

The "Rule of Law" does not mean squat when it fails to protect and defend innocent life. Apart from that object "Rule of Law" is "Three Empty Words."

42 posted on 03/29/2005 4:15:24 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: deport

bttt

I was just going to make the same observation.


43 posted on 03/29/2005 4:19:50 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Does my American flag offend you? Dial 1-800-LEAVE THE USA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
And your preaching ain't gonna change my attitude.

I never expected it to. But perhaps some other people are reading this thread who aren't willing to throw it all away over one case in Florida.

44 posted on 03/29/2005 4:19:55 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
Actually, it is not clear at all.

Actually is is clear. Congress has the authority to issue subpoenas and the executive has the authority to compel attendence. There is, so far as I know, no limit on whom Congress can subpeona because there is no authority to prevent their consideration of legislation of any kind they desire.

It is also painfully clear that neither Congress nor the Administration had the backbone to follow through because of political considerations.

Please quit blaming the courts for not reaching beyond the pleading filed by Gibbs.

Oh come on. Courts often go beyond the presented arguments for the reasoning of their decisions. I wouldn't call it routine, but it is certainly not uncommon. If ever there was a case calling for it, this was it. The courts had been directed to perform de novo review of this case WRT Terri's constitutional rights. This court showed no deference to the intent of the law whatsoever. We live in a judicial tyranny - the consent of the governed is dead.

45 posted on 03/29/2005 4:38:54 PM PST by edsheppa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone

The problem with ignoring this as just one case in Florida is with the way our legal system works. Everything is tied to precedent. This case sets a precedent that should be frightening. What if some father decides to use this case to fight to terminate the life of his retarded child?

That said, I will always wonder what would have happened if the family lawyer had filed for the de novo hearing provided for in the Federal law instead of trying to argue the case on grounds that were not covered in that law.


46 posted on 03/29/2005 4:41:16 PM PST by Ingtar (Understanding is a three-edged sword : your side, my side, and the truth in between ." -- Kosh)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 44 | View Replies]

To: ninenot

Frankly, I think he is as bad as some of the most Liberal judges. He will not use law to help Schiavo, but he will not enforce it on immigration matters.


47 posted on 03/29/2005 4:47:01 PM PST by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ninenot

Sounds like AG Gonzales was the only one in the Republican ranks that believed is states' rights.

Kudos Mr. Gonzales!

Too bad you are surrounded by Republican'ts that act like Democrats.


48 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:14 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (John Kerry--three fake Purple Hearts. George Bush--one real heart of gold.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ninenot

He was definitely conspicuous by his absence. Too bad - I had hoped for better things from him.


49 posted on 03/29/2005 4:49:24 PM PST by livius
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dont_Tread_On_Me_888

Then it's a shame that he and so many others conveniently forget about individual rights.


50 posted on 03/29/2005 4:54:44 PM PST by kenth
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone

Heard less than one minute of Sean this afternoon so I cannot cite the context but he was speaking to Jesse Jackson about the Florida legislature and claimed that it was REPUBLICANS at fault for the bill not passing.


51 posted on 03/29/2005 4:56:51 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
The President, (R), could pull a Clinton and send in US Marshalls or the whole damn USMarine Corps.

Yeah, and create a shoot-out between federal forces and local police...brilliant!

The Governor of Florida could send in State Troopers or an activated USARNG unit.

Riiiiight...and turn a nursing home into Dodge City. The Prez & Guv did all they could do short of using armed force. I wanted Terri saved too, but it's the rule of law & not the rule of the gun that's in effect in America.
52 posted on 03/29/2005 4:59:25 PM PST by hispanichoosier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Poohbah
Please quit blaming the courts for not reaching beyond the pleading filed by Gibbs.

And before I forget, to tie this back to the article, why didn't AG Gonzales send a top team to make arguments in the case? I can think of several arguments that no judge could legitimately dismiss as unworthy of scrutiny in a few hours.

Clearly Gonzales didn't want to get involved. It's both fair and right to blast him for it.

53 posted on 03/29/2005 5:00:28 PM PST by edsheppa
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: edsheppa
It is also painfully clear that neither Congress nor the Administration had the backbone to follow through because of political considerations.

What? You mean the possible deaths of federal agents & local law enforcement officers that would have occurred had the Marshalls and/or Nat'l Guard been called in to seize Terri? I wanted Terri saved but not at the price so many on FR seem to want to pay.
54 posted on 03/29/2005 5:02:10 PM PST by hispanichoosier
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: ninenot

Don't you all realize that it is the courts that should be interpreting the law and it's applications. It's checks and balances. It's sad that Congress had to intervene, and Gonzalez was just telling them that Congress interfering isn't very legal. Emotions shouldn't overrun sound principles. Hold the judges and courts responsible for bad decisions, not Congress, or the Governor, or the President, because it isn't their fault or even their problem to deal with. We all hate judges who legislate from the bench, so I think the judges (and AG) have every right to hate legislatures judiciating from the capitol.


55 posted on 03/29/2005 5:06:27 PM PST by polyester~monkey
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ingtar
You always have to worry about legal precedent, but I don't think this case has provided any. Hear me out on this.

None of the courts in this case have legislated new "rights" or laws in this case. There may have been some bad findings of FACT, but the courts didn't grant Michael Schiavo any new rights that I can see. The right to remove the tube was created in the Florida code by Florida legislators.

Admittedly, the right to remove the tube was first found by the Florida Supreme Court, but I don't think it was in the Schiavo case. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I was hardly following this case in the late 1990s. It was after that decision that the Florida lawmakers put it into the Code.

After that point, there hasn't been judicial activism that I can discern. We may not like the decisions in this case, but that doesn't make it rise to a precedent.

56 posted on 03/29/2005 5:06:54 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: OldFriend
Heard less than one minute of Sean this afternoon so I cannot cite the context but he was speaking to Jesse Jackson about the Florida legislature and claimed that it was REPUBLICANS at fault for the bill not passing.

Well, of course. I mean Democrats are jumping all over themselves to help Terri. I mean, we have both Joe Lieberman and Jesse Jackson to name ALL of them.

That's why we should turn against Republicans because they only made special efforts to go as far as they thought they legally could. Why not make them pay?

57 posted on 03/29/2005 5:14:08 PM PST by Dog Gone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 51 | View Replies]

To: ninenot
Already Posted Here: Gonzales (Please check first. Also, you are supposed to use the original title per FR rules)
58 posted on 03/29/2005 5:14:16 PM PST by nickcarraway (I'm Only Alive, Because a Judge Hasn't Ruled I Should Die...)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Dog Gone

Would any of us want to implore our legislators to change the laws taking guardianship away from spouses and giving the right to parents and/or siblings instead?


59 posted on 03/29/2005 5:16:41 PM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: ninenot

...he's probably doing valet' parking for the local La Raza meeting.


60 posted on 03/29/2005 6:23:58 PM PST by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-8081-93 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson