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Republicans have way to protest party's takeover by religious right
Omaha World Herald/Omaha.com ^ | 3-27-05 | Harold Andersen

Posted on 03/30/2005 8:45:00 AM PST by stan_sipple

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To: VaBarrister

A RINO crying about separation of powers? Arent Justices Kennedy and O Connor the Libs' new favorite RINOs?


41 posted on 03/30/2005 9:18:27 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: advance_copy
" Yes, good bye"

LOL

42 posted on 03/30/2005 9:19:29 AM PST by jpsb
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To: stan_sipple

43 posted on 03/30/2005 9:19:42 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: stan_sipple
...the (relatively silent) majority of Americans feel(s) that the most compassionate treatment for Terri Schiavo - as well as the proper legal course of action - is to let her vegetative existence end, as advocated by her legal guardian, her husband.

According to whom?

44 posted on 03/30/2005 9:19:48 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: SandyInSeattle

When I hear "afterlife" I think pharoah and seances and new age crap. TERRI has a chance to go to heaven.

She believes in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of Heaven and Earth. And in Jesus Christ His Only Son Our Lord. Who was Conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, Suffered under Pontius Pilate, was Crucified Died and was Buried. He descended into Hell. On the third day He rose again from the dead; He Ascended into Heaven where He sitteth at the Right Hand of the Father. He will come in Glory to Judge the Quick and the Dead.

She (and I) believe(s) in the Holy Spirit, the Holy Catholic Church, the Communion of Saints, the Forgiveness of Sins, the Resurrection of the body, and the Life Everlasting. Amen.


45 posted on 03/30/2005 9:21:34 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: stan_sipple

I think that if there is anything that this country needs it is consistency in complaining about separation of powers. Too many liberals use the argument for their own benefit and too many conservatives dispatch with it when it doesn't suit their goals. Separation of powers is absolute and nobody should be looked down upon for invoking it. They should then, however, be prevented from arguing in the opposite direction at a later date.


46 posted on 03/30/2005 9:22:01 AM PST by VaBarrister
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To: Doc Savage

Right. Violence is the answer. I'm sorry, but I'm sure getting tired of this kind of post...


47 posted on 03/30/2005 9:22:25 AM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: tkathy

Irrelevant. It is a greater sin.


48 posted on 03/30/2005 9:23:02 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: jpsb
Cheers!

BTW ... it's starve, I believe, and I made it chattles instead of chattels because of my esteem for you.



49 posted on 03/30/2005 9:23:16 AM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset that I ignore you please feel free to contact the management)
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To: stan_sipple
While I don't think I would consider myself a RINO, I do have some different opinions than many of my religious friends in the GOP concerning the Terri Schiavo issue.

However, what this writer utterly fails to undertstand is that while I may have a disagreement with them, I completely understand and respect why they have their point of view.

There is no reason for me to leave the party when we have a difference of opinion, especially when it's possible that my opinion may be wrong.

But I guess Democrats don't understand that way of thinking: they don't tolerate disagreement or discussion.

50 posted on 03/30/2005 9:23:35 AM PST by Repealthe17thAmendment (Is this field required?)
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To: stan_sipple
Religious nut jobs do not seem to understand that once you save the unborn and help prolong the lives of the almost dead, there is the business of taking care of the living. You can jawbone all you want about charity and faith based giving, but these social networks were not enough during the thirties and they are not working now.

NO! If you are that concerned for the living, you must dig into your pockets, well past the point that leaves you comfortable and either donate much more, or pay the taxes that fund the head starts, the childhood nutrition programs, assistance for unwed mothers, reduce class size and all sorts of other horrible and hideous socialistic type activities.

Still interested in the living?

Didn't think so. Go pray over it!

Remove Bush's feeding tube.


BUMP

51 posted on 03/30/2005 9:24:28 AM PST by tm22721
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To: mewzilla
"According to whom?"

I could say, however that would entail breaking my vow of silence.



52 posted on 03/30/2005 9:25:18 AM PST by G.Mason (If you get upset that I ignore you please feel free to contact the management)
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To: redgolum

"This whole Terri Schivio case maybe the breaking point. The religious people are getting fed up, and the power structure is just praying that she dies soon so they can go back to normal."

It is the breaking point.
First, the Bush boys both came up spineless. No matter how many times they say they "have done all they can do", and "are powerless", and no matter how many times their supporters echo that, it is false. It's a lie, and the religious pro-lifers know it is a lie. They could intervene, they CHOOSE not to.
Likewise, it was the REPUBLICANS in the Florida Senate who failed to pass the last state bill.
And REPUBLICAN judges have signed up for Terri's death on the reviews they have given.

But it won't be Terri's death that really does the Republicans in. The Bushes will be blamed, rightly, forever, and they will be diminished in the eyes of the pro-life right.
The bigger political story is that the Republican Party in the Senate is using this as an opportunity to back away from the Constitutional Option to override the filibuster and install conservative strict-constructionalist judges.

THAT will be the betrayal, if it comes to pass, that will split the party. Millions of pro-lifers will stop contributing, stop manning the phone banks and GOTV efforts, and they will stay home, heartbroken and unrepresented. Maybe an explicitly Christian Pro-life party will be founded. More probably, the demoralized Christians will drop out of politics and turn more fully to God and the other world.

And the result of that in the material world will be a new Democratic majority. Because without the pro-life Christians, the Republicans are the minority party in America.

Mostly, the shift to Democratic dominance will hurt secular Republicans. Christian pro-life Republicans are mostly poorer, don't have much in the way of capital gains or dividends, and are in the lower tax brackets. They benefit least from the Republican tax agenda, and would be hurt the least by Democratic tax-and-spend redistribution.
At any rate, they won't CARE. They organized and voted for the GOP because THEY believe life is sacred, and they believed that the GOP was the party trying to protect life.

In the Schiavo case, the Republicans in all three branches of government, at the Federal and State level, failed completely to stand up to the culture of death when the crunch came. They talked a good game, but bailed.

If they bail on the nuclear option, the Republican majority is finished. Absolutely nothing can keep millions of Christians in the party any more if that happens. And those millions of Christians are the margin of victory.

Of course, after a few years in the wilderness, the Christians might well form a Christian Life party whose central policy agenda is pro-life, and who cooperate with either the Democrats or Republicans on anything else, including caucusing in a Congress split three ways without a majority. Having a Christian pro-life party that was focused on the issue and only willing to enter into coalition if its views on life were respected would keep its allied major party honest.

But that might never happen, because Christians are not prone to be political. They BECAME political over abortion and life issues, and for 30 years SEEMED to be building something in the Republican Party. In one week, the Republican party completely failed them.
If the Republicans don't pass that Nuclear Option, the divorce will be complete and their star will fall.


53 posted on 03/30/2005 9:25:39 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: VaBarrister
"Don't forget that the constitution says its a matter for the state and not the federal government."

Hmmm. I guess someone erased the 14th Amendment while I was sleeping, eh?

54 posted on 03/30/2005 9:26:13 AM PST by Washington_minuteman (Visiting Constitutionalist)
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To: stan_sipple

Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release Terri from a vegetative existence in the belief you are sending her on to a better life after death?



Wouldn't the more compassionate course be to release EVERY RINO from a vegetative existence?


55 posted on 03/30/2005 9:26:24 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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To: VaBarrister

You might argue that the Federal "Terri's Law" violated federalism principles, but not separation of powers, since the "Right Wing" Congressmen still turned over Terri's fate to the federal judiciary that despite years of the Federalist society efforts still has a mostly pointy-headed liberal Harvard mentality


56 posted on 03/30/2005 9:27:01 AM PST by stan_sipple
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Oh yes, it would be more than easy for the legislative and executive branch to get together and slash and eliminate salaries for judges. Course they would probably then rule that they can't do that because it tinkers with the independence of the jud. So I think elimination is better than slashing. Yes, they can definitely dissolve courts and no one can say a damn thing about it. But try getting them to!


57 posted on 03/30/2005 9:27:16 AM PST by johnb838 (Thy Will, Not Mine, Be Done; No abortion, no euthanazia. NEVER!)
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To: johnb838
When I hear "afterlife" I think pharoah and seances and new age crap. TERRI has a chance to go to heaven.

Good point. Why won't they say the word "heaven"?

58 posted on 03/30/2005 9:27:54 AM PST by Not A Snowbird (Official RKBA Landscaper and Arborist, Pajama Duchess of Green Leafy Things)
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To: stan_sipple

Excuse me but why would anyone listen to someone associated with the party of DEATH?
You can always tell who they are by the big "L" on their forehead. Amen.


59 posted on 03/30/2005 9:28:04 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: stan_sipple
legislative intrusion into the judicial system

YOWZA!

60 posted on 03/30/2005 9:28:06 AM PST by ModernDayCato (The Bush Brothers -- standing for LIFE)
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