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Gates Sr. Joins Push for Death Tax
newsmax.com ^ | March 30, 2005 1:31 p.m. EST | newsmax.com

Posted on 03/30/2005 11:04:15 AM PST by paltz

Taxing the estates of wealthy Washingtonians to provide essential services to the state "is a very sensible, very socially responsible thing to do," William H. Gates Sr. said yesterday.

Gates, the father of Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates and co-chairman of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation, was joined by Democratic lawmakers and others who support restoring Washington's estate tax, which was overturned last month by the state Supreme Court.

"This is not a tax on wealthy people. It's a tax on the grateful heirs of wealthy people," he said. "It's a tax on what's left after having lived ... a comfortable life."

Gates expressed support for Gov. Christine Gregoire's proposal to tax estates worth at least $2 million, something she says would raise $129.4 million over the next two years.

He said the higher exemption helps those of more modest wealth.

"There's an awful lot of people who have a net worth of a million dollars, given the increase in value in one's home," Gates said. "If I were a member of our Legislature I would be a fan of the $2 million exemption, but there's certainly a legitimate argument that it should be lower."

Before the Supreme Court ruling, the state tax threshold for estates had been on an increasing scale. In 2003, the threshold was $700,000; it grew to $950,000 by this year.

The court ruling ending the tax creates a potential revenue loss of $430 million over the next two years for the state, including a retroactive refund that could be as high as $150 million. That caused concern for lawmakers, who are facing a $1.6 billion spending gap in the upcoming budget cycle.

The majority Senate Democrats' budget, released Monday, proposes a slightly larger estate tax than Gregoire's plan, at first taxing estates of more than $1.5 million and then moving to her level of more than $2 million, providing $135 million over two years. The majority House Democrats are to release their budget proposal next week.

The estate tax would help pay for Initiative 728, which gives school-districts grants to reduce class sizes.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: billgates; deathtax; gregoire; limousineliberal; mafiaqueen; millionaires; taxes; themostcorruptstate
Yeah... Sure, Bill, Everyone has tax shelters and foundations to hide their dough in like you....typical limousine liberal
1 posted on 03/30/2005 11:04:15 AM PST by paltz
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To: paltz
I think he is trying to curry favor with he guys who want his company broken up and want to hit him with anti-trust law suits
2 posted on 03/30/2005 11:07:35 AM PST by Holicheese (This is Hockey East)
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To: paltz

I wonder how Gates defines wealthy? I am sure his definition would include family farmers, and small business owners. Plus, taxes have already been paid on this money.


3 posted on 03/30/2005 11:08:19 AM PST by Sthitch
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To: paltz
Your income is taxed before you ever get to use it.
If you take your after-tax money, invest it, and make more money your taxed again.
If you gift more than a certain amount to friends and realtives it is again taxed.
And when you die it is considered a tax field day.
4 posted on 03/30/2005 11:08:29 AM PST by Semper Paratus (-)
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To: paltz
""This is not a tax on wealthy people. It's a tax on the grateful heirs of wealthy people," he said."

What an idiot:
Was Bill Jr. adopted?

5 posted on 03/30/2005 11:09:15 AM PST by Redbob
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To: Holicheese
I think he is trying to curry favor with he guys who want his company broken up....

I think you are quite perceptive. Gates didn't make political donations until the government went after Microsoft. They taught him a lesson.

6 posted on 03/30/2005 11:09:43 AM PST by Bahbah (Something wicked this way comes)
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To: paltz

The same people who bitch that family farms and large private tracts of land get sold to developers are the ones who like the death tax. They are just too dumb to realize that the family farms are sold so the heirs could pay the death tax.

Eliminating the death tax will help reduce sprawl.

Liberals are not so good at math.


7 posted on 03/30/2005 11:09:53 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance
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To: paltz

OH to be wealthy and STUPID


8 posted on 03/30/2005 11:10:38 AM PST by JackDanielsOldNo7 (Jack Daniels is so good you can feel a straight shot all the way to your toes.)
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To: Holicheese; paltz

It clearly states that that it is Bill Gates father not Bill Gate (Jr.)


9 posted on 03/30/2005 11:11:01 AM PST by Durus
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To: Semper Paratus

Hard to believe there was ever a tea party in Boston, eh? God, I hope I'm alive to join the next one.


10 posted on 03/30/2005 11:11:34 AM PST by demkicker (John McCain is a power hungry traitor and proved it on 2/19/05 in Iraq)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

I think Andrew Carnegie and Benjamin Franklin prevented their fortunes from being squandered by the Nanny State.


11 posted on 03/30/2005 11:12:04 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: paltz

Hey Bill, why not just hand $1 Billion over to the state instead of calling for a tax on everyone else? If taxes are so good, you should be volunteering tons of your own money to the government.


12 posted on 03/30/2005 11:13:44 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Liberals are not so good at math.
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Actually they are very good at LIBERAL MATH. Which basically says--- MORE TAXATION EQUALS MORE MONEY IN OUR POCKETS TO SPEND. And liberals have NO PROBLEM spending OTHER PEOPLE'S MONEY IN HUGE AMOUNTS WHILE TAXING TO SUPPORT SAME. A tax by any other name -- and this is, of course, right out of the Communist Manifesto - Marx did not want anyone leaving any wealth to heirs in his "great society" -- money represents power within the people, and Marxism does not allow that -- tax, tax, tax -- the lifeblood of our GREAT SOCIALISTS...


13 posted on 03/30/2005 11:14:11 AM PST by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: Durus

Jr. is a big liberal, too.


14 posted on 03/30/2005 11:15:07 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: paltz

I would be happy to agree with this IF and ONLY IF ALL of the foolish tax-free "foundations" and other shelters were no longer.


15 posted on 03/30/2005 11:15:18 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: paltz
Funny how the article fails to mention that Gates Sr. is a tax attorney.

More taxes means more people looking to avoid paying those taxes which means more people needing tax attorneys like Gates Sr.

I guess the reporter-stooge thought this conflict was inconsequential.

16 posted on 03/30/2005 11:15:36 AM PST by writmeister
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To: Antoninus

Bill Gates fortune is in MicroSoft stock. It is illegal for the government to own stock. In order to turn it liquid the government would have to immediatly sell it causing all other outstanding shares to be depreciated. This would cause 401ks to be devastated by panic selling. This would be a government cause "run on the bank".


17 posted on 03/30/2005 11:16:22 AM PST by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Durus

who knew that there was still a Gates Sr. alive. Is there a bill gates the third?


18 posted on 03/30/2005 11:16:31 AM PST by Holicheese (This is Hockey East)
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To: paltz
"It's a tax on the grateful heirs of wealthy people..."

I am not sure how GRATEFUL they are going to be to you...

19 posted on 03/30/2005 11:17:03 AM PST by Mr. K ("All your base are belong to us" (gosh I miss that))
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To: paltz
"There's an awful lot of people who have a net worth of a million dollars, given the increase in value in one's home,"

So he wants to kick families out of their homes when a loved one dies? "Sell the house to pay the inheritance tax on it!"

What a scumbag. He'll never lose HIS house.

20 posted on 03/30/2005 11:17:18 AM PST by Rytwyng (we're here, we're Huguenots, get used to us...)
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To: Fierce Allegiance; Dog Gone; Grampa Dave; Southack; Ernest_at_the_Beach; dalereed; tubebender; ...
"Eliminating the death tax will help reduce sprawl."

Wow! That's good bumpersticker material!!! Work on shortening if you can...

21 posted on 03/30/2005 11:21:00 AM PST by SierraWasp (GovernMental EnvironMental Parasitic Pissants perpetually tormenting America Progress!!!)
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To: paltz
"It's a tax on what's left after having lived ... a comfortable life."

Yeah, sure. And it's also a great way for the income redistributionists who, unsatisfied with the fact that they already taxed it as income, want to re-tax what remains and further reduce how much of it the real owners get to keep.

Of course, this is necessary and proper, since the deceased person would have normally have been expected to spend their earnings, thus allowing the government to further pillage the money through sales tax.

Figure it out. Ya take a dollar in income, and reduce it by oh, say 30 cents for state, local, federal and FICA. That leaves you with 70 cents, which is only 65 cents worth of spending money, after you figure in a 7% sales tax.

The person you who receives your 65 cents, is then taxed at 30% as income, leaving him 45 cents or so, which means he's only really got 42 cents to spend.

Within about four transactions, the government takes it all.

Somebody tell me, does Bill Gates have any offspring to pass his fortune on to? It's easy to be socially responsible if you have billions to give away and nobody to give it to.

22 posted on 03/30/2005 11:21:13 AM PST by Kenton ("Life is tough, and it's really tough when you're stupid" - Damon Runyon)
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To: paltz

If people really understood the level of taxation that currently exists in this country, we would be looking at a second Revolution.


23 posted on 03/30/2005 11:21:49 AM PST by reagan_fanatic ("Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence" - R. Kirk)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
Your point may have been valid at one time, but not anymore. Family farms are exempted from estate taxes as long as they are kept as farms and run by the heirs of the preceding farmer.

Farms aren't sold off to pay the "death tax" anymore. They're sold off because the farmer's kids don't want to run the farm the way their parents did.

25 posted on 03/30/2005 11:28:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: paltz

Bill Gates Sr. is a financial planner or attorney who specializes in developing financial plans for wealthy people to take advantage of loopholes in the estate tax law. Without a hefty estate tax in place, he's not going to be getting a lot of business.


26 posted on 03/30/2005 11:31:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Alberta's Child

Point taken. Notice I also included something about large tracts of privately held land? Family business also fall prey to death taxes which inevitably get eaten up by "evil" corporations.

They way I see it, the death tax is just plain evil. It is another tax on money already taxed, further stealing from those that worked hard to earn what they have earned.

I stand to inherit a substantial sum and of course want that sum as large as possible. How does the government deaerva any portion of that?


27 posted on 03/30/2005 11:34:32 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance
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To: paltz

Okay, okay, enough with the crying already. Your parents are dead, we all feel sorry for you. Now cough up the dough, or me and the boys are going have to get rough with you!


28 posted on 03/30/2005 11:34:43 AM PST by TheDon (The Democratic Party is the party of TREASON)
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To: reagan_fanatic
If people really understood the level of taxation that currently exists in this country, we would be looking at a second Revolution.

And a WELL deserved one. Sign me up.

29 posted on 03/30/2005 11:37:17 AM PST by Skooz (Host organism for the State parasite)
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To: Fierce Allegiance

Here's a great story for you. I don't know if you're an NFL fan, but the estate tax was actually the underlying motivation behind the relocation of the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore back in the 1990s. Owner Art Modell was getting on in years, and the value of the Browns franchise had grown so dramatically that his heirs would have been forced to sell it just to pay the estate tax on it when he died. The city of Baltimore provided some kind of sweetheart deal for a new stadium that guaranteed sufficient cash up front for the estate tax to be paid at any point in the future.


30 posted on 03/30/2005 11:39:18 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I ain't got a dime, but what I got is mine. I ain't rich, but lord I'm free.)
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To: Fierce Allegiance
I stand to inherit a substantial sum and of course want that sum as large as possible. How does the government deaerva any portion of that?

The government doesn't deserve one thin dime of it. But, they'll take it anyway.

31 posted on 03/30/2005 11:39:48 AM PST by Skooz (Host organism for the State parasite)
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To: paltz

Of course. Estate planners hate the very idea of removing or lessening the tax on families. It takes away their business.


32 posted on 03/30/2005 11:40:56 AM PST by OldFriend ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child might have peace." Thomas Paine)
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To: Skooz
If people really understood the level of taxation that currently exists in this country, we would be looking at a second Revolution.

There is one reason and one reason alone for the publics ignorance on how much tax they pay.

WITHHOLDING!

Withholding was instituted in WWII to assure the government a constrant stream of money to pay for the war. I can not and would not object to such a measure. It was also supposed to be ended when the war ended. It was, but was again reinstated.

If withholding was ended and people had to WRITE A CHECK for the taxes they owe every quarter there would be a swift mobilization for a tax revolt.

And to do your own research on peoples ignorance of how much they pay in taxes, start asking family, friends, co-workers etc... if they have done their taxes yet. If they have, ask them how much they had to pay in taxes.

Virtually NONE will know, and then the vast majority of those remaining will say "I got money back!"

33 posted on 03/30/2005 11:46:38 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Alberta's Child

Also, the Miami Dolphins had to be sold to pay the estate tax.


34 posted on 03/30/2005 11:47:21 AM PST by Phantom Lord (Advantages are taken, not handed out)
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To: Alberta's Child

I like being a FReeper. I don't think I would have learned that anywhere else!


35 posted on 03/30/2005 11:48:18 AM PST by Fierce Allegiance
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To: Semper Paratus

Well put!! I have always thought that death taxes were a scandal. Just think about it -- you get taxed (at a high rate, I might add) for DYING!!!! As if being taxed while being alive isn't enough!! No wonder the dem/lib/socialists/communists want euthanasia -- more tax money to spend -- fewer people to spend it on.


36 posted on 03/30/2005 11:52:20 AM PST by Polyxene (For where God built a church, there the Devil would also build a chapel - Martin Luther)
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To: Antoninus
Hey Bill, why not just hand $1 Billion over to the state instead of calling for a tax on everyone else? If taxes are so good, you should be volunteering tons of your own money to the government.

Both Gates' are dye in the wool socialists. They are hypocrites about taxes. I despise their arrogance. The Sr. Gates has no problem with the most immoral of taxes, the death tax. Has someone asked him about the families destroyed by this tax? Sr. Gates is the worse kind of elitist -- rich and liberal.

37 posted on 03/30/2005 11:54:12 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: paltz
Apparently the Gates, along with the Fords, Carnegies, Rockefellers, Kennedys; Rothschilds, and many many more filthy rich families have set up for themselves a family Foundation.

Such Foundations allow Gates et al to be pretty much exempt from or able to elude death taxes which they would have imposed on others not rich enough to establish such a scam. Meanwhile the great unwashed can go out and just try to make a few bucks for their offspring and there is the government ready to take it away upon their demise. It is blatant hypocrisy.
38 posted on 03/30/2005 11:55:28 AM PST by Radix (I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.)
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To: Phantom Lord
There is one reason and one reason alone for the publics ignorance on how much tax they pay. WITHHOLDING!

exactly, as Rush has reminded us so often. The sad thing is BOTH parties will never touch changing withholding so that people pay the taxes themselves. Oh, what a eye opener to most it would be if they cut the checks each week to uncle Sam ($$$ waster)

39 posted on 03/30/2005 11:56:46 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: paltz

"Bounced Out of The Buckboard on The Way Home From The Hospital" Alert


40 posted on 03/30/2005 12:02:38 PM PST by muleskinner
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To: paltz
Bill's kid will earn every dime he gets.

And Windows is bug free.

41 posted on 03/30/2005 12:04:41 PM PST by DManA
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To: paltz

"The court ruling ending the tax creates a potential revenue loss of $430 million over the next two years for the state, including a retroactive refund that could be as high as $150 million. That caused concern for lawmakers, who are facing a $1.6 billion spending gap in the upcoming budget cycle."

First, they are not revenue losses as they are not entitled to unearned income, taken by the barrell of a gun. Second, if you have a spending gap, well, reduce spending.

Ooops, I forgot, I should just be glad the government lets me have any of my earnings!


42 posted on 03/30/2005 12:12:47 PM PST by CSM
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To: ancient_geezer

Tax reform ping!


43 posted on 03/30/2005 12:19:24 PM PST by CSM
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To: paltz
"It's a tax on what's left

That pretty much sums it up.

"My advice for those who die ... declare the pennies on your eyes ..."

44 posted on 03/30/2005 12:21:13 PM PST by plain talk
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To: paltz

People at that level don't have an estate. It is easy for the super rich to tell everyone else to be taxed.


45 posted on 03/30/2005 12:30:11 PM PST by mlmr (The Culture of Death will get a lot more deadly before it's done.)
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To: paltz

I got mine. screw you.


46 posted on 03/30/2005 12:31:30 PM PST by Beckwith (I knew Churchill, and Ward Churchill is no Churchill . . . he ain't no Indian either . . .)
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To: JackDanielsOldNo7

Hey,theres nothing to stop Gates from willing a "fair"percentage of his wealth to the government coffers.
Yet he should let the rest of us KEEP that money in the family.


47 posted on 03/30/2005 12:40:45 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: paltz
A family farm passed down through generations is not the same thing as a wierdo with Asperger syndrome learning how to exploit the "intellectual property" laws to own the world through his lawyers, Mr. Gates.
48 posted on 03/30/2005 3:34:59 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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