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Mark,

In a thread with Paratrooper_501 statement l have pointed towards weak points and inconsistencies in the story showing that it is a well crafted FABRICATION:

I have asked Paratrooper to explain glaring inconsistencies but he fled and evaded to answer the questions.

The most obvious is his claim that he saw no armed KLA on site. Yet, I have posted a photo of KLA terrorist in Walker's entourage.

This detail alone discredits Paratrooper_501 as an eyewitness.

But this is not the only flaw in his story.

I have pointed to more interesting details in #332.

Here it is, to save you a mouseclick:

>>>>>>DTA, what the evidence is consistent on--whether it be from villagers or observers, and as corroborated by the forensic study when applicable--is that Serb forces arrived at the village that morning, killed some villagers there, rounded up male survivors & took them that afternoon up the ravine where they were murdered by the Serbs.>>>>>

No the evidence is not consistent. You forgot that we have the eyewitness testimony Paratrooper_501 submitted to ICTY. I take this to be accurate for the purpose of having one firm point in the liquid story. And You trust him.

Paratrooper_501 wrote:

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. I spoke to NAME DELETED [the same one I had spoke to the night before] a UCK military policeman. (The UCK have military policemen who also fight but are utilized to enforce certain orders or laws of the UCK. They are used to guard premises occupied by the UCK high command and othe sentry duties. They wear armbands with the initials PU on them which is Albanian equivalent of MP. They also dress completely in black uniforms and wear black berets.) NAME DELETED told me that thee had been no civilians hurt in Petrova as he had rounded them up the day before and sent them to a safer place. He told me that he had heard through another source that the police had taken a group of people into the mountains near Racak and slit their throats. Apparently a boy had seen that and got away. I asked if he knew about a group of men being shot. He said he did not know that.

About 20 minutes later, Femi returned. At that point he did not know any more than the night before. A short time later, a UCK policeman came in with a list of manes of civilians who had been killed. At that time there was about 20 names. Another soldier came in and gave Femi another piece of paper with additional civilian casualties, about 15 names. Femi appeared distraught at the sight of the names he received.

I will pause here:

For numerically challenged this means that around 35 names (20 + 15) were provided by KLA MP (UCK PU) BEFORE information about people killed in a gully CAME IN. When 23 (number of dead in a gully) is added to known number of 35 we get 58 dead civilians according to KLA. This is around 13 more than official ICTY toll.

Paratrooper_501 continues:

"...Reports came in at that stage that there had been some sort of mass killing at Racak.Between 0800-0830 I told Femi that it was important that we go and check Racak to ascertain what happened."

To recapitulate:

KLA knew 'from other source' that group of people was killed with their throats slit because it was reported by an eyewitness. yet, they did not go to investigate.

KLA provided the names of 35 dead civilians BEFORE the infopmation of massacre came from Racak around 800. When the number of 23 people killed is added, it makes 58 people.

There was a false eye witness who witnessed people being killed and their throats slit. We know that this was not true. Something is not matching, and this is key detail. Source here are UCK Police and KDOM.

Vilagers were in a gully at 4AM, and were advised by 'someone' not to move corpses. Yet the corpses were moved.

Then, we have a two opposing accounts from the same eyewitness who escape the killing (Remi Shabani). In one account, Shabani claims that he had heard police walke-talkie conversation between police marching them to execution and police waiting to execute them. According to him, there were 29 people. Shabani run in hale of bullets, one bullet hitting his belt. In another account, by his mother, Shabani has SEEN the police and escaped before they started shooting. Shabani was 34. His father also escaped. We do not know what happened with 4 more people (29 minus Rami Shabani minus his father - 23 killed = 4)

These are not insignifficant details.

First of all, Serbs did not have a motive to kill civilians, KLA had. Serbs were watched 24/7 since October 1998 Activation order. CUI BONO seems to be forgotten in Racak case.

Yet, Serbs seemingly acted like madmen, KLA did not go to investigate slit throats killing, families did not go to investigate if there are survivors of 3PM shooting but chatted with OSCE observers instead, OSCE did not hear walkie talkie converstion of 29 people going to be killed and so on.

We also know that fierce battle between POlice and KLA erupted when police came to take the bodies from Racak for post mortem investigation. My memory is weak at this point, but if I remember correctly, 17 Serbian police were killed. it seems that KLA was very interested to PREVENT post mortem, as well as CSI RECONSTRUCTION a year later.

In other words, the conclusion is drawn from "Serb police was in the village, they did it."

We also know that OSCE wanted to sack Walker as nuisance in March becasuse of all these discrepancies. But the bombing started anyway and thousands were killed as a consequence.

When KLA officials were warned that NATO air strikes against Yugoslavia would trigger retaliatory violence by Serb forces in Kosovo, the Chicago Tribune reported one KLA leader as saying: "We don’t care. 400,000 Kosovars can be sacrificed for our independence."

Perhaps Serbian police killed the men in a gully. Perhaps. But guilt is not proven BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT.

332 posted on 11/19/2004 4:21:01 PM EST by DTA (proud pajamista)

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To: ehoxha; mking2; eniapmot; Gael; oilfieldtrash; Balto_Boy

RACAK story continues on FR

Racak reports written by the proponents of NATO aggression are even more important. The beauty is that those people can not be accused of being Serb apologists like decent people can -their track record of being rabidly anti-Serb is impeccable.

Here is for example what Alex J. Bellamy from School of Political Science and International Studies , The University of Queensland, Australia wrote in "The Kosovo Verification Mission". He used OSCE, HRW and other skunk sources to conclude:

"However, at 3 p.m. villagers heard shots coming from the direction where the bodies were later found. [i.e. gully - comment DTA]

The men shot in the gully were "taken away by blue-uniformed MUP officers."

At about 4 a.m. villagers discovered the bodies of 45 people scattered on a hillside, 25 together in a small gorge

The KVM's spokesman, Berend Borchardt was amongst this first inspection team [i.e. January 16 -DTA comment]

William Walker arrived at Racak at around midday

Compare this with an IWPR article published February 1, 1999 two weeks after alleged massacre .Gordana Igric claims that :

[E.B., a 40-year-old woman said that] Her 12-year-old son Halim was killed next to her, as they ran together through a courtyard towards a nearby forest

[Speaking of Serbian police, witness E.B. said] : “There were over 40 of them, in blue police uniforms” They fired as soon as we got out of the hideout into the courtyard.

Twenty-three bodies were found early the next morning on the slope of the hill Kodrie Bebushit , outside the village. They had bullet wounds shot through, and traces of torture.

"They [i.e. police- comment DTA] took all of us out into the courtyard and separated us children. They took long wooden planks prepared for making a fire and began to beat the men, who screamed. ”

"But the next morning , the bodies were found on the hill, the body of my father, and the bodies of Sadik, and Jashar and Raif, and Shukrija and Sali and Fatmir and Nexhat.”

During the night the locals who survived got out of hideouts that the police had not reached and began to search for the wounded and the dead with torch-lights. “It was four o’clock in the morning when we came across the body of Bajrushi, Nusret's son,” a visibly distressed 50-year-old S.A. recalls. “Then, one after another, there lay all my relatives. I wanted to cover the dead in accordance with our custom, but someone decided that we should not touch anything until the verifiers have arrived. So we did not touch. We only stood there next to them, waiting for the morning.”

Bloopers and bad directing shows throughout the modified script:

Villagers have heard shots in the gully at 3PM yet it took them 12 hours after police departure to find the bodies (at 4 AM)

The number of the corpses found in the gully is 23, 24 and 25. It seems that different copies of the script were in circullation.

Prior to execution alleged victims were beaten with a heavy object (blunt force injury) and tortured, yet post mortem did not find blunt force injuries. In another IWPR article, Igric quotes a witness who claim that victims were beaten over face and bled. Hovever, there is no traces of bleeding from beating on the garments of the dead found in the gully.

It gets even more interesting - there is allegedly an eyewitness account of execution in the gully

"For six hours, Rame Shabani lay motionless, his face pressed to the dirt, while Serb police and army units shot and mutilated 25 men on a hillside above the Albanian village of Racak. He escaped by throwing himself into a ravine when they opened fire.'...'I heard their screams as they were being massacred. They were begging for their lives,'' Shabani said, sitting cross-legged on the floor of a spartan room decorated only with a photograph of the victims' coffins blanketed with Albanian flags. When they were finished they sang a nationalist song: ``Who is saying, who is lying Serbia is small? Serbia is not small. Serbia is not small.''

Yet, Rame Shabani did not come to alert search party who were searching for the dead with torchlights.

311 posted on 11/18/2004 1:04:34 PM EST by DTA (proud pajamista)

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RACAK story continues on FR

Racak reports written by the proponents of NATO aggression are even more important. The beauty is that those people can not be accused of being Serb apologists like decent people can -their track record of being rabidly anti-Serb is impeccable.

Here is for example what Alex J. Bellamy from School of Political Science and International Studies , The University of Queensland, Australia wrote in "The Kosovo Verification Mission". He used OSCE, HRW and other skunk sources to conclude:

"However, at 3 p.m. villagers heard shots coming from the direction where the bodies were later found. [i.e. gully - comment DTA]

The men shot in the gully were "taken away by blue-uniformed MUP officers."

At about 4 a.m. villagers discovered the bodies of 45 people scattered on a hillside, 25 together in a small gorge

The KVM's spokesman, Berend Borchardt was amongst this first inspection team [i.e. January 16 -DTA comment]

William Walker arrived at Racak at around midday

Compare this with an IWPR article published February 1, 1999 two weeks after alleged massacre .Gordana Igric claims that :

[E.B., a 40-year-old woman said that] Her 12-year-old son Halim was killed next to her, as they ran together through a courtyard towards a nearby forest

[Speaking of Serbian police, witness E.B. said] : “There were over 40 of them, in blue police uniforms” They fired as soon as we got out of the hideout into the courtyard.

Twenty-three bodies were found early the next morning on the slope of the hill Kodrie Bebushit , outside the village. They had bullet wounds shot through, and traces of torture.

"They [i.e. police- comment DTA] took all of us out into the courtyard and separated us children. They took long wooden planks prepared for making a fire and began to beat the men, who screamed. ”

"But the next morning , the bodies were found on the hill, the body of my father, and the bodies of Sadik, and Jashar and Raif, and Shukrija and Sali and Fatmir and Nexhat.”

During the night the locals who survived got out of hideouts that the police had not reached and began to search for the wounded and the dead with torch-lights. “It was four o’clock in the morning when we came across the body of Bajrushi, Nusret's son,” a visibly distressed 50-year-old S.A. recalls. “Then, one after another, there lay all my relatives. I wanted to cover the dead in accordance with our custom, but someone decided that we should not touch anything until the verifiers have arrived. So we did not touch. We only stood there next to them, waiting for the morning.”

Bloopers and bad directing shows throughout the modified script:

Villagers have heard shots in the gully at 3PM yet it took them 12 hours after police departure to find the bodies (at 4 AM)

The number of the corpses found in the gully is 23, 24 and 25. It seems that different copies of the script were in circullation.

Prior to execution alleged victims were beaten with a heavy object (blunt force injury) and tortured, yet post mortem did not find blunt force injuries. In another IWPR article, Igric quotes a witness who claim that victims were beaten over face and bled. Hovever, there is no traces of bleeding from beating on the garments of the dead found in the gully.

It gets even more interesting - there is allegedly an eyewitness account of execution in the gully

"For six hours, Rame Shabani lay motionless, his face pressed to the dirt, while Serb police and army units shot and mutilated 25 men on a hillside above the Albanian village of Racak. He escaped by throwing himself into a ravine when they opened fire.'...'I heard their screams as they were being massacred. They were begging for their lives,'' Shabani said, sitting cross-legged on the floor of a spartan room decorated only with a photograph of the victims' coffins blanketed with Albanian flags. When they were finished they sang a nationalist song: ``Who is saying, who is lying Serbia is small? Serbia is not small. Serbia is not small.''

Yet, Rame Shabani did not come to alert search party who were searching for the dead with torchlights.

[mark502inf]

He told me that he had heard through another source that the police had taken a group of people into the mountains near Racak and slit their throats. Apparently a boy had seen that and got away. I asked if he knew about a group of men being shot. He said he did not know that.

DTA, because first thing in the morning after the massacre that someone "had heard through another source" that "Apparently a boy had seen" people with their throats slit is normal confusion in a first report based on third-hand information and is irrelevant anyway since nobody is accused of slitting anyone's throat.

The fact that the KLA leader knew nothing about a group of men being shot actually supports that the massacre was not staged. If it was, that KLA leader would have certainly used his opportunity to tell the KDOM observer all about the massacred men in the gully.

[mark502inf]

around 35 names (20 + 15) were provided by KLA MP (UCK PU) BEFORE information about people killed in a gully CAME IN. When 23 (number of dead in a gully) is added to known number of 35 we get 58 dead civilians according to KLA. This is around 13 more than official ICTY toll.

You are assuming no overlap between the lists. Further, the bodies in the gully were discovered about 0400 and this incident occurred several hours later--the lists may have included names from those in the gully. Again, it is irrelevant anyway since the trial is about who killed the civilians the day before, not whether or not some local KLA leader in the next village over got an accurate report the next morning. If Slobo thinks that will help his case, he can bring it up. Paratrooper_501's posts came from his statements that were submitted to the ICTY and are available to Milosevic.

[mark502inf]

from "Serb police was in the village, they did it."

Uh, no. There's quite a bit more to it than that. The eyewitnesses saw the Serb Police round up the men and take them away. Some of the men survived by running away or playing dead and described how the Serb police opened fire on them in the gully. Their stories are corroborated in other details by the evidence provided by Paratrooper_501 and the other KDOM & KVM personnel.