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1 posted on 04/01/2005 10:51:44 PM PST by kenvelshi
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this woman is being put to death without any serious medical evaluation more recent than 12 years ago.
2 posted on 04/01/2005 10:57:49 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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As usual, Steyn hits the nail on the head.


3 posted on 04/01/2005 10:59:50 PM PST by Desdemona
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I’d be irked to find I was being deported to Pyongyang on the grounds that, while watching a TV documentary late one night in 1987, I’d been heard to say, ‘Wow, you know it’d be kinda cool to go to North Korea, don’t you think?’

Damn he's good.

4 posted on 04/01/2005 11:00:32 PM PST by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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We have just witnessed judicially imposed euthanasia. No legislation passed, no constitutional application, and no citizen voting for it. This case is now precedent for euthanasia. If you are elderly or young but mentally retarded look out. You could be next.

The real concern I have now is; who in the hell runs this country?!? It seems the Judicial branch can rule over the Executive and Legislative branches with no problem.

Are the courts gonna have their own military service anytime soon?
5 posted on 04/01/2005 11:01:25 PM PST by KoRn (~Halliburton Told Me......)
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This is exactly the sort of intolerant, ignorant right wing fundamentalist garbage that's turning off the mainstream public and forcing the rational, commonsensical "True Federalist" FReepers to leave FreeRepublic.

/sarcasm

6 posted on 04/01/2005 11:13:27 PM PST by AHerald (Deal with it, don't whine about it.)
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To: kenvelshi
If most of the idiots out there, including those on the right (all lefties are idiots) would bother to actually read the facts from day one, they'd be appalled and suspicious at what has been transpiring.

Michael Schiavo, his doctors, the nurses, the hospice, his lawyer Felos, Judge Greer, etc. are ALL members of the same society of death cultists and ALL are associated with the hospice. Mark Levin was going through it the other night and I believe he said they even own most of it and others.

But the lazy left wing press will never report the facts any longer. They are too f'ing busy indoctrinating those still bothering to read or watch them with the IQ's of dogs or are elitist pigs that want to rule the world via Marx and Hillary.

Oh, but I'm supposed to be civil. I'm supposed to have respect for democracy with these monsters in our midst.

Well sue me if I refuse. Call me names if I get in their faces. Kill me when I suggest death would be too good for these hideous minions of Satan.

My conscious will always be clear.
7 posted on 04/01/2005 11:23:00 PM PST by Fledermaus (I have a big truck)
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Do you remember a fellow called Robert Wendland?

Yes, as a matter of fact.

His wife was not successful in starving him to death because of a Judge - who happens to be a man I know well, and know to be a brilliant, compassionate, fair, honest and probably the personification of what we grew up thinking a judge would be. We could use someone like him on the Supreme Court.

He is now Presiding Judge at the San Joaquin County Superior Court.

This is from THE RECORD newspaper, Wednesday, December 10, 1997:

Judge rejects plea to end Stockton man's life support By Kimi Yoshino Record Staff Writer

Robert Wendland should not be allowed to die by disconnecting the feeding tube that has kept him alive for four years, San Joaquin County Superior Court Judge Bob McNatt declared Tuesday.

The surprise ruling cut short a high-profile trial monitored by medical and legal scholars across the country.

Judge McNatt said: ""If I must err, I am going to err on the side of caution. It is necessary that I choose life. ... I don't know at this point whether here today I am preserving Robert's life or whether I am sentencing him to life."

"I feel that this is the absolutely wrong decision for all the right reasons," McNatt said. "I entertain a strong suspicion that Robert would have wanted to die." But McNatt said a strong suspicion is not enough evidence to end the 45-year-old Stockton man's life as requested by Wendland's wife, Rose Wendland,...and his court-appointed attorney, Deputy Public Defender Doran Berg. They did not -- and could not -- meet their clear and convincing burden of proof under California law, McNatt said."

If McNatt had allowed Wendland's life-sustaining feeding tube to be removed, it would have been a first for a California court. No judge has endorsed withdrawing life support from a person in Wendland's condition, conscious but unable to communicate because of serious brain damage from a 1993 car crash. Wendland's mother, Florence Wendland, and sister Rebekah Vinson, who fought since July 1995 to keep him alive, met McNatt's decision with relieved tears. "We are on top of the world," Vinson said. "We are going to relax for the first time in 2 1/2 years." Rose Wendland, who testified that her husband did not have a living will but had told her he would not want to live without being a "father, husband and provider," sat in stunned silence and quickly left the Stockton courtroom without comment. McNatt described Rose Wendland as one of the most selfless and devoted wives he has seen, but he said that to rule in her favor, he would have to extend the bounds of California law. "If I must err, I am going to err on the side of caution. It is necessary that I choose life," McNatt said. "I am not ready to start down that slippery slope without some form of guidance." The ruling, which McNatt predicted would be appealed, came 1 1/2 hours after the court day usually ends and before Wendland's mother and sister presented their case. Elements of the case have been considered by the state Court of Appeal and the California Supreme Court. The case also has grabbed headlines in national magazines, won attention on Internet bulletin boards and aired on the TV newsmagazine "Dateline NBC."

A very similar case as Terri's - with very different results .............How I wished, these past weeks, that Terri had had her case brought before Bobby

10 posted on 04/01/2005 11:26:57 PM PST by maine-iac7 ("...BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL THE TIME." Lincoln)
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Perfect.


11 posted on 04/01/2005 11:28:19 PM PST by Petronski (I thank God Almighty for a most remarkable blessing: John Paul the Great.)
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If he’d stop his shrill bleating for a couple of minutes, he might notice that the ‘theocrats’ who want Terri Schiavo to live include Jesse Jackson, Ralph Nader and Massachusetts Congressman Barney Frank, who’s not just a Democrat but a gay one.

I don't think Mr. Steyn is correct about Congressman Frank -- I thank that Congressman Frank was one of the leaders of the pro-death camp:

Seattle Post-Intelligencer: Reps. Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Jim Davis of Florida, two who led the opposition on the House floor to congressional intervention, declined to talk about the politics of the issue, saying it was a day of mourning.

14 posted on 04/01/2005 11:42:21 PM PST by snowsislander
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Steyn is a temendously talented writer with a unique gift for cutting through the spin and lies generated by the MSM and the left - leaving the reader to ponder the truth about the big pitcure. Even better, in these latest articles he reaffirms an important moral principle - the sanctity of life - in which our civilization is rooted. This principle has been shockingly disavowed by many so-called "conservatives" in this nation over the past several weeks.

If your're reading this, Mark, thanks for standing up and agruing for what is right. You've presented us with the essential truth of what has happened here. Thanks so much.


19 posted on 04/01/2005 11:54:50 PM PST by Bogolyubski
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In Europe, where demographic reality means that in a generation or so all the dependants will be elderly European Christians and most of the fellows they’re dependent on will be young North African or Arab Muslims, the social consensus for government health care is unlikely to survive.

About ten years ago, after a few drinks, I used to pose the question to my comrades about the real problem with medicare and social security. Just why do you think our nation 30 years hence will want to tax themselves to death to pay for the care and feeding and prosperity of a bunch of old white Anglo geezers? It got a laugh every time. Humor to be effective needs to have a bit of truth in it. And so it goes.

26 posted on 04/02/2005 12:32:10 AM PST by Torie
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The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness (Felos)

So where are the ADL and Binai Brith on that incredible faux paux?

My Gawd.....how can anyone suggest Jews volunteered for slaughter....I guess all of WWII's other cleansed victims from Poland to Nanking all volunteered too.

What an idiot ....I hear he willed a plane to nearly crash too while he was on it. Me thinks he may hear voices if ya know what i mean.

31 posted on 04/02/2005 1:30:15 AM PST by wardaddy ("Finally!, A Man Worth Killing!")
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I'm by no means a prude (I had a post deleted the other night because I got a little too racy), but I don't think the titillating Freepathon ad was appropriate on a Terri Schiavo thread.

It wasn't what I needed to see immediately after reading a rather somber subject. A Greer or Felos picture or cartoon would have been a better choice.

32 posted on 04/02/2005 2:09:49 AM PST by benjaminjjones
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I know I'm doing something right if I'm on the same side as Steyn. Great article, as is par for the course for this man.


36 posted on 04/02/2005 2:29:07 AM PST by Rastus
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Holy smokes - this is good.


40 posted on 04/02/2005 3:57:01 AM PST by The Raven
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It’s foolish to think you can raise entire populations — not to mention generations of doctors — to make self-interested judgments about who lives and who doesn’t and expect them to remain confined to three trimesters.

Can't say it enough.

41 posted on 04/02/2005 4:04:35 AM PST by Jim Noble (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God)
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bump


43 posted on 04/02/2005 5:10:49 AM PST by RippleFire ("It's a joke, son!")
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That it is, uniquely, a crime to serve Mrs Schiavo a beverage underlines the court’s intent — not to cease the artificial prolongation of life but actively to cause her death.

Gives a lift to the hair on the back of my neck...

45 posted on 04/02/2005 5:31:13 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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Mr Felos writes, ‘The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness.

WHAT??? They agreed...to be... what?? My God, I'm actually speechless at this bizarre, twisted ... ??

47 posted on 04/02/2005 8:31:39 AM PST by wizardoz
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On page 240 Mr Felos writes, ‘The Jewish people, long ago in their collective consciousness, agreed to play the role of the lamb whose slaughter was necessary to shock humanity into a new moral consciousness. Their sacrifice saved humanity at the brink of extinction and propelled us into a new age.... If our minds can conceive of an uplifting Holocaust, can it be so difficult to look another way at the slights and injuries and abuses we perceive were inflicted upon us?’

Someone remind me again, why Nazi references are out of bounds in this case?

48 posted on 04/02/2005 8:36:54 AM PST by thoughtomator (Fight terror - strangle a caribou!)
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