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Bill Clinton's Worst Crimes (Bombed Iraq every other day, over one million Iraqis starved)
The Ornery ^ | 1/26/01 | David L. Harten

Posted on 04/02/2005 4:40:18 PM PST by Libloather

Clinton's Worst Crimes
By David L. Harten
January 26, 2001

President Clinton was impeached for the wrong crimes. Unlike most Republicans, I never thought Clinton should have been impeached for his affair with Monica Lewinsky. Yes, it was immoral, but as my wife likes to say, Americans elected him to be President, not Pope.

At the beginning of the impeachment drive, I agreed with those who argued, "Nobody died because of Clinton's extramarital affair." Surely, I thought, other Presidents had done much worse actions that had cost people's lives. However, Clinton's later acts to distract Americans from his extramarital affair were truly criminal and impeachable, causing thousands, of deaths. I agree with the essay "The Blood on Bill Clinton's Hands," except for one major shortcoming: OSC left out the most serious, and most blatant, of Clinton's war crimes.

The people of Serbia, Kosovo, the Sudan, Pakistan, and Afghanistan are not the only or most obvious victims of Clinton's affair with Monica Lewinsky. The day before the House impeachment vote, Clinton bombed Iraq, delaying the impeachment vote. He continued the bombing throughout all the days of the impeachment vote. Only an hour or two after the House impeachment vote ended, Clinton ended the bombing, saying, "We have achieved our objectives." Of course, because the objective was to delay and distract from the impeachment vote! In all other respects, the bombing hurt U.S. and international interests.

Clinton gave several excuses for bombing Iraq on the eve of the impeachment vote, especially the (bogus, but unquestioned) claim that Iraq had stopped cooperating with UNSCOM inspectors. In reality, Iraq's cooperation with UNSCOM inspectors had actually been increasing, despite U.S. attempts to provoke a confrontation. However, knowing the impeachment schedule, Clinton had directed UNSCOM chief Richard Butler to write a report that Iraq was not cooperating. Even Scott Ritter, the former chief UNSCOM weapons inspector who quit because he thought the weapons inspectors were not tough enough, said that the White House had been on the phone with UNSCOM "shaping" the report to make sure it would justify bombing Iraq during the impeachment trial.

Clinton actually used the Muslim holy month of Ramadan as an excuse for the timing of the bombing. This may have fooled the American media, but didn't fool Muslims, as Clinton continued the bombing even after Ramadan had started (but halted the bombing as soon as the impeachment vote ended).

Sure, Clinton said he had unanimous agreement from his national security advisers to bomb Iraq. So what? No matter what day he asked his national security advisers, they would always agree to bomb Iraq, so why ask on that particular day, a day before the impeachment vote?

Fact: the UNSCOM inspectors were not kicked out of Iraq in December 1998 by Saddam -- President Clinton had UNSCOM chief Richard Butler pull out the UN inspectors so he could bomb. United Nations Secretary General Kofi Annan was understandably angry that Clinton ordered out not just the U.S. inspectors, but all United Nations inspectors (which he had no authority to do).

Fact: ever since Bill Clinton ordered the UNSCOM inspectors out of Iraq so he could bomb (the day before the impeachment vote), there have been no UN weapons inspectors in Iraq. So when Clinton said (as soon as the impeachment vote ended), "We have achieved our objectives," was one of those objectives to permanently remove weapons inspectors from Iraq.

Fact: days before the UNSCOM report came out, Clinton was in Israel, already telling Prime Minister Netanyahu that he was expecting a negative UNSCOM report, and that he would soon be bombing Iraq. Clinton knew the contents ahead of time because he was "shaping" that report.

Fact: because of Clinton's December 1998 bombing, Iraq began challenging the U.S. and British "no-fly zones," which they had not been doing before. The risk to U.S. pilots is negligible (no U.S. plane has ever been hit), but it has given the U.S. and Britain an excuse for nearly daily bombing of Iraq (not just radar sites, but cities, towns, shepherd's camps, etc.). Since December 1998, this illegal bombing has killed about two hundred Iraqis, including shepherds with their flocks, families in their houses, and small children, and injured many more. It helps to put faces on the victims. I saw a photo of a cute, smiling little girl named Isra, from the Abu-Khasib neighborhood of Basra, who lost her right arm when a U.S. IGM-130 missile hit her neighborhood at 10:10 AM, January 25, 1999 (for a picture of her, see http://www.vitw.org/airwar.html). This ongoing bombing would not be happening except for Clinton?s attempt to distract from the impeachment vote.

Maybe Americans don't care about the hundreds of Iraqis Clinton killed during the impeachment trial bombings of Iraq, and the scores of Iraqi civilians (and sheep) killed during the almost daily bombings of Iraq in the two years since then. Most Americans, incredibly enough, don't even know we're still at war, that we've been bombing Iraq every other day for the last two years!

Okay, for the sake of argument, say we can forgive Clinton for killing a few hundred or thousand Iraqis with bombs.

Bombs are merciful compared to what Clinton has done to the innocent children of Iraq, the most vulnerable of all, by maintaining ten years of the harshest sanctions in the history of mankind, begun on August 6, 1990, and kept in place at the insistence of the United States. On May 12, 1996, television's "Sixty Minutes" interviewed Madeleine Albright (then U.S. ambassador to the UN, now Secretary of State). Leslie Stahl asked Albright, "We have heard half a million children have died [from economic sanctions in Iraq]. That's more children than died in Hiroshima. Is the price worth it?"

Albright replied, "I think this is a very hard choice. But the price, we think, is worth it."

I believe there is a special place in hell reserved for Madeleine Albright.

Yes, even four and a half years ago, 500,000 Iraqi children had already died as a direct result of economic sanctions. Over one million Iraqi civilians have died from the sanctions, mostly children under age five. Those are not Iraqi figures -- those figures come from Unicef, the World Health Organization, the UN's Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), the UN's Department of Humanitarian Affairs, and other international sources. The "oil-for-food" program is so ineffectual that two consecutive UN directors of that program (Denis Haliday and Hans Von Sponeck) resigned, out of protest that they were presiding over a humanitarian disaster which can only be called genocide. They were UN Assistant Secretaries General, the highest ranking UN personnel ever to resign for reasons of conscience. Now Denis Haliday and Hans Von Sponeck are touring America and other countries, pleading for an end to the sanctions on Iraq.

Embargoes during peacetime are tough enough, but after a devastating war, they are disastrous. During the Gulf War, U.S. forces deliberately targeted Iraqi water treatment plants, dams, and electric generating facilities (in violation of the Geneva Convention), later admitting they did it in order to cause disease (which was biological warfare by the United States). Iraq has not been allowed to rebuild its water treatment plants since then. Chlorine, and water chlorinators, are prohibited under sanctions. Disease is at epidemic levels, especially among babies and children under five. Nobel Peace prize winners have visited Iraq and described the sanctions as genocide. Iraqi children are dying from starvation, malnutrition, tainted water, lack of basic medicines, and diseases that were once rare but now epidemic.

Iraqis are also suffering horrible birth defects and cancers caused by the 350 tons of depleted uranium (DU) fired into Iraq by U.S. forces during the 1991 Gulf War. DU, used for armor-piercing shells, becomes on impact an dust that drifts on the desert winds until inhaled. DU is not only toxic, but has a radioactive half-life in the billions of years.

U.S. sanctions law is so tough that even shipping food or medicine to Iraq is punishable by a one million dollar fine and 12 years in prison. I have personally tried to send baby formula, but the U.S. post office refuses, due to sanctions. Many items are specifically banned (pencils, books including medical textbooks, chlorine, etc.), while all other items are prohibited without a U.S. Treasury Department license that is almost impossible to obtain.

Fifty-five years ago, people asked, "Where were the good Germans? Why didn't they act to prevent the Holocaust?" History will judge America the same way over the current genocide against Iraqi civilians, the genocide by sanctions. My conscience cannot let me keep silent about this. People are people, and children are children. Even if one hates Muslims (which is hardly a Christian attitude), one million Christians also live in Iraq.

Most major religious groups have condemned the sanctions, including Baptists, Catholics, Churches of Christ, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Mennonites, Methodists, Presbyterians, Quakers, Unitarians, the National Council of Churches, the World Council of Churches, etc. Leaders of 24 Christian denominations, including those mentioned above, signed a September 27, 1999 letter to President Clinton urging him to end the economic sanctions on Iraq.* Conspicuously absent from the list, unfortunately, is the church that OSC and I belong to, the Mormons (my branch president told me the issue is too political -- as if genocide isn't always political).

Contrary to Clinton Administration propaganda, the small amount of food and medicines that are allowed into Iraq under the "oil-for-food" program (UN Res. 986) are distributed extremely efficiently by the Iraqi government. The U.S. constantly places long holds on shipments of food and medicine, or refusing to allow shipment of essential items altogether. Food and medicines spoil because of lack of refrigeration, or rot in warehouses because the forklifts and trucks to transport them are banned by sanctions. An American who visited an Iraqi hospital that lacked basic medicines and equipment due to sanctions said, "I know what this place is now. It's a death row for children." The doctors try their best, but there is little they can do without medicine, equipment, electricity, or even medical textbooks.

Those who agree with sanctions on Iraq act as if only one person lives there, Saddam Hussein. Yes, Saddam is a cruel dictator who does not allow freedom of speech and has executed hundreds of his political opponents, but that number pales compared to the million or more the Clinton administration has killed through sanctions. Admittedly, Saddam is a brutal and cruel dictator (although he was just as brutal and cruel when the U.S. was arming him and supporting him, under Reagan and Bush, while he gassed his people with U.S. support). But if he is as brutal a dictator as everyone agrees, does it make any sense to starve his people to try to influence him? If (as the Clinton Administration says) Saddam does not care about his people, how will our starving them influence him?

When I spoke about Iraq in my church, tears came to my eyes telling of the father who had to hold his young daughter while her leg was sawed off without anesthesia, because of sanctions. Thinking of my own young son, I also cried describing the mother who, unable to sufficiently breastfeed her baby due to her own malnourishment (the meager food ration under sanctions has no fruits, vegetables, meat, or dairy), gave him sugar water, but the water was polluted. The baby developed diarrhea, and for lack of a five dollar medicine, he died. I know my own young son and unborn baby could never survive in Iraq under UN sanctions, which have been kept in place for over ten years at the insistence of the U.S. We are killing an entire generation, body and soul, destroying a civilization.

Saddam is not the only person who lives in Iraq, any more than Clinton is the only person in America! Over one million innocent Iraqis, mostly children under five, have died miserable deaths simply because Clinton and Albright refuse to admit that sanctions are a mistake, especially sanctions applied after a country's infrastructure has been destroyed through the most destructive bombing in history.

"What about weapons of mass destruction?" some may ask. Ex-weapons inspector Scott Ritter wrote in the Boston Globe (3/9/00) that, "...from a qualitative standpoint, Iraq has in fact been disarmed... The chemical, biological, nuclear and long-range ballistic missile programs that were a real threat in 1991 had, by 1998, been destroyed or rendered harmless." The true weapons of mass destruction are the sanctions themselves. It is ironic that sanctions began on August 6, 1990, the 45th anniversary of the Hiroshima atomic bombing, because it would be more humane for the U.S. to drop a Hiroshima-sized atomic bomb on Iraq every year than to continue the sanctions. In fact, as an article in the May/June 1999 issue of Foreign Affairs shows, the sanctions against Iraq have killed more people than all "weapons of mass destruction" in history, combined! The same UN resolution used to justify sanctions on Iraq also declared the Middle East a nuclear-free zone. Israel is in blatant violation of that same resolution, yet we do not starve the Israeli people to coerce their leader (nor should we).

There is no doubt that sanctions actually strengthen Saddam Hussein politically. Sanctions strengthen Saddam's grip on Iraq and weaken all opposition, as the struggle to survive, to keep one's children alive, supercedes all thought of rebellion. Sanctions also cause anti-Americanism, as the Arab world knows what we are doing to Iraq, killing over a million innocent people to get revenge on their leader.

The United States used international law to justify the 1991 Gulf War. However, the U.S. and British "no-fly zones" and the continuing bombing of Iraq violate international law. The sanctions themselves violate international law as enshrined in the Genocide Convention (Article II, "'deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring its physical destruction, in whole or in part"), the Geneva Conventions (Geneva Protocol 1, Article 54 outlaws "starvation of civilians as a method of warfare"), the World Declaration on Nutrition ("food must not be used as a tool for political pressure"), and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Unfortunately, the incoming Bush administration plans to continue the Clinton administration's genocidal Iraq policy. Both George W. Bush and his Secretary of State, Colin Powell, have said they think the sanctions should actually be tightened.

I knew I had to speak out against sanctions when I read about Bert Sacks, an American Jew. Sacks was returning from a trip to deliver medicine to Iraqis (in violation of U.S. law), when he took a side trip to visit Auschwitz, a place of special importance to him as a Jew. More than one million Jews died at Auschwitz, comparable to the number of Iraqi civilians killed by sanctions. Sacks calls the sanctions an Auschwitz in progress. Like Sacks, I do not want to emulate the "good Germans," who stayed silent during the Holocaust.

In the name of Jesus Christ, who died for all of us, we must not keep silent about the innocent children suffering in Iraq. Use your voices to save some of the children; become "voices in the wilderness," as the Chicago-based anti-sanctions group is named. In the name of God, speak out, everyone who reads these words. To remain silent in the face of genocide committed by one's own government is tantamount to being complicit, a collaborator. In the U.S., unlike Nazi Germany, we can speak out against our government without fear of death. It is our duty to due so, for if we don't, God have mercy on our souls. We cannot wait, for every day, 150 to 200 more children die from sanctions in Iraq.

Some web sites to visit for more information:

http://saveageneration.org/thecrisis/

http://www.afsc.org/conscience/Default.htm

http://www.vitw.org

*The September 27, 1999 letter to President Clinton urging an end to the Iraqi embargo was signed by the following religious leaders:

The Right Reverend Craig B. Anderson, President, NCCCUSA

The Reverend George H. Anderson, Presiding Bishop, The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America

Mathews Mar Barnabas, Metropolitan of the American Diocese of the Malankara Orthodox Church (India)

Archbishop Khajag Barsamian, Primate, Diocese of the Armenian Church of America

John A. Buehrens, President, Unitarian Universalist Association

The Rev. Joan Brown Campbell, General Secretary, The National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA

Bishop Joseph A. Fiorenza, President, National Conference of Catholic Bishops

Brother Stephen Glodek, SM, President, Catholic Conference of Major Superiors of Men's Institutes

Wesley Granberg-Michaelson, General Secretary, Reformed Church of America

The Most Reverend Frank T. Griswold, Presiding Bishop and Primate, Episcopal Church, USA

William Boyd Grove, Ecumenical Officer, United Methodist Council of Bishops

Richard L. Hamm, General Minister and President, The Christian Church Disciples of Christ in the U.S. and Canada

Archbishop Cyril Aphrem Karim, Syrian Orthodox Church of Antioch

Clifton Kirkpatrick, Stated Clerk of the General Assembly, Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.)

Dr. Ronald J.R. Mathies, Executive Director, Mennonite Central Committee

Johan Maurer, General Secretary, Friends United Meeting

Kara Newell, Executive Director, American Friends Service Committee

Metropolitan Philip Saliba, Primate, Antiochian Orthodox Christian Archdiocese of North America

Paul H. Sherry, President United Church of Christ

Metropolitan Theodosius, Primate, Orthodox Church in America

The Right Reverend Dr. Zacharias Mar Theophilus, Bishop, Mar Thomas Church

Joe Volk, Executive Secretary, Friends Committee on National Legislation

Bishop Vsevolod, Ukrainian Orthodox Church of USA

The Rev. Dr. Daniel Weiss, General Secretary, American Baptist Church


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To: Gunrunner2

Don't forget he covered up the terrorist attack on Flight 800 just because he was only months away from a presidential election.


21 posted on 04/02/2005 5:57:50 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: Libloather; sheltonmac; billbears

Excellent article. The man who died today opposed the sanctions. Sanctions are excessively cruel and hurt first the weakest members of a society.


22 posted on 04/02/2005 6:13:26 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: Libloather

The reason DU has a half-life of 4.5 billion years is that it's not very radioactive.

That's what the 'Depleted' part means!


23 posted on 04/02/2005 6:21:53 PM PST by chaosagent (It's all right to be crazy. Just don't let it drive you nuts.)
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To: WaterDragon
Hmmm. . let's see. . .a terrorist attack against Americans always generates a rally of support for the president (rally 'round the flag). . .therefore, by covering-up the "attack" Clinton cleverly hurt himself because he didn't want to politicize the "attack" for his own personal gain. . . .don't think so, but maybe you are right.

Give me a moment, I have to make a new tin-foil hat. . .I used the last one to make new fillings for my teeth because the voices kept asking "what's the frequency"
24 posted on 04/02/2005 6:32:12 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4
"Excellent article."

??

While the rest of your post is a good statement of opinion about the Pope and his stance, and a good point to debate sanctions, I'd hardly refer to some waaayyy loony left-wing organizations anti-American screed as "excellent."

So, what's your take on sanctions that were against South Africa?
25 posted on 04/02/2005 6:37:33 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

I was against those as well.


26 posted on 04/02/2005 6:46:08 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: ValenB4
At least you are consistent. Most times I find people supported the SA sanctions but not the Iraqi sanctions.

Problem with the Iraqi sanctions was the Saddam. However, he never received the blame he deserved.
27 posted on 04/02/2005 6:48:56 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Some of those points brought up in the article do not come exclusively from the left. For example, Jude Wanniski, the man most responsible for the supply-side thinking of Ronald Reagan, brings them up as well.


28 posted on 04/02/2005 6:49:22 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: ValenB4
Yes, but the totality of the article is left-wing, anti-American drival. Selected quotes, absent historical context, alleging nefarious intent, accusations of reckless and wanton military action, baseless claims of DU, emotive but groundless and hardly credible "eyewitiness accounts," the list goes on and on and on.

We have debates on issues, inside the administration and without, in the media, selective public leaks, all part of the debate. Nonetheless, this sort of article is contrived and clearly driven by a deeply-rooted hatred of America. it is not a rationale examination of the issue.
29 posted on 04/02/2005 6:57:57 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2
I don't like Saddam Hussein and am not going to defend his misdeeds. But he has been disproportionately villified over the years. That first Iraq war should have been avoided. Iraq did have some legitimate complaints against Kuwait, most glaringly its slant drilling under the border, and Saddam thought we had given him a green light to invade. For that part of the world, he was a progressive and would have been content to continue to do business with the US. Gas prices would certainly be lower.

But I don't believe in collective punishment. To employ sanctions hurts an entire population and does breed hatred against us. In the final analysis, the sanctions didn't do any good since ended up fighting another war to get rid of Saddam.

I oppose sanctions in principle. Economic growth is the most effective form of social change because it is peaceful and empowers all members of society, giving them financial power and access to knowledge.

30 posted on 04/02/2005 7:01:52 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: Gunrunner2

I grant that the author may be overly biased in one way. But I'm not certain that the DU allegations are false. The rate of birth defects had gone up. Although they would also go up from a general lack of nutrition and poor sanitation.


31 posted on 04/02/2005 7:05:34 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: ValenB4
"disproportionately villified over the years" . . . .wow. . .really? I think he has not been held accountable enough for the evil he has done to his people and to the region.

"Saddam thought we had given him a green light to invade. "

Blame American First, not a good thing to do. Look, if he was looking for our permission, we did not give it. Some State Dept bimbo left the wrong impression, but that does not in any way excuse his aim, goal and actions. And besides, do you really think that Saddam would have been convinced not to invade if we said, "Don't do it."

I think not, and here is why: After the invasion and brutalization of the Kuwaiti people, we had the most massive build-up of troop for an invasion since WWII. We threatened him, told him in no uncertain terms that the game was up; leave or be thrown out. He didn't believe us.

So, we are to believe he would not have invaded if he knew we would object--with no forces in the region to back up the objection, while after the invasion we had a massive build-up and he thought we didn't have the will?

I can't see it.

Sanctions were a good thing for the US. Why? because in Operation Iraqi Freedom the Iraqi military was not the same military he had in 90/91. This ensured a quicker victory with less US casualties. Sanctions worked in that regard, and sad that innocents suffered under sanctions, I place the blame on Saddam, and if sanctions saved American lives, so be it.

Realistically, absent having to send in troops, sanctions hardly force changes because the very regimes that warrant sanctions are the very regimes that are least affected by them. Oh, and the french usually find ways to get around them.
32 posted on 04/02/2005 7:13:02 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4
The link I proved is an excellent read regarding DU.

Well researched and documented, the DoD has been studying this for years and found no link between DU and supposed illnesses.
33 posted on 04/02/2005 7:14:42 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4

Link is in Post 4.


34 posted on 04/02/2005 7:15:17 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4

Nonsense. Saddam Hussein is responsible for his nation's ills in the wake of the First Gulf War he started.


35 posted on 04/02/2005 7:18:07 PM PST by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: Gunrunner2

That's not blaming America first. It's blaming a bad situation on a miscommunication. That's how most wars start. Are you really denying that Kuwait was slant drilling under the Iraq border? What self-respecting country would accept that? If that first war had been avoided, there would have been no sanctions and no need for a second war. More Iraqi people would be alive today and there wouldn't be so much uncertainty in the entire region. Because this is still history unwinding, we don't know where things will end up and the final judgment is not set in stone. No one knew at the time what a bad idea World War I would end up being.


36 posted on 04/02/2005 7:27:13 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: Gunrunner2

I browsed through it a bit and read the conclusion. I tend to agree that soldiers weren't exposed to DU in terms of time or quantities for that to be the primary factor.


37 posted on 04/02/2005 7:41:03 PM PST by ValenB4 (Pope John Paul II, I love you and will miss you! God bless you!)
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To: ValenB4
"That's not blaming America first. It's blaming a bad situation on a miscommunication. "

Actually, the way I see it you are blaming America first.

You say WE failed in our communication and this CAUSED him to believe we did not object to his plans for an invasion. Saddam is not to be held accountable for his actions? Miscommunication? Perhaps, but Saddam was the one intent upon invading. Again, do you really think a finger wag at him would have stopped him, especially given the fact that a build-up of 500,000 US troops didn't convince him to leave?

"Are you really denying that Kuwait was slant drilling under the Iraq border? "

Wherever did I say anything about that accusation? Never addressed it.

"What self-respecting country would accept that? "

None, and this brings up an interesting logic trail of yours.

It is clear you saying that because of slant drilling Saddam was justified in invading Kuwait.

Therefore, it follows that our objection to his planned invasion would have been unjustified and illegitimate, after all, slant drilling is cause for war and he would be defending his country.

It also follows, then, that our war to kick him out of Kuwait was an unjust war and illegitimate because Saddam invaded for a just cause.

Therefore, as I see it: You blame the US for not convincing him to not invade, while at the same time you argue he had just cause to invade---ergo, any US warning before his invasion would have been unjust, as Saddam had sufficient reason to invade.

You also say that he would not have invaded if we merely said "don't," but you ignore the fact that he did not leave Kuwait when we had 500,000 men built-up to force him out, and again, because of slant drilling he was justified in invading and therefore our war was unjust.

Simply put, you are arguing we were wrong to not warn him off as he had cause, and we were wrong to to force him out because he had cause. Basically, you are blaming America first.

How else to understand your point?

I mean, if he was justified in invading Kuwait because of slant drilling, then no matter what we said would convince him not to invade, and any arguments we made against his invasion would have been illigetimate, as would be our war to throw him out.

Actually, Saddam claimed Kuwait as, what, the 19th Province of Iraq. Saddam was claiming to re-unite Kuwait with Iraq.

What about the Iran/Iraq war?

Was he wrong there?

Is the US to blame?

Saddam wanted to rule the region.

"More Iraqi people would be alive today and there wouldn't be so much uncertainty in the entire region."

Actually, I see much more certainty now than when Saddam was in power. He was clearly intent upon claiming the region as his invasion of Iran, his invasion of Kuwait, and his intent to invade Saudi makes clear.

Saddam was hardly a calming presence in the region.
38 posted on 04/02/2005 7:59:29 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4

Yeah. . .it is a good source, isn't it.

Too bad VIW and others are so blinded by their hatred of America that they simply can't see the truth.


39 posted on 04/02/2005 8:00:29 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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To: ValenB4

I'm out of here for the night.

See you tomorrow.

Cheers.


40 posted on 04/02/2005 8:03:48 PM PST by Gunrunner2
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