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Border Patrol Complains That Volunteers Are Tripping Sensors Used to Detect Illegal Crossers(DRUDGE)
AP ^ | 4/4/05 | Arthur H. Rotstein

Posted on 04/04/2005 12:44:34 PM PDT by Crackingham

Volunteers who have converged on the Mexican border to watch for illegal immigrants are disrupting U.S. Border Patrol operations by unwittingly tripping sensors that alert agents to possible intruders, an agency spokesman complained Monday. Scores of participants in the Minuteman Project began assembling late last week and planned to begin regular patrols on Monday, in an exercise some law enforcement authorities and civil rights groups fear will result in vigilante violence. Many of the volunteers were recruited over the Internet, and some planned to be armed. Over the past few days, they have set off sensors, forcing agents to respond to false alarms, said Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jose Maheda.

"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

The volunteers planned to start fanning out Monday across 23 miles of the San Pedro Valley to watch the border and report any illegal activity to federal agents. The idea, according to project organizers, is partly to draw attention to problems on the Arizona-Mexico border, considered the most porous stretch of the 2,000-mile southern border. Of the 1.1 million illegal immigrants caught by the Border Patrol last year, 51 percent crossed into the country at the Arizona border.

Jim Coniglio of Tucson, who plans to patrol with other volunteers this week, said residents in some areas of the border have complained of being "overrun routinely" by migrants. "They're feeling insecure," he said.

The Border Patrol opposes the operation. "The possibility for something going drastically wrong is very high," Maheda said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; apanceonfier; apeanut4you; apeasement; apenemy1; apenemyuno; aphitpeice; apos; apropaganda; apsentoftruth; bordersecurity; minutemanproject
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1 posted on 04/04/2005 12:44:35 PM PDT by Crackingham
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To: Crackingham
That's a pretty weak complaint. They're tripping the sensors that tell them how many people they allow to cross the border illegally.
2 posted on 04/04/2005 12:46:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: cripplecreek

Oh yeah. They pay a lot of attention to those.


3 posted on 04/04/2005 12:47:24 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: cripplecreek

Hey Border Patrol, sthu and do your freakin' job.


4 posted on 04/04/2005 12:47:53 PM PDT by rockabyebaby (If you're not part of the solution, YOU ARE the problem.)
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To: cripplecreek

Is the border patrol vehemently against it, or rather, is it the press


5 posted on 04/04/2005 12:48:23 PM PDT by traderrob6 (http://www.exposingtheleft.blogspot.com)
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To: AppyPappy

I wonder how many coyotes and rattlesnakes trip those?


6 posted on 04/04/2005 12:48:27 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Michael, is it the movie and books deals you're waiting for, my boy?)
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To: Crackingham
Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

LOL! Their normal operations probably included ignoring tripped sensors. Now they can't do that because of media exposure.

7 posted on 04/04/2005 12:48:50 PM PDT by Iron Matron
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

In other words, "We have to leave our card game go out in the field!"

I know this is an unfair comment, but I just can't get excited about these sensors which don't seem to stop the illegals in the first place.

8 posted on 04/04/2005 12:49:06 PM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: cripplecreek

Whose problem is that? We're allowed to walk around where ever we want. It's not a military base.


9 posted on 04/04/2005 12:49:08 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Crackingham
Well, it's good to see the border patrol actually noticing the sensors being tripped.

It's funny, a couple of hundred VOLUNTEER, LEGAL members of our society goes and tries to make a meaningful impact and they're a nuisance because they tripped some sensors.

Yet, a couple of MILLION ILLEGALS cross the border and 1) they didn't trip the sensors and 2) the border patrol did nothing to stop the MILLIONS.

Looks like they might actually have to go do their job. God forbid.

10 posted on 04/04/2005 12:49:19 PM PDT by mattdono ("Crush the democrats, drive them before you, and hear the lamentations of the scumbags" -Big Arnie)
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To: Crackingham

So what! If the Border Patrol has been ignoring these remote alarms whenever they've been tripped before by illegal immigrants, they can just continue to ignore them now that they're being tripped by the Minutemen. At least the Minutemen will spot and track these illegals routinely, which hasn't been done before. And they'll hold the feet of the Border Patrol to the fire to make them act on these illegals, finally. What's the problem?


11 posted on 04/04/2005 12:49:42 PM PDT by bowzer313
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To: mattdono

Are these sensors on private property?


12 posted on 04/04/2005 12:50:16 PM PDT by Sybeck1 (Michael, is it the movie and books deals you're waiting for, my boy?)
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To: traderrob6

I think the guys in the field are all for the undocumented agents. It's the higher ups that officially oppose them.


13 posted on 04/04/2005 12:50:24 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: Crackingham; HiJinx

Funny that 4000 per day couldn't trip their sensors, but 100 or so "vigilantes" can upset their applecart.


14 posted on 04/04/2005 12:52:38 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Crackingham

aaaaawww, and would the BP like some cheese with that whine?

quit moaning and round-em-up!

at least the MM have brought enough attention to the border problems that both GWB & Vicente Fox have placed more "uniforms" on the border! HELLO?


15 posted on 04/04/2005 12:58:28 PM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: Sybeck1
I wonder how many coyotes and rattlesnakes trip those?

Actually, about 30 years ago I worked for a company that built airborne night vision equipment. We made a call on US Border Patrol headquarters to show how our stuff could help them. Even then they estimated about 3 million illegals were entering each year. But they had no money to buy our equipment because they had spent their entire hardware budget on leftover seismic sensors built for the Ho Chi Minh trail. Yeah, they knew all about coyotes (4 legged) and armadillos along that stretch of border. So many alarms the system was completely swamped.

16 posted on 04/04/2005 1:00:05 PM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: Crackingham
Sensors Used to Detect Illegal Crossers

Kinda like the car alarm screaming outside right now...

USELESS!

17 posted on 04/04/2005 1:01:00 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

"Every sensor wakes us up. It's interrupted our normal naptime".

18 posted on 04/04/2005 1:04:14 PM PDT by bigbob (2)
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To: Crackingham

This Maheda comes across poorly. He sounds just like the left wingers warning about all kinds of ridiculous stuff when he states, "The possibility for something going drastically wrong is very high,".


19 posted on 04/04/2005 1:04:39 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1366853/)
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To: Crackingham

Is Maheda a union rep?


20 posted on 04/04/2005 1:07:11 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Crackingham
In the Naco area of the Tucson sector last year, 118 border agents were assaulted, said Jose Maheda, spokesman for U.S. Customs and Border Patrol.

"These minutemen are causing a disruption in our normal operating procedures,' Maheda said over the growing chants of the crowd. "Now we have to worry about running into civilians in the dark night out there in the desert, armed civilians without training. We do not encourage this type of participation."

21 posted on 04/04/2005 1:10:59 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: azhenfud

"Funny that 4000 per day couldn't trip their sensors, but 100 or so "vigilantes" can upset their applecart.
"

I had the same thought.


22 posted on 04/04/2005 1:12:10 PM PDT by shellshocked (They're undocumented Border Patrol agents, not vigilantes.)
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To: azhenfud

"Funny that 4000 per day couldn't trip their sensors, but 100 or so "vigilantes" can upset their applecart."

I wish I could hear him respond to your statement.

Holtz
JeffersonRepublic.com


23 posted on 04/04/2005 1:15:41 PM PDT by JeffersonRepublic.com (<<<------- shameless promotion- visit & win my love forever)
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To: traderrob6
The MSM is cutting those guys to pieces.

Just The Facts Ma'am.
OK Sgt Friday here goes.
The opposition to these Minutemen was about five (maybe an over estimate)dried up, really ugly, weird, PETA loving anti-American, anti-Pro Life, pro Communist, Environuts. These women are living proof that highly educated but ignorant of life people with NO Common Sense abound in the ranks of the extreme liberal left.
24 posted on 04/04/2005 1:16:17 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (LL THE)
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To: Crackingham

The Border Patrol should just arrest everyone tripping a sensor.


25 posted on 04/04/2005 1:16:34 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: shellshocked; Crackingham

I suppose their warning light was actually blinking instead of a constant "on".

Its on, off, on, off is very distracting, don'tcha know...;-)


26 posted on 04/04/2005 1:18:40 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"The Border Patrol should just arrest everyone tripping a sensor."

Why start something new?

27 posted on 04/04/2005 1:19:29 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: JeffersonRepublic.com

"Well, you see this here "ON" light? It means it's a workin'. If it blinks, we've got a prollem. Get it?"


28 posted on 04/04/2005 1:22:55 PM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: cripplecreek

(Sen. Jack Harper, R)

"I don't know why people think the United States Constitution applies to illegal aliens," he said.


"What part of 'illegal' don't we understand?" he asked.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1373464/posts


29 posted on 04/04/2005 1:29:31 PM PDT by B4Ranch ("Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to report every illegal alien that you meet.")
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To: Crackingham

Why is the border patrol complaining about tripped sensors? Seems like they never cared when illegal border crossers tripped them.


30 posted on 04/04/2005 1:30:51 PM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Crackingham
Mario Villarreal, a spokesman for the U.S. Bureau of Customs and Border Protection, announced that the agency plans a major operation to add manpower and equipment to the busiest parts of the Arizona-Mexico border.

Just who is Supervisory Border Patrol Agent Jose Maheda,a spokesman?,a Supervisor? hmmm?

31 posted on 04/04/2005 1:31:28 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Doctor Stochastic
The Border Patrol should just arrest everyone tripping a sensor.

Ah, the irony of it all.

32 posted on 04/04/2005 1:37:55 PM PDT by harrowup (Just naturally perfect and humble of course)
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

And normal operations would be.........
34 posted on 04/04/2005 1:46:46 PM PDT by Kerretarded ("Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind." —Albert Einstein)
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To: Crackingham
sort of reminds you of McNamara's electronic wall , don't it?
That didn't work very well to keep the NVA out of So. Vietnam
and these sensors probably don't do much to alert to illegals
crossing with padded feet. Perhaps they add to a sense of complacency that the ICEmen can relax in the control centers
and monitor sensors rather than be feet on the ground day & night.
All power to these concerned patriots that are spending their time bringing attention to this dire issue. This effort should be made to go on indefinitely , that would make a real difference and force real change . Maybe eventually even Mr. Bush would apologize for calling these good people 'vigilantes' ? They deserve far better than that.
35 posted on 04/04/2005 1:47:09 PM PDT by injin
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To: Crackingham

Why complain about the sensors being tripped when you never respond to find out who tripped them?


36 posted on 04/04/2005 1:50:30 PM PDT by Ramonan (Honor does not go out of style.)
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To: Crackingham

Living in Arizona we know those sensors (if they really exist in any meaningful density, color me dubious) are going off more than a Gap store customer counting chime at the local mall...during a sale.

I think we have the problem clearly identified. Whose fault is it if the BP can't tell the difference between illegals and the minutemen? I would like to see the Border Patrol welcome these guys and take the opportunity to work with them with some guidance and coordination. The BP could turn them into a human version of more advanced "sensors"...think of the progress they'd make! But, then again...that makes too much sense. Better to keep both sides uninformed, and with that pigheaded position truly increase the chances for something really terrible to happen.


37 posted on 04/04/2005 1:52:51 PM PDT by AZGunSlinger
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To: Crackingham

I wonder how much this system of sensors costs? Who monitors the sensors......A.D.T?

Howzabout scrapping the gizmos and building an Israeli style wall instead?


38 posted on 04/04/2005 1:53:03 PM PDT by Kokojmudd (Today's Liberal is Tomorrow's Prospective Flying Saucer Abductee)
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To: Concentrate
Your basic hit piece against the MMP.

Omniscient ping.

39 posted on 04/04/2005 2:00:48 PM PDT by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: Crackingham
Attention idiot Border Patrol managers with obvious political agendas: This entire month the Minuteman Project volunteers ARE the sensors!! Sheesh!
40 posted on 04/04/2005 2:02:53 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

You don't get it, do you..

Your "normal operations" are NOT working and Americans are fed up with the results. That's why the Minuteman Project is on the border, calling attention to that fact, and demanding better money, resources, and equipment for the Border Patrol. Stop complaining that your business as usual is being disrupted because business as usual isn't cutting it!

41 posted on 04/04/2005 2:07:58 PM PDT by Spiff (Don't believe everything you think.)
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To: Crackingham
Maybe some BP Supervisors will have to get off their butts and help out now.

L

42 posted on 04/04/2005 2:13:29 PM PDT by Lurker (Remember the Beirut Bombing; 243 dead Marines. The House of Assad and Hezbollah did it..)
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To: Crackingham
[ Volunteers who have converged on the Mexican border to watch for illegal immigrants are disrupting U.S. Border Patrol operations by unwittingly tripping sensors that alert agents to possible intruders, ]

LoL.....
Thats rich...

43 posted on 04/04/2005 2:16:04 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Crackingham
"It's taken away from our normal operations."

That's the whole idea, you blockhead! Your 'normal operations' have resulted in the largest uncontested foreign invasion in the history of the world! No ... the solar system! No ... the galaxy!

44 posted on 04/04/2005 2:18:39 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Crackingham
"Every sensor has to be addressed," Maheda said. "It's taken away from our normal operations."

If responding to tripped sensors is not part of your normal operations, then please explain what your normal operations are... it certainly has nothing to do with stopping the illegals, or else these "vigilantes wouldn't be there in the first place. I'm sure the BP has a in-depth job description for every station. Please post them so we, the American people can more understand your "normal operations"

45 posted on 04/04/2005 2:20:29 PM PDT by dfwddr
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To: mdittmar

Maheda?
Is he an American?


48 posted on 04/04/2005 2:24:02 PM PDT by henderson field
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To: the_Watchman
"We have to leave our card game go out in the field!"

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

49 posted on 04/04/2005 2:24:53 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Harmful Or Fatal If Swallowed)
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To: Iron Matron

- LOL! Their normal operations probably included ignoring tripped sensors. Now they can't do that because of media exposure.-

Bingo!


50 posted on 04/04/2005 2:25:26 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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