She is a SeeBS kinda 'gal' ?
Posted on 04/04/2005 2:43:32 PM PDT by Heartofsong83
CBC waits an hour; then trashes Pope by Arthur Weinreb, Associate Editor, Canada Free Press Sunday, April 3, 2005
Pope John Paul II passed away at 2:40 p.m. Eastern Standard Time on April 2. Just a little over an hour later, CBC posted a story on its Web site entitled, "Former Nun slams Pope’s views on women, contraception".
The posting dealt with details of what former nun, Joanna Manning had previously told CBC Newsworld. Manning, who was described as a co-founder of Catholic Organizations for Renewal, criticized the Pope for trying "to re-establish the traditional virtues of women as being humble, subordinate and nurturing." Manning was further quoted as saying that the "new doctrine of femininity" that Pope John Paul II had introduced into the Church was "quite dangerous in the effects that it can have on women’s lives." She further criticized the Pope for not listening to people, being against women in the priesthood and for using his power at the United Nations to prevent women from getting access to contraception and AIDS prevention. Manning’s comments were summarized by describing his treatment of women and children as being "a terrible legacy that he leaves and one which the next pope will have to change".
Now Manning is of course entitled to her views and the CBC is right to air different viewpoints. But posting Manning’s interview within minutes of the Pope’s death was unbelievable and shameful, even for the CBC. Canadians, whose tax dollars fund the network should be outraged at the lack of compassion shown not only to the country’s Roman Catholics, but to all those who are saddened at the death of Pope John Paul II.
A perusal of news headlines on Google News from the time of the Pope’s death until Sunday morning reveal only one other article, out of the hundreds that have been posted, that deals with the Pope in a negative fashion. Swissinfo ran a Reuters article entitled, "Women critics say pope left them out" that basically made the same point that Manning had made. At least the Swiss publication waited until the next day to publish the article.
Although the CBC is running the same continuous coverage on Newsworld as other media are and this was just one story out of many, the network just couldn’t wait to go negative on an aspect of Christianity. The Pope was not above criticism and his legacy will be discussed and debated in the months and years to come. But an hour after his death was not the time to do it. That should be obvious even to the CBC.
The CBC just couldn’t wait to push their pro-feminist, anti-Christian agenda. The Pope may, as some have predicted, be referred to in the future as John Paul the Great. But to the CBC, he will be as he has always been — just another one of those white guys.
No one is forcing this nun to remain Catholic. Convert then if you don't like it.
The article says "former" nun. I wonder if she was asked to leave?
To what? an Atheist? The Catholic church is far from the most conservative church...in Canada at least, the only ones I can think of as more liberal are the Anglican Church (which is almost Catholic now), the United Church (dying) and the Metropolitan Community Church (which is out of the mainstream completely and held by gay activists)...
So...Encouraging women to be feminine is a bad thing, now?
NO DAMN KIDDING. I hear the Episcopals are just itching to get more man-hating lesbians into the fold to go with old Whistle-britches the Bishop of Sodom.
Imagine if she was trashing Islam instead!
Well they couldn't broadcast the interview, they had on curling instead of live coverage of the Pope. It was strange channel surfing on Saturday.
I'm not quite sure what you said ... but ... I kinda like it.
Exactly, Lauralee. For years, I have not been able to understand people who demand that the Church change to conform to their beliefs. And it's that way in so many other institutions as well.
The rules are what they are.
If you don't like the rules and don't want to follow them, why don't you join somewhere else? Why not start your own church?
It's right up there with the First Amendment to me--if you don't like what's being said--DON'T LISTEN!
Well most Catholics do not agree with Pope about banning contraception, however, that does not say that the Pope was a wonderful human being and a very CONSISTANT MORAL LEADER. The right wingers did not trash him for opposing the Iraq war. We can all agree that he was giant and fair, and straight, and a fantastic example of how Christians should lead their lives. The Reverend Billy Graham has comments on the Pope that is all compliment, so is President Bush. Even Muslim people have positive comment on this one human that all the earth seem to like and respect. The BBC, or other liberal media are so wrong to say any thing negative about this giant of human.
Her words were demeaning to traditional Catholics and so full of hate. I felt so yucky hearing them. I FEEL like she is inciting people to hate me for my religion. Where is the Canadian thought police and why aren't they arresting her? I thought they had anti-hate speech laws...
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CBC wouldn't broadcast it.
Oh, the pope did not slam the Iraq War. The Liberal Media keeps saying that. He only said that War should be a last resort. And his hands are tied advocating any war, he's a Christian leader. You have to remember the pope was in Nazi occupied Germany. He was a soldier. He understood that is sometimes necessary.
What these bastions of smug condescension say about a giant like John Paul II can never reflect negatively on him. It matters not the least what they say. It only reflects negatively on the small minded, hateful fanatics who say it.
She is a SeeBS kinda 'gal' ?
Or St. John Paul!
Paul McCartney wants him to be called "Paul John"
"You have to remember the pope was in Nazi occupied Germany. He was a soldier. He understood that is sometimes necessary."
And, where would the world be if someone didn't remind us that war is awful, that even if the WAR is moral and just contains all sorts of ACTIONS that are neither? I hate to think of a world where no one protested war, or warned against it, or spoke out asking for alternatives.
Maybe it's me, but imho woman have the greatest role in the Church. We are the only ones who can give birth to Priests.
Absolutely.
Really. They should just become something else. There are many Protestant denominations that will oblige them. Barring that, they can get ordained on line for about USD$20 and start their own church.
Nice haircut!
04 Apr 2005 19:38:11 GMT / Source: Reuters
(Recasts with new quotes)
By Jon Boyle
PARIS, April 4 (Reuters) - Politicians in secular France squabbled over whether the government had been right to order flags lowered on public buildings in a sign of respect for Pope John Paul.
Socialist senator Jean-Luc Melenchon and Yves Contassot, a senior Green party member on the Paris City Council, said the government had abused its powers on Monday by ordering the official tribute to the Pope, who died on Saturday.
The Unsa union said the government was guilty of double standards having ordered schools to take part in the tribute to a religious leader after banning Muslim headscarves in state schools in a drive to keep them firmly secular.
"Let the Christians pay tribute to the head of their church, it's a private matter," Contassot told France Inter radio.
"Today, we have a government and a head of state who, clearly, for political reasons, are trying to take advantage of an issue that is a private matter," he said.
Lowering of flags on all state buildings was "totally out of place and at the limit of legality."
Interior Minister Dominique de Villepin defended the government's move, saying the lowering of the flag was one of the "Republican customs" when a pope died.
"They have been applied at the occasion of the deaths of Pius XII, John XXIII and John Paul I," the interior ministry said in a statement.
Once so Catholic it was known as the "elder daughter of the Church", France has imposed a strict separation of church and state for 100 years to keep religion from provoking the bloody strife it sparked in previous centuries.
Millions of French are Roman Catholics, and there has been a public outpouring of grief over the Pope's death.
The row underscores the unpopular government's weakness as it struggles to convince hostile voters to back the European Union constitution in a referendum next month.
Socialist leader Francois Hollande said the government's reaction to the Pope's death had been "a bit excessive", but said: "This is not the time to have this type of debate".
Melenchon told Europe 1 radio the state was duty bound to observe a strict neutrality and that the flag tribute was a "favour awarded to one particular religion."
TRADITION
Cardinal Bernard Panafieu, Archbishop of Marseille, said he had "difficulty understanding" some of the reactions to the state's decision to lower French flags.
A spokesman for Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin said France also ordered its flags lowered in 1991 on the death of Norway's King Olaf V and in 1989 when Japanese Emperor Hirohito died.
"It's a republican tradition ... that applies to heads of state in office with which France has special relations or is friendly," the official said.
"The Pope is head of the Catholic Church and head of the Vatican City State" and flags would again be at half mast on Friday when the Pontiff is buried. French President Jacques Chirac and his wife Bernadette are to attend the funeral.
>>Manning, who was described as a co-founder of Catholic Organizations for Renewal, criticized the Pope for trying "to re-establish the traditional virtues of women as being humble, subordinate and nurturing."<<
And the problem is?
>>Maybe it's me, but imho woman have the greatest role in the Church. We are the only ones who can give birth to Priests.<<
Oh I love this. Amen FRiend, forever Amen!!!!
Actually, I remember one of the nuns who taught us saying the same thing when one of the girls asked if it was more important to be a nun or a mom.
The nun proclaimed that it was much more important to be a mom. We need more Catholics!!!!
Have yo unoticed the MSM talking point on the pope? (mentioned on Rush)
it is as bad as "did you know kerry was in vietnam."
they are a broken record.
"The pope opposed the war""The pope opposed the war""The pope opposed the war""The pope opposed the war""The pope opposed the war"
well sort of, he mentioned opposing the war because it is a last resort.
We have a President that says that oral sex is not sex, and now our young people are following him in such notion.
I agree
Well, we wouldn't want anyone to be humble or nurturing, that's just totally uncool /s
He did not oppose the war against Afghanistan...
No one would ever go to confession with a woman priest. It would be on Oprah...
That's about all an informed person needs to read.
lol
no she like many have left the church that hasn't appreciated her input, the way women were shut out of the Church after being a large part of the initial spread of Christianity is criminal and shortsighted....I have read though that there was one female Pope historically, only no one knew, think Yentl does the Vatican, though I'm not sure if that is just an urban legend....
you will also note that the Church has been in real trouble
recruiting new priests
and they will continue to do so so long as the ridiculous policy of a celibate priesthood stands
the Eastern Orthodox church is a clear example that single celibate priests are not the historical precedent
the greedy Church figured out it would be cheaper for the Church to have single priests rather than married priests, who after all like any good Catholic will also have large families and when a single priest dies all his property reverts back to the Vatican rather than the wife and kids....and we thought Islam was crafty
given the pedophilia scandal and the growing problem attracting males willing to be single and celibate to the priesthood, it's time for the Vatican to really take a second look or Islam will be surpassing it for sure....
so I suppose all you lot that don't want any single change in the Catholic church must be thinking those Wahhabis Islamists are on to a good thing, strict interpretation of the Koran, huh
a religion that isn't somewhat flexible or adaptable or realistic will eventually find itself extinct, or certainly with lesser and lesser influence, after all the Catholic Church today isn't the same as the Catholic Church in 300 AD Rome, a nice blend of Christianity and pagan rituals and some Roman traditions thrown in for some pomp and circumstance and funny, did I miss the part in the Bible about a Pope being stationed in Rome, sounds more like someone's clever imagination, must have been fun when there were two Popes....
the reality is there were married priests in the Church's tradition until greed changed it so it can just as easily be changed again....
What a load of misinformation. Get your facts straight before attacking the Church.
oh did I miss the part in the Bible where people with last names like Kennedy can have their marriages annulled and their children declared bastards, esp when the "price is right" but of course we don't believe in divorce now do we....
Quick and true story. My wife and I were attending the Engaged Encounter for soon-to-be-married Catholics. Now at an engaged encounter you get a wide variety of people. Some of traditional Catholics and some are there because they have to be. Mom and Dad are footing the bill, they want a Catholic wedding and so you have to go through the motions - like attending Engaged Encounter.
So we get to the talk about birth control and the Church's teaching on it and this one guy who, I'm sure fell into the second category, listens and then says, "Well, all this stuff you talk about, that's just the ideal, right?" Not quite understanding, the priest (a goodly and Godly man), said, "Uh, yes. That's the ideal." The first man shrugged his shoulders and said, "well, if it's just the ideal, then, - whatever."
There's a lot of "if it's just the ideal then, whatever" people out there.
"It's hard to disagree with this logic."
not at all, one honors a man, the other was about a religion
Ok, you're really showing your ignorance. Children of an annulled marriage are NOT declared bastards by anyone, must less The Church. You really need to get your facts straight before you start spouting nonsense.
FWIW...
Let's say we go bowling. Except that instead of throwing the ball, let's hit it with a stick. Then, instead of being inside, let's go outside. And while we've at it, let's get rid of the pins and replace them with guys. We'll spread those guys out, and get them to catch the ball instead of being knocked down.And instead of going back for a chug off the bottle, let's run around in a square.
Bowling becomes baseball, and Catholicism with different rules becomes...well, another religion.
Gotta say I'm irked about that Ted Kennedy thing though. And permitting Bill Clinton to take Communion really, really p****ed me off.
"not at all, one honors a man, the other was about a religion"
True, I can see your point. The problem is it's a fine line, since the man honored obviously is also a huge religious figure. Whether the situation should be considered a double standard or not depends on whether France does the same thing for non-religious people, too, who have a similar strong relationship to the country. Any French historians or poli-sci people out there?
Actually, I'd rather everyone just lighten up. Let the girl wear the headscarf, and let people lower the flag to the Pope, as long as nobody's forcing religious beliefs on people. Is that oversimplifying things?
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