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To: GerardPH

I'm still waiting...


35 posted on 04/09/2005 9:10:16 AM PDT by It's me
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To: It's me
My aren't you demanding? I do have a life outside of this you know.

I actually don't owe you any sort of lesson on this. I told you where to find the answers. You can wallow in ignorance or you can go and read it. It's not my responsibility to force feed it to you.

But here's a morsel to keep you busy.

UUS: When circumstances require it, he speaks in the name of all the Pastors in communion with him. He can also-under very specific conditions clearly laid down by the First Vatican Council- declare that a certain doctrine belongs to the deposit of faith.[152] By thus bearing witness to the truth, he serves unity.

95. All this however must always be done in communion. When the Catholic Church affirms that the office of the Bishop of Rome corresponds to the will of Christ, she does not separate this office from the mission entrusted to the whole body of Bishops, who are also "vicars and ambassadors of Christ".[153] The Bishop of Rome is a member of the "College", and the Bishops are his brothers in the ministry.

Vatican I: And it was to Peter alone that Jesus,after his resurrection, confided the jurisdiction of supreme pastor and ruler of his whole fold, saying:Feed my lambs, feed my sheep [44] . To this absolutely manifest teaching of the sacred scriptures, as it has always been understood by the catholic church, are clearly opposed the distorted opinions of those who misrepresent the form of government which Christ the lord established in his church and deny that Peter, in preference to the rest of the apostles, taken singly or collectively, was endowed by Christ with a true and proper primacy of jurisdiction. The same may be said of those who assert that this primacy was not conferred immediately and directly on blessed Peter himself, but rather on the church, and that it was through the church that it was transmitted to him in his capacity as her minister. Therefore,if anyone says that blessed Peter the apostle was not appointed by Christ the lord as prince of all the apostles and visible head of the whole church militant; or that it was a primacy of honour only and not one of true and proper jurisdiction that he directly and immediately received from our lord Jesus Christ himself: let him be anathema.

JPII is trying to turn the papacy on it's head. Instead of believing as the Church does, that he's infallible and his bishops must agree with him. He thinks he's not infallible unless he agrees with all of his bishops. He doesn't speak in their name. They speak in his.

And nowhere is Church history is there a "college of bishops" that is an entirely new concept out of Vatican II. It was formerly condemned as Gallicanism.

39 posted on 04/09/2005 4:40:34 PM PDT by GerardPH
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