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To: Vicomte13
If pro-life anti-abortion republicans are going to abandon the Republican party over the Terri Schiavo case and not vote, they will be acting like the first gradrers they have sounded like the last two weeks. They deserve Hillary Clinton as president and to lose control of the Senate. Hillary and a democratic Senate will really show them.

Go for it. You show them. My way or we put Hillary in. Some real brilliance here.

Keep it up.
75 posted on 04/05/2005 3:09:46 PM PDT by cajun scpo
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To: cajun scpo

"If pro-life anti-abortion republicans are going to abandon the Republican party over the Terri Schiavo case and not vote, they will be acting like the first gradrers they have sounded like the last two weeks. They deserve Hillary Clinton as president and to lose control of the Senate. Hillary and a democratic Senate will really show them."

And what difference, from the perspective of pro-life, would there be if the Democrats win back the Senate for a little while, or a long while?

The whole bargain was that pro-lifers support Republicans for decades, literally thirty-two years in the wilderness, with NO pro-life content of our laws yet and, when the Republicans eventually get majority power, they will install pro-life judges who will protect the sanctity of life and end abortion.

That was always the deal. It has never been anything different. And pro-lifers have been single-mindedly working towards that for thirty-two years.

Well, the Republicans have control. White House, both Houses of Congress, the majority of the federal judiciary, and in the Schiavo case the Florida State House, Governor's mansion and many seats in the judiciary too. Judge Greer is a Republican.

And when a clear issue involving life and death, the sacredness of life, and the question of erring on the side of life or death, the Republicans, with their majorities in 5 out of 6 of the branches of government that looked at the Schiavo case, collapsed completely and erred on the side of death and retreat in the face of pro-death stubbornness.

There was always the hope of the Nuclear Option to redeem the party's fortunes, but now you've got Bill Frist out there giving the finger to everybody who stood up for life against judicial murder.

So, what exactly have we got?
We have nothing.
Zero.
We have abortion on demand, a bold new euthanasia precedent, and Republicans walking as far away from the pro-life base as they can, as though we're radioactive.

Then there's folks like you here calling folks like me first graders, and threatening us with the boogeyman of Big Bad Hillary.

Got news for you, pal. Hillary cannot do any more damage to the pro-life cause than we've already got. We already HAVE abortion on demand, and a judicial precedent of euthanizing the infirm. We have a Republican majority we worked to install, who were supposed to stand up and stop that sort of thing, but they abandoned the field and made it PERFECTLY CLEAR they have no intention of actually fighting to the death on this.

So, what do WE get with Big Bad Hillary?
Absolutely nothing that we don't already have.
Death, death and more death.
With Republicans we've got death, death and more death...and oh, by the way, "We're with you guys".

Democrats do this with Blacks and get 90% of the vote.
Republicans are not going to be able to pull it off with pro-lifers.

On the other hand, if you're NOT a pro-lifer, what do you get with Big Bad Hillary? Higher taxes. Estate taxes and dividends taxes return. More economic regulation. Probably more gun control. All things that are mildly malefic and not at all conservative. All the things YOU care most about fall to ashes.

That does not have to happen.
To stop it from happening, YOU have to keep US in your coalition.
We are not terribly demanding.
What we are is very hard-minded.
We campaigned for 32 years for you for one specific thing. You have the power to grant that specific thing now. You are withholding it, and pretending that you don't have the power.

We know you do, and take you as either wimps or liars.
Just stop it.
Pass the nuclear option, give us OUR victory, for which we have worked so hard. That holds the coalition together, and keeps all of YOUR programs in place.

As it is, calling us a bunch of babies for demanding, as you economic conservatives did, that we get what we fought for isn't helpful. Us telling you that you have betrayed us, that you need to stop it right now, and that you need to pass the Nuclear Option, right now, to hold your coalition together is an exercise in honesty and truth. That's the way it is.
That is what it has come down to.

It needn't have.
The Bushes, or the Florida Senate, or some Republican judge could have done the right thing.
But they all caved.
And now Frist is continuing the retreat.

That ain't gonna fly.
And if we get President Hillary, it will be their fault, for leaving us behind and abandoning 32 years of campaign promises, not ours for being angry at being betrayed.

With President Hillary, we will still have a culture of death. But that persists under the Republicans, and right now we don't think you're going to lift a finger or fight the fight to change it.
But you'll lose your economic agenda.

To save your agenda you need to stop fighting with legitimately angry pro-lifers and tell your Senators to stop being idiots. If you don't want your taxes hiked by Dracula Clinton, pass the damned Nuclear Option.

It's that simple.


120 posted on 04/05/2005 4:13:27 PM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: cajun scpo
Go for it. You show them. My way or we put Hillary in. Some real brilliance here.

I guess the gutless wonders that caused them to leave, bear no responsibility? Why not go after the traitors, instead of the patriots, that won't follow them?

138 posted on 04/05/2005 5:09:34 PM PDT by itsahoot (If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
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