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Posted on 04/06/2005 10:47:50 AM PDT by quidnunc
A friend of mine asked me how I would answer the following question: "By what right does Israel exist? Why does the world need such a hell-hole of a country, an apartheid-racist-war-mongering-Jewish theocracy?" I suggested that she consider the question as an opening for a conversation about the "right to exist" rather than as a challenge to Israel's character or to its right — or lack thereof — to exist.
The last 65 years of Arab hate-speech, hate-preach, and hate-teach make it pretty clear that some significant part of the Arab world really does not want Israel to exist. That same segment really does the best it can to end Israel's existence, with 65 years of terror war punctuated by 3 major attempts at invasion, conquest, and destruction. The rhetoric of annihilation and the diatribe of genocide match the actions of these same Arab states, whose commitment of massive resources to the destruction of Israel is an implicit rejection of Israel's right to exist.
In a similar vein, 20 years ago, when Arafat agreed to recognize the state of Israel, his doing so was acclaimed far and wide as a great concession. Only a few had the perspicacity to point out that acknowledging the existence of a state that already existed was no great concession to anything except reality. However, since Arafat continued to run a terror war against Israel and proclaim his desire to destroy Israel, his "concession" about Israel's existence was nothing more than a superficial bid to gain support in the USA. His continued psychotic desire to destroy Israel was an implicit rejection of Israel's right to exist.
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Does such a stupid question have a right to exist?
Do rocks have a right to fall in a gravitational field?
Might as well ask "what right do Jews have to be alive?"
I think Germany thought the same way about Poland in 1939.
Aw, it hurts nothing.
But France, Mexico, Cuba
Venezuela . . .
"What about Lichtenstein? They don't add much to the world..."
Or North Dakota?
(dons flame-retardant suit)
Just kidding!
Does anything have a right to exist?
"Why does the world need such a hell-hole of a country, an apartheid-racist-war-mongering-Jewish theocracy?"
When someone starts a dialog with a question like this, you know you're talking to a liberal and any further discussion is pointless.
I asked a jewish friend about this "right to exist" question some years ago. He replied by asking me what right I had to live in my house. I told him that I had paid for it and had the paperwork to prove it. He replied with, "So what if I show up on your doorstep and just start moving my stuff in?". I told him that I would try to forcibly remove him, and if that failed I'd call the police. "Exactly" was his answer, "we all keep what we have by the threat of violence, and that even applies to the weepy, non-violence crowd."
Ditto.
And I'd like to ask just how Israel is a hateful racist state?
Of course, these are liberals - common sense does not apply to them.
Instead, its mish mash with a twister at the end, that does not even fit into context.
That's really what the "friend" and Arabs are asking.
1. Hellhole - Israel is a beautiful, modern country with a thriving tourist industry (when the Pals aren't blowing up buses every other day, that is).
2. Apartheid - Israel has over one million Arab citizens who might endure some personal discrimination, but nevertheless have full legal and voting rights. How many Jews are citizens living without fear in your average Arab country, like Saudi Arabia?
3. Racist - Israel brought in thousands of black Jews from Ethiopia. I have no doubt that they too endure some personal discrimination, human nature being what it is, but racists don't tend to give citizenship to people of other races.
4. War-mongering - Who started all the wars with Israel, or forced Israel to respond to repeated attacks (1982 Lebanon war)? The Arabs.
"He replied with, "So what if I show up on your doorstep and just start moving my stuff in?". "
Like what happened in 1948?
To over a million Jews in Arabic countries who were forced to leave.
The case is being made for a second Holocaust. Actually, the case never stopped being made even after the Allies stopped the first. No one has stood up strongly enough to it, of course, in the "interest of Middle East peace." Bad times are coming.
That sounds like either a liberal either fishing for an argument, an anti-Semite looking for an argument, or liberal fishing for some kind of affirmation of something she heard from a professor.
That question is loaded more than a gun at Phil Spector's house or a Johnny Cochran cross-examination.
I like to tell liberals who ask that kind of thing that since Israel was created by the United Nations it has every right to exist since the United Nations is perfect and doesn't make mistakes. It's fun to watch them fume and start making excuses about "rich white men" and such.
Exactly, just like my local police will back up my "right" to keep my house and property on what used to be land that belonged to the local Paiute tribe.
What right to exist do ignorant scum such as yourself have?
The quest for some "right to exist" granted by a mythical "world community" and bolstered by equally fictitious "international law" is a curious obsession of some Israeli Jews, and a lot of their American brethren.
Israel, like the United States and every other nation on earth has the right to what it can take and defend.
No more, no less.
"Does Israel have a right to exist"
Apparantely there ARE stupid questions. Of course it has the right to exist.
What would have happened to Arabs in Israel in 1948 if all the surrounding Arab countries had not declared war on Israel and attacked her?
Nothing. All the Arabs living in Israel would have kept their property and gone on living as they had done previously, albeit in a new state, rather than under the Turkish Ottomans or British mandate.
Deteriorata
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You have no right to be here.
Deteriorata, Deteriorata)
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Know what to kiss - and when. Consider that two wrongs never make a right,
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You have no right to be here.
Whether you can hear it or not,
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in your daily affairs, especially with those persons closest to you... That
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of most souls would scarcely get your feet wet. Fall not in love,
therefore, it will stick to your face. Gracefully surrender the things of
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get in your lunch. Hire people with hooks. For a good time, call 606-4311,
ask for Ken. Take heart in the deepening gloom that your dog is finally
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lot, it could only be worse in Milwaukee.
(You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
Whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.)
Therefore, make peace with your god, whatever you perceive him to be: hairy
thunderer or cosmic muffin. With all its hopes, dreams, promises, and urban
renewal, the world continues to deteriorate. GIVE UP!
(You are a fluke of the universe.
You have no right to be here.
Whether you can hear it or not,
The universe is laughing behind your back.)
Are you directing that at me personally?
Israel does. France does not.
Israel....What fighters these folks are.
Neitche not sure....
We've had enough pussyfooting around the heart of the matter.
Answer to the Liberal Questioner: "More inventions per capita for the health of mankind."
Answer to a true friend: "For bringing man closer to God."
Thanks for all your responses!
History lesson: Jews had been in Israel even after the Diaspora imposed by the Romans 2000 years back. The Arabs wanted nothing to do with that region, as they thought that desert was too harsh even for them. Jerusalem, oddly enough, was a predominately Christian city for the centuries following the Crusades.....it had a minor Arab population at best.
The reason the muslimes want Israel eliminated is found in the Koran, the Sunnah and the Hadiths: Any land occupied by muslimes, even if stolen from someone else (in short, when muslimes become squatters), is muslime forever (hence, the reasons Arabs still call Spain "al-Andalus"....it dates to the time before the Reconquista, and they have never accepted the Spanish reconquest of the Spanish homeland from the muslimes). Thus, the small Arab population (negligible, actually) present in the Holy Land when the Zionist movement began to resettle Jews in Israel in large numbers viewed the Jewish return as a violation of islime, and the Jews needed to be destroyed. This led, by the 1940s, to an Arab alliance with the Nazis (the Mufti of Jerusalem, Arafart's uncle, was a welcome guest several times in Berlin, and the Nazis raised some muslime Waffen-SS divisions, most notably "Handschar" in Bosnia), and the adoption of a "final solution" and "judenrein" attitude among the Arab countries toward the nation of Israel.
Bluntly, the Arabs are the interlopers. The Holy Land has been Jewish for 4000 years, and as a Catholic Christian, I will support to the end my Jewish bretheren in their fight to keep their promised homeland. God gave the Jews that land....and no idol worshipping followers of a pedophile false prophet can overrule God.
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"All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting."
George Orwell
The real question should be, as Rabbi Meir Kahane (Z"L) first raised it more than 30 years ago: Can Israel be both a Jewish State and a democracy at the same time? This dilemma is probably more responsible for Israel's current-day problems than anything else.
The answer is no! Had Israel followed through on that obvious answer ( you can't be both an exclusive and inclusive country at the same time), thrown out the Arabs, and populated the Land with Jews only, the purpose for which it was intended, the world would have screamed for 6 months, the UN would have authored umpteen resolutions against Israel, but it eventually would have been established that Israel was given by G-d to the Jewish people as a homeland for an eternal inheritance.
Israel has shown over the last 57 years, it can defend itself from attacks by an enemy that severely outnumbers their fighters, and has succeeded in defeating the enemy each time; not only because of Israel's prowess on the battlefield, but mainly due to Divine intervention. Sooner or later, the world would have caught on.
Because of the largely secular nature of Israel's government, their own leaders are intimidated by threats, and are ready to cede more Holy Land to an enemy that is only out to destroy Israel, one way or other. What a shame!!!
Thanks for your response re:#39
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
Its like asking if Terri Schindler had the "right to die".
You leave it up to the lefties and Israel would be a footnote in history.
Yes, especially on the thick skulls of jihadists.
THey can go back to ancient borders and give back a ton of the Middle East to Israel. Most of Egypt for starters....
This is a stupid country.
The real question is why should I carry on a discussion with someone who obviously has no intention of letting reality contradict their dogma.
She didn't want a discussion; she wanted you to listen to her soliloquy.
A friend of mine asked me how I would answer the following question: "By what right does Israel exist? Why does the world need such a hell-hole of a country, an apartheid-racist-war-mongering-Jewish theocracy?"
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