Anyone who overrate Hillary Clinton thinking he is being realistic does not understand politics either.
Hillary Clinton is an extreme liberal woman and she cannot hide form it. The 2004 election taught us that no one can fool the majority of voters by changing their true colors, people will know what is fake and what it is real and they are very good in seeing flip flops. If you think that Kerry was killed by his flip flops then you have seen nothing yet regarding Hillary Clinton.
America is not yet ready for a woman President, and for sure America is not ready for a left wing liberal woman like Hillary Clinton to be President. Hillary will do terribly among women voters, worse than any other Democrat before her. The majority of women do not like to see another woman in the most powerful post in history of mankind, the Presidency of the United States, and that is the woman nature. I know a bunch of young liberal women from Massachusetts who despise Hillary Clinton and cannot stand her, and they are ready to vote for a Republican like Guliani if both a the respective candidates of their party.
What we are going to see from some conservative corners, some on FR like yourself, is the overrating of Hillary Clinton beyond belief, and she they will keep telling us that she is the most formidable Democrat candidate to ever run for President, and on and on and on. We have seen all the gloom and doom scenarios in 2004 coming from some conservatives regarding Kerry and the Democrats crushing us, and we all know what happened.
In 2008 if Hillary run for President, we will see the "clowning" of American politics. Some people on this thread already made comments about her screeching voice and her laughable attempt to move the crowds.
Write on a piece of paper: "Hillary Clinton is a joke".
An extreme liberal woman ? Not according to this poll.
After all, no on in the Senate had a more extreme voting record as a cultural liberal than Kerry and look how close he got. Hillary can walk into a church and look as if she is used to being in one. Kerry never could. Hillary lived in Red America for years and knows its workings. Kerry never did. Kerry's Vietnam activities were of a more extreme nature than anything that can be attributed to Hillary but look how close he got. Hillary has the common touch. Kerry ? Don't get me started. Hillary will get minority votes that Kerry didn't get.
I know that Deaniacs hate her but with a solid base of minority support she will win the nomination. And a cultural liberal like Giulani flatly will not be the GOP nominee (if he were, the cultural conservatives would stay home and it would be Hillary in a cakewalk). The Deaniacs will grumble but vote for Hillary.
John Kerry was not killed by his flip flops. He was rated the most liberal senator, i.e., more liberal than Hillary (who voted for the war and funding it by the way),and still garnered 251 electoral votes. It was a very close election despite the 3 million vote difference. Kerry was killed by the SBVFT, despite being called "dishonorable and dishonest" by McCain and being condemned indirectly by the White House, which wanted all 527s muzzled.
I think you are naive if you believe that "no one can fool the majority of voters by changing their true colors." Bill Clinton did it twice.
America is not yet ready for a woman President, and for sure America is not ready for a left wing liberal woman like Hillary Clinton to be President. Hillary will do terribly among women voters, worse than any other Democrat before her. The majority of women do not like to see another woman in the most powerful post in history of mankind, the Presidency of the United States, and that is the woman nature. I know a bunch of young liberal women from Massachusetts who despise Hillary Clinton and cannot stand her, and they are ready to vote for a Republican like Guliani if both a the respective candidates of their party.
You can posit all the personal opinions you want about America not being ready for a woman President, but the polls show otherwise. Any anecdotal stuff about young liberal women in Mass being against Hillary is just that, anecdotal. Hillary will win Mass regardless along with NY, California, Illinois, Michigan, and all the other states won by Kerry and/or Gore. It will again boil down to a few key states and who the GOP nominee is.
What we are going to see from some conservative corners, some on FR like yourself, is the overrating of Hillary Clinton beyond belief, and she they will keep telling us that she is the most formidable Democrat candidate to ever run for President...
I have never said that Hillary can't be beat or that she is the most formidable Dem to run for President. That is nonsense. Hillary is a strong candidate for all of the reasons I have enumerated. She will not be running against an incumbent President, have lots of money, a top flight political organization, name recognition, and the ability to turnout minority and women voters. Faced with the possibility of permanent minority status, the Dems will do everything they ca to win this one. If the GOP nominates a Bob Dole like candidate, it will be no contest.
We have seen all the gloom and doom scenarios in 2004 coming from some conservatives regarding Kerry and the Democrats crushing us, and we all know what happened.
What happened with Kerry? Kerry was such a poor candidate with so much baggage, he should have been beaten soundly by an incumbent wartime President. Instead, Kerry received the second highest number of votes in history and narrowly missed being elected President with 251 electoral votes. He won every state Gore did except Iowa and New Mexico and won NH, which Gore lost. I repeat, I was not one of those who thought Kerry would win. I was very surprised that he made it that close.
In terms of electoral politics, America is a divided country. Both parties start out with a solid bloc of votes and fight for several key states.
In 2008 if Hillary run for President, we will see the "clowning" of American politics. Some people on this thread already made comments about her screeching voice and her laughable attempt to move the crowds. Write on a piece of paper: "Hillary Clinton is a joke".
What I am afraid of is that the joke may be on us. The first mistake would be to underestimate her.
Good post, I have a feeling the people who would turn on hillary would be women.
The other thing is I'm not so sure the Democratic party even wants her to run.. They have other people they can run, like some decent govenors. And they've got Kerry talking of running again..
Then John Edwards.. who I believe will sooner or later become President.. He is very smooth and sharp. Also much more moderate, not so much of an idealist.