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To: kabar; jveritas

On health care, it won't be the first time in history a politician won by losing. By having the voters say, "You were ahead of your time. You were right and we should have listened."

Frankly, jveritas, I think it will be Hillary's election to lose if she keeps doing what she's doing. There is such a need for a cultural conservative/economic populist now that the American people will be inclined to see what they want to see. Remember that back in 1992 the American people chose to believe what they wanted to believe about Clinton after the "bimbo eruption". If the GOP chooses a cultural liberal like Giuliani or an open borders pro illegal immigration type she can start picking the White House chef.

Back during NAFTA, I felt it would be a net minus for Democrats because like Peel in the Corn Laws, he was screwing his own base. NAFTA was a declaration that the New Democrat did not care about the economic interests or respect the values of blue collar Joe and cared only about latte liberals. After all, couldn't displaced factory workers go to community college and study Visual Basic and HTML ? It was a political blunder because the same Republicans who gave Clinton the "victory" on NAFTA went after his scalp on impeachment. I think Hillary is smart enough to recognize the shifting consensus away from free trade at all costs globalism.


149 posted on 04/08/2005 12:15:06 PM PDT by Sam the Sham (Free trade, open borders globalists will guarantee Hillary's victory)
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To: Sam the Sham; jveritas
Frankly, jveritas, I think it will be Hillary's election to lose if she keeps doing what she's doing. There is such a need for a cultural conservative/economic populist now that the American people will be inclined to see what they want to see. Remember that back in 1992 the American people chose to believe what they wanted to believe about Clinton after the "bimbo eruption". If the GOP chooses a cultural liberal like Giuliani or an open borders pro illegal immigration type she can start picking the White House chef.

Give it up sammy. Your shilling for hillary on FR is getting more than obvious.

Oh BTW, where is hillary side by side of the minutemen.

150 posted on 04/08/2005 12:19:02 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Sam the Sham; kabar

So according to you she will be President unless the Republicans nominate who? Can you give the name of three potential nominees? or at give three quality or issues for GOP candidate where he can beat Hillary Clinton? Let us hear your solution since you have been showing all the power of Hillary and all the problems of the GOP.


151 posted on 04/08/2005 12:19:59 PM PDT by jveritas
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To: Sam the Sham

" I think Hillary is smart enough to recognize the shifting consensus away from free trade at all costs globalism."

From her rhetoric she definately has picked up on that. But the powers behind the throne in the Democratic party are as pro-globalist if not more as the Republican party backers.

Having said that she can run on a moderately anti-globalist platform.. and tarriffs for blue collar workers.. then be a globalist when she is elected. No rule about that.


165 posted on 04/08/2005 1:10:11 PM PDT by ran15
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