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Cell Mates? (FBI find weapons, $34,000, passports, and a gruesome Arabic videotape in Memphis)
Memphis Flyer ^ | 4/15/05 | John Branston

Posted on 04/16/2005 6:00:36 AM PDT by Brian Mosely

O n April 4th, nine FBI agents executed a search warrant at the Raleigh home of a convicted felon named Rafat Jamal Mawlawi, a Syrian with dual citizenship in the United States. Mawlawi is suspected of organizing a scam to illegally bring Moroccan men into the United States by arranging sham marriages and engagements to women from Memphis.

What the FBI found was much more troubling: a hidden stash of loaded weapons and ammunition clips, $34,000 in cash, two pictures of Mawlawi shouldering a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a gruesome videotape of war casualties with Arabic text and voiceover, and more than 20 passports to Morocco, Syria, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries.

The agents were members of the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force. As outlined by prosecutors and agents in a federal courtroom last week, what they found could be evidence of a possible terrorist link in Memphis or something less sinister, as has proven to be the case in other investigations of Middle Easterners caught up in our legal system. The FBI investigation is ongoing.

"Mr. Mawlawi was a danger to the community," assistant U.S. attorney Fred Godwin told U.S. magistrate Tu Pham during the hearing last week to decide whether Mawlawi should be jailed or released on bond.

"He was planning to leave the country, and there is further indication that he was informed of an investigation against him," Godwin said. "If he gets to his home nation of Syria, our chance of ever getting him back is slim and none."

Mawlawi was detained pending trial, as was codefendant Karim Ramzi, a citizen of Morocco. In all, four Middle Eastern men and six Memphians were indicted last week on federal charges of conspiracy and violation of immigration laws. The Memphians accused of involvement in the sham marriages and engagements include the daughter, grandson, and former daughter-in-law of the Rev. James Netters, a founding member of the Memphis City Council and interim president of Memphis Light Gas and Water in 2004.

What has not previously been reported is the background of Mawlawi, which was outlined in the detention hearing before Pham, a handful of Justice Department employees, and four spectators on April 7th in a third-floor courtroom in the federal building.

Most Memphians are apt to think of Homeland Security in Memphis as airport security, a solitary Coast Guard boat cruising up and down the Mississippi River between the bridges, a police car parked on the shoulder of the interstate, or inspectors and dogs checking packages at the FedEx Super Hub. The Mawlawi case puts a different light on things.

Mawlawi, 54, is a naturalized U.S. citizen who served in the Navy for 12 years. He is also a citizen of his native Syria. He had a criminal record before being indicted last week. According to Memphis FBI spokesman George Bolds, in 1994, he was convicted on a felony count of fraud in California and did jail time. In 1993, records show he was arrested in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, but the charges were dismissed. Mawlawi failed to show up for an extradition hearing following one of his arrests and was picked up by authorities when he reentered the United States at JFK International Airport in New York. Records show that occurred in 1993.

It is not clear how long he has been living in Memphis. His one-story, brown brick house is on a corner lot three blocks from Craigmont High School. Since moving to Memphis Mawlawi had preached and conducted Muslim prayers with inmates at the Shelby County Penal Farm. He apparently came to the attention of the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force because of an inmate named Andre Dotson, serving time on a charge of aggravated robbery. Dotson wrote the FBI that he had evidence of a marriage scam and said Mawlawi had tried to recruit him.

As explained by FBI agent Robert Parker at the detention hearing, Dotson's information about the marriage scam was good but his trustworthiness was shaky. After contacting the FBI, Dotson told Mawlawi that he was being investigated. Then he wrote another letter to the FBI telling them that he had warned Mawlawi about the investigation.

As a result of all this, the investigation took on new urgency. On March 18th, agents did a "trash pull" of a garbage can outside Mawlawi's home and found printed copies of e-mails indicating he was corresponding with a school in Damascus and preparing to move his wife and family to Syria. During subsequent surveillance of the house, agents observed yard sales and a "For Sale" sign in the front yard. The sign was on the porch of the house last week.

When agents went to the house last week, Mawlawi and his wife were home, and boxes packed with clothing, toys, and other items were scattered around the living room. Mrs. Mawlawi said they were moving and leaving the country, but Mawlawi said they were moving to Arizona. He later changed his story and admitted they were moving to Syria.

Agents asked Mawlawi if he had any firearms in the house. He told them he had only a shotgun. He did have a shotgun, but that was not all. Inside a locked safe, agents also found a .9-millimeter Glock handgun, a .32-caliber pistol, and a .38-caliber revolver. The guns were loaded, and there were extra loaded ammunition magazines next to them in the safe.

Also in the safe was $30,000 in cash, although Mawlawi had previously told agents he did not make any money on the marriage scam. Agents found another $4,000 in cash in a bedroom, along with Moroccan and Bosnian passports and a Syrian passport for Mrs. Mawlawi. In all, agents found 20 to 30 passports -- some current and some expired -- in the names of the Mawlawis and their children. Passport stamps indicated Mawlawi had been to Iran and Pakistan, although he had told agents that he did not visit other countries near Bosnia.

Agents also found two pictures of Mawlawi shouldering a rocket-propelled grenade launcher. In one of them, the end-cap is removed so that the weapon is ready to fire. Mawlawi said the pictures were taken when he was in Bosnia in 1996 and 1997 working as an English teacher.

Also found was a videotape which starts with the words "al Mujahadeen" and pictures of a firearm. The voiceover is in Arabic, Parker said. The word "mujahadeen" has come into common use in news reports since the onset of the war in Iraq. It is variously translated as "those engaged in jihad," "holy warriors," "Islamic warriors," and "soldiers of God." The video shows graphic images of dead people with injuries "that appear to be from combat wounds," Parker said. Mawlawi does not appear on the tape. Videotapes of war casualties, beheadings, and other gruesome scenes are readily available via the Internet.

Mawlawi, a stocky man with black glasses, grey hair, and a salt-and-pepper beard, appeared in court last Thursday wearing a light-brown prison jumpsuit. A Middle Eastern woman with a scarf over her head sat in the back of the courtoom, shaking her head back and forth as the FBI agent testified. Mawlawi was represented by attorney Randy Alden of the U.S. public defender's office.

"The government is trying to paint Mr. Mawlawi as a very dangerous person," Alden told Magistrate Pham.

Alden said the government is overstating the danger. He said Mawlawi was honorably discharged from the United States Navy after serving 12 years. The passports to Iran and Pakistan had expired prior to the 9/11 terror attacks. Mawlawi might not have been in Pakistan since the 1980s, Alden said, and he was in Bosnia after the United Nations conflict. Alden did not explain why Mawlawi was photographed with the grenade launcher on his shoulder against a background that appears to be a snowy hillside.

Charged along with Mawlawi and Ramzi in the four indictments that were unsealed Monday were Omran Omer, a U.S. citizen, and Mhammed Kabouchi, a citizen of Morocco. Arraignments for Mawlawi and Ramzi were set for April 13th.

Morocco is home to several of the suspects in the March 11, 2004, terrorist train bombing in Madrid which killed 191 people. On April 1st, Moroccan Youssef Belhadj was extradited to Spain and arrested in connection with the train bombings. Another Moroccan, Farid Hilali, was arrested last year in London as a suspected accomplice of the Madrid bombers and possible plotter of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York City.

Authorities in Memphis were not characterizing the Middle Easterners in the alleged marriage scam as terrorists or terrorist sympathizers. The indictment makes no mention of terrorism, and the strongest word used in the detention hearings was "dangerous," and that was by Mawlawi's own attorney. However, the grainy copies of the photographs of Mawlawi holding a grenade launcher (from which the illustrations for this story were taken) were entered as exhibits in his court file.

"Our handling of the hearing will speak for itself," said U.S. attorney Terry Harris.

The indictment says that between November 2001 and September 2004, the defendants operated a marriage-for-profit scheme to get foreign nationals into the U.S. in violation of immigration laws.

"Rafat Jamal Mawlawi, assisted by Omran Omer, would recruit and pay United States citizens to travel out of the United States, arrange sham marriage engagements, and produce fraudulent applications for fiancee visas," the indictment says.

The indictment details several payments ranging from $110 to $2,300 in checks and cash to co-defendants and numerous trips between Memphis and Morocco by the alleged conspirators. The payments total $25,730.

On November 18, 2003, Chandra Netters married Karim Ramzi, who had filed an application for a non-immigrant fiancee visa four months earlier.

On January 14, 2004, Janet Netters Austin married Mhammed Kabouchi.

Kimberly Netters was recruited by Mawlawi to enter into a sham engagement with Abdelkada Kabouchi, the indictment says.

Chandra Netters Lofton Taylor, 47, is the daughter of the Rev. James Netters, and Janet Netters Austin, 50, is his former daughter-in-law. Rev. Netters could not be reached for comment. His wife told the Flyer he would have no comment.

Janet Netters Austin sings professionally using the name J.P. Netters, sometimes appearing with her husband James Austin, who is also a professional singer and former member of the singing group the Platters. She was released without bail following a court appearance last week. She declined to comment to a reporter.

Omran Omer was released on a $10,000 bond. His attorney, Bernie Weinman, declined to comment.

The defendants face a maximum prison sentence of five years and a fine of up to $250,000.

Marriages -- real and fake -- between American soldiers and foreign women were common during and after World War II, the Korean War, and the Vietnam War. The 1945 War Brides Act and Fiance Act of 1946 allowed foreign spouses and would-be spouses (as well as their children) of U.S. soldiers to become citizens. The Immigration Marriage Fraud Amendment became law in 1986. Since the terrorist attacks on the U.S., sham marriages to foreign nationals have begun to attract greater attention from immigration officials and the FBI. Last December, six people were indicted by a federal grand jury in Seattle in an alleged scheme to bring Vietnamese nationals into the U.S.

This is not the first federal immigration case in Memphis with Middle Eastern connections and overtones of violence. In 2002, five Middle Eastern men who came to Memphis from New York were arrested in a scheme to get fake driver's licenses. Katherine Smith, an employee at the driver's license testing station who was also arrested, died five days later in a burning car which was apparently deliberately set on fire. The case was investigated for possible terrorist connections but none were found. The men were held several weeks but eventually released and deported.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: fbi; jihadinamerica; jttf; mawlawi; terrortrials
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1 posted on 04/16/2005 6:00:36 AM PDT by Brian Mosely
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To: Brian Mosely
Make no mistake about it, they ARE here...and its only a matter of time before "something" happens...again.

Be vigilant.

2 posted on 04/16/2005 6:02:42 AM PDT by canalabamian (Diversity is not our strength...UNITY is.)
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To: Brian Mosely
This is awful. Terrorist have rights guaranteed by the US Constitution. The FBI must be stopped. </sarcasm off>
3 posted on 04/16/2005 6:04:33 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Brian Mosely

"Mawlawi, 54, is a naturalized U.S. citizen who served in the Navy for 12 years."

Let's see, infiltrate the military, politics, education, wall street, hmmmm....... anything left?!


4 posted on 04/16/2005 6:04:36 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Brian Mosely

The BushClintonBush administration's immigration practices come home to roost.


5 posted on 04/16/2005 6:08:28 AM PDT by dagnabbit (Vincente Fox's opening line at the Mexico-USA summit meeting: "Bring out the Gimp!")
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To: canalabamian

I'm just real glad I live in the sticks at this point.


6 posted on 04/16/2005 6:09:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: backhoe; MeekOneGOP

This wouldn't be a terrorist would it? Nahhhh....


7 posted on 04/16/2005 6:11:09 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Brian Mosely

'Janet Netters Austin sings professionally using the name J.P. Netters, sometimes appearing with her husband James Austin, who is also a professional singer and former member of the singing group the Platters'.

'On January 14, 2004, Janet Netters Austin married Mhammed Kabouchi.'




"Ohhhh, YES, I'm the Great Pretender...."


8 posted on 04/16/2005 6:13:40 AM PDT by bitt ("There are troubling signs Bush doesn't care about winning a third term." (JH2))
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To: Brian Mosely
He told them he had only a shotgun. He did have a shotgun, but that was not all. Inside a locked safe, agents also found a .9-millimeter Glock handgun, a .32-caliber pistol, and a .38-caliber revolver.--

I'm surprised that this rather mundane collection wasn't described as an "arsenal", but I have no doubt it will be used to call for gun control--

9 posted on 04/16/2005 6:14:45 AM PDT by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: poobear
Let's see, infiltrate the military, politics, education, wall street, hmmmm....... anything left?!

It seems that the terrorists have taken a page out of the Soviet playbook. The terrorists are extremely patient in their planning. They definitely plan for the long haul. It also helps them that we are politically correct.

10 posted on 04/16/2005 6:15:06 AM PDT by dc27
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To: Brian Mosely
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Good article! Thanks.

11 posted on 04/16/2005 6:17:03 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Brian Mosely
What the FBI found was much more troubling: a hidden stash of loaded weapons and ammunition clips, $34,000 in cash, two pictures of Mawlawi shouldering a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a gruesome videotape of war casualties with Arabic text and voiceover, and more than 20 passports to Morocco, Syria, Iran, and other Middle Eastern countries. ........."The government is trying to paint Mr. Mawlawi as a very dangerous person," Alden told Magistrate Pham.

Gee! Doesn't everyone have this type stuff? Why, He sound so pro-American and patriotic. Why would they think he was up to no good?(/s)

12 posted on 04/16/2005 6:19:24 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: cripplecreek
I'm just real glad I live in the sticks at this point.

Ya, same here. The only thing that worries me from a personal standpoint is if the terrorists unleash some hideous, scabrous disease. And even that probably wouldn't get me unless the deer are contagious. :)

13 posted on 04/16/2005 6:19:59 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Godzilla; Rushmore Rocks; Labyrinthos; JohnathanRGalt; rickylc; JustPiper; Calpernia; ...

((( TM ping )))


14 posted on 04/16/2005 6:20:33 AM PDT by appalachian_dweller (Until the borders are closed there is NO security. Get Prepared. Stay Prepared.)
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To: Brian Mosely
My wife has a 26 year old cousin that lives in Dallas and is WORTHLESS. She was approached and agreed to a marriage to a Saudi in which she receives $400 a month and a cell phone to contact the "hubby" in case officials come to her government subsidized apartment.
I called the FBI office in Dallas, the woman I spoke with was less than concerned.
15 posted on 04/16/2005 6:21:22 AM PDT by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: Brian Mosely

Like a tethered goat they (Jihadists) spend all day trying to figure out a way to get into your garden


16 posted on 04/16/2005 6:22:18 AM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: canalabamian; EdReform; Thinkin' Gal; mrflashrifle; dennisw; SJackson; MeekOneGOP; TrueBeliever9; ..
Make no mistake about it, they ARE here...and its only a matter of time before "something" happens...again.

 

  

Congressman refuses to probe illegal alien
terrorist cell in his own district

January 28, 2005 - Despite widespread news reports linking Moroccan Muslims to worldwide terrorism, Florida Congressman Ric Keller (R-8-FL) has declined to call for a formal FBI or Government Accounting Office (GAO) investigation of Orlando Homeland Security official Mary Schneider's concrete evidence of green card bribery of immigration officials by illegal Moroccan Muslims linked to a terrorist cell in Keller's central Florida congressional district--the hub of Sunshine State tourism and airline traffic.

Our interview with the Orlando immigration adjudication officer revealed that Keller, who is a member of the House Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism and Homeland Security told Mary Schneider "your problem is not a matter within the purview of a federal agency." Full Story

"It is a certain fact that not all Muslims are terrorists, but it is equally certain,and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims..."
Abdel Rahman al-Rashed, ARAB NEWS 9 September 2004

Holy War on the Home Front

Holy War on the Home Front:
The Secret Islamic Terror Network in the United States

(An excerpt) FROM THE PUBLISHER

"Nearly three years after 9/11, the war on terror is far from over. In fact, a leading terrorism expert argues that despite the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the efforts of the Department of Homeland Security, we're not really any safer at all.

Harvey Kushner, a respected adviser to the FBI, the FAA, the INS, and other government agencies, offers frightening new evidence of a unified Islamic terrorist network that is operating inside the United States and planning new opportunities to strike.

Kushner identifies and assesses the violent plans of these Islamic organizations and individuals who take advantage of our reluctance to engage in ethnic profiling. He supports his claims with never-before-seen documents from top-level government sources, exposing a secret network of Arab intelligence agencies, terrorists, university professors, corrupt imams and other religious leaders, and violent criminals.

Some members of this network are recent immigrants; others have been American citizens for years. Some are laundering money from abroad through seemingly innocuous charities and mosques. Some have even infiltrated our military as Arabic translators and Muslim chaplains..."

The influential Washington-based Center for Security Police recently unveiled a groundbreaking report entitled, "Terrorism Investments of the 50 States."   This report analyzes the investment portfolios of America's leading public pension funds.  The key finding of the report is that America's 87 largest and most influential pension systems invest some $200 billion in companies that provide revenues, advanced technology, equipment and moral cover to governments that enable terrorism.  (This detailed report and related materials can be obtained at www.DivestTerror.org.)

To be sure, there is nothing illegal about investing in any of the roughly 400 companies that partner with our enemies' friends.  Nor is it illegal for such companies to do business with terrorist-sponsoring regimes.  Whether the law prohibits such activities or not, however, we believe most Americans will agree with us that they are wrong â?" wrong morally, wrong strategically and wrong financially. 

Consequently, DivestTerror.org offers a "how-to" manual showing ways in which investors, taxpayers and other citizens can bring pressure to bear to convert this $200 billion investment into leverage that can be used to help defeat terrorism.  Reduced to its essence, the idea is this: By divesting the stock of these companies, public pension systems, university endowments and even individual investors can send a powerful message to the companies that provide life-support to many of the planet's most dangerous regimes. You can choose to continue to partner with rogue state regimes that aid and abet terrorism.  Or you can do business with American investors and capital markets.  But you can no longer do both. 

As the DivestTerror.org website makes clear, divestment campaigns have already proven to be highly effective instruments.  In fact, over the last twenty years, institutional and private investors have repeatedly used their financial leverage to initiate social change.  For instance, these efforts have been used to bring pressure on stocks of companies involved in tobacco, alcohol, gambling, guns and environmentally insensitive behavior.  Arguably, the best-known example to date was the shareholder activism that used divestment to force the apartheid government of South Africa to abandon its heinous apartheid policy.  Subsequently, that government was forced to surrender power. 

By applying this model to companies doing business in terrorist-sponsoring states, we hope to achieve a success no less momentous than that accomplished in South Africa.  All it will take is for Americans like you to feel empowered to play a role in the war on terror, to make known your views against investment in terrorist-sponsoring states and to use tools like those provided by DivestTerror.org to target and maximize the effectiveness of your activism.  Please visit this informative and useful site and to join in the campaign it is now waging to defeat those who threaten not only our lives, but those of our children and grandchildren, as well.

 

 

17 posted on 04/16/2005 6:25:11 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: canalabamian

They are not "here". Didnt you read the article. In the third paragraph it referred to "middle easterners caught up in our legal system". Who is more dangerous the enemy or the enemy within, such as the author of this article???


18 posted on 04/16/2005 6:25:40 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini ("Its for my brother he's got a nose like a vacuum cleaner" My favorite Roger Clinton quote.)
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To: AntiGuv
I'm just real glad I live in the sticks at this point.

Ya, same here. The only thing that worries me from a personal standpoint is if the terrorists unleash some hideous, scabrous disease. And even that probably wouldn't get me unless the deer are contagious. :)

You've got that right! Without a 4WD, we're stuck here all winter!

No wonder God wanted people to spread out. Imagine living in a major target area! Scary!

19 posted on 04/16/2005 6:26:09 AM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: canalabamian

Absolutely right. They're here and plotting 24/7. Something bad will happen here again. Thank God the FBI caught this guy, but will our justice system end up releasing him? Doubtless his 'rights' were violated somehow.


20 posted on 04/16/2005 6:26:40 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Dog; Straight Vermonter

Ping


21 posted on 04/16/2005 6:27:24 AM PDT by csvset
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To: cripplecreek
I'm just real glad I live in the sticks at this point.

Yeah! But you have to worry about the Chupacabra.

22 posted on 04/16/2005 6:27:44 AM PDT by Stentor
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To: Brian Mosely
I'm shocked this was written and published by the Memphis Flyer. They are about as left as the Minneapolis Red Star paper.

Maybe it's a pig and an acorn...

23 posted on 04/16/2005 6:28:52 AM PDT by Maigrey (Prayer Warriors for Malachi Whitlock http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1356532/posts)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March; PhilDragoo; Happy2BMe; devolve; yall

bump! bump! bump!


24 posted on 04/16/2005 6:31:17 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Luigi Vasellini

Islamofascists view the MSM as useful idiots, but that's baloney. The MSM know perfectly well what they're up to and why. They just don't care.


25 posted on 04/16/2005 6:32:04 AM PDT by hershey
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To: Brian Mosely
Dual citizenships with countries that sponsor terrorism should be cancelled. . .put on hiatus. . whatever. . .cross-travel like this man was able to enjoy should not be allowed.

Sounds like the making of a new 'cell' hoping to make a difference. . .

I am sorry they mention the 'informers' name; he should have the benefit of anonymity. . .

26 posted on 04/16/2005 6:37:14 AM PDT by cricket (Just say - NO U.N.)
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To: La Enchiladita

Check this out!


27 posted on 04/16/2005 6:39:38 AM PDT by Ros42
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To: dc27

F PC!


28 posted on 04/16/2005 6:39:38 AM PDT by poobear
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To: AntiGuv
I pity any fool who would attempt to launch a shooting attack around here. They would find themselves confronted with 75 to 100 heavily armed locals pretty quickly.
29 posted on 04/16/2005 6:45:42 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: canalabamian

Anyone read about this in the Washington Post or LA Times? I guess this doesn't rank as news. A copy of this article should be sent to all the "spineless" ones in Congress. Oh, I forgot, they're too busy fighting each other rather than actually do anything meaningful about "illegal" immigration. Apparently, defending this country comes in last after partisan bickering and pork barrel politics.


30 posted on 04/16/2005 6:48:38 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: dagnabbit
The BushClintonBush administration's immigration practices come home to roost.

What are you talking about?

SENATOR Edward Kennedy has been the godfather of America's immigration policy since the mid 1960s. No other figure in American politics bears as much responsibility as he for the current pathetic state of U.S. immigration affairs.

As chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration, Senator Kennedy has had chief oversight responsibility for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which he has allowed to degenerate into one of the most ineffective agencies in the Federal Government. He was the chief sponsor of the Immigration Amendments of 1965 and the Refugee Act of 1980, and a major proponent of the fraud-ridden 1986 immigration amnesty. In each case, he has grossly miscalculated the number of immigrants who would enter the country, the administrative burdens on the INS, and the magnitude of fraud.

31 posted on 04/16/2005 6:51:14 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: poobear

"anything left...?
Lots left to infiltrate: Real Estate, Banking,
Free Republic......


32 posted on 04/16/2005 6:53:27 AM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: willyboyishere

"Free Republic......"


I can't see an islamic extremist infiltration of Free republic. I do think there are islamic extremists in the DU trying to incite violence from the DUmmies. It's a constant drumbeat of calls to overthrow the govt over there.


33 posted on 04/16/2005 6:57:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: SheLion

Thank you for that ping.

When the FBI said a few weeks ago there were no terrorist cells here, or they couldn't find any, I was pretty discouraged that the agency seems so incompetent this many years post 9/11.


34 posted on 04/16/2005 7:00:23 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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To: canalabamian
Make no mistake about it, they ARE here...and its only a matter of time before "something" happens...again. Be vigilant.

I think things have already happened. I can't begin to list the number of peculiar incidents that have had "no terrorists links." The most memorable was the plane that crashed into Queens...ala a shoe bomber.

35 posted on 04/16/2005 7:03:21 AM PDT by Samwise (The sentence formerly known as tagline.)
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To: Peach

The FBI cant find their shoelaces. We are better off hiring street gangsters to find terrorists.


36 posted on 04/16/2005 7:05:03 AM PDT by international american (Tagline now flameproof....purchased from "Conspiracy Guy Custom Taglines"LLC)
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To: willyboyishere
I do a lot of research on the web regarding tax rolls, appraisals and such. About 1/3 of the vacant land I research belong to many Abdu's and Muhammad's. It's quite remarkable. Also, the commercial sales of gas stations with food sales are over half purchased by these types. They pay cash. Hmmmmm....
37 posted on 04/16/2005 7:08:47 AM PDT by poobear
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To: international american
"We are better off hiring street gangsters to find terrorists."



We've done it before. During WWII mobsters kept an eye on Americas shipyards and ports to watch for saboteurs and spies.
38 posted on 04/16/2005 7:08:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (I'm apathetic but really don't care.)
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To: hflynn

SENATOR Edward Kennedy has been the godfather of America's immigration policy since the mid 1960s. No other figure in American politics bears as much responsibility as he for the current pathetic state of U.S. immigration affairs.

As chairman of the Senate Subcommittee on Immigration, Senator Kennedy has had chief oversight responsibility for the Immigration and Naturalization Service, which he has allowed to degenerate into one of the most ineffective agencies in the Federal Government. He was the chief sponsor of the Immigration Amendments of 1965 and the Refugee Act of 1980, and a major proponent of the fraud-ridden 1986 immigration amnesty. In each case, he has grossly miscalculated the number of immigrants who would enter the country, the administrative burdens on the INS, and the magnitude of fraud.

It's Time For Ted To GO!!!!



39 posted on 04/16/2005 7:08:52 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Brian Mosely

Mr. President and congressmen: Why are these people given entry into the U.S.?

We aren't suffering a depopulation decline and so do not need to import any warm body that wants to enter this country, even though they may want to slit our throats.

How about a return to a sane, pre-1965 immigration policy wherein we allow entry only to those we NEED in this country? By definition, that would limit immigration to highly educated, highly skilled persons (not millions of tomato pickers) who will not likely be on welfare if seasonal work runs out.

It would also exclude immigrants from countries that produce terrorists. No exceptions, since you can't tell from looking whether an Islamist from the middle east only wants to engage in a profession here where he can make more money or whether he wants to fly a plane into a building. No more immigration from Moslem countries until they get their houses in order and quit producing terrorists.

Our president and congressmen have completely failed us on this issue and for that reason alone should be ousted.


40 posted on 04/16/2005 7:10:04 AM PDT by reelfoot
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To: Brian Mosely

"Mr. Mawlawi was a danger to the community," assistant U.S. attorney Fred Godwin told U.S. magistrate Tu Pham

Mr? Mr? What "Mister"?


41 posted on 04/16/2005 7:13:45 AM PDT by Marguerite
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To: Peach
When the FBI said a few weeks ago there were no terrorist cells here, or they couldn't find any, I was pretty discouraged that the agency seems so incompetent this many years post 9/11.

Peach...in my honest opinion...it's too late to close the borders.   They are already here among us.  They wear nice suits, have families, work at good jobs, belong to the PTA's.

But when they get THE CALL, they go.  And none of us know when and where and if.  They strike like thieves in the night.  Hit and runners.

America will never be the same America as we knew her.  This border business should have been shut down years ago.  But shutting it down now is like closing the barn door after the pigs got out.  Know what I mean?

And our FBI is full of chit.  They know a lot more then they want to admit.  They are just trying to avoid mass panic.  They are just trying to avoid having fingers pointed at them.  To me, our FBI can't protect a fly on a wall.  And that's my belief.

But if we ever get hit again, our FBI needs to be shut down immediately.  If they are so useless, then we don't need them!

42 posted on 04/16/2005 7:15:00 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Gunrunner2

ping


43 posted on 04/16/2005 7:15:26 AM PDT by Samwise (The sentence formerly known as tagline.)
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To: reelfoot
Our president and congressmen have completely failed us on this issue and for that reason alone should be ousted.

If you only knew how much money is being sent to Saudi by our own government every month, it would blow you away!

44 posted on 04/16/2005 7:16:53 AM PDT by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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To: Brian Mosely

They all have a pretty short memory. Didn't the Memphis DMV have a case where aliens were getting drivers license. The key witness was killed.


45 posted on 04/16/2005 7:17:38 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: poobear

More should be known about this, and more should be EXPLAINED, though even bringing up the question is frowned upon. There are gas stations all over NE New Jersey manned by surly looking "gentlemen" in turbans, Sikhs I suppose, who are to be carefully distinguished from Arabs, Muslims, and/or Terrorist types and sympathizers. It is the proverbial "crying shame". And if the almightly dollar didn't speak louder than anything, it would not be happening. I have NO use for these people, and I fear that they DO have a USE for us, and the foothold of presence that their "enterprises" give them in the community. Something's gotta give eventually.


46 posted on 04/16/2005 7:22:12 AM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: willyboyishere
"anything left...? Lots left to infiltrate: Real Estate, Banking, Free Republic......

My wife is a car nut, and we frequent auto auctions. There are plenty of "hispanic" and "Middle-eastern/european" men buying and selling. Buy here/pay here car lots abound in the DC metro area marketplace, and many are owned by them... deal-in-cash biznesses! No telling if they have passports or green cards. This IS VA/MD/DC...

Check out the MPT stories... One of them is below...

On a trip to DC for a funeral this week, I passed by a number of contractors crews working on the DC public roads and utilities. I do not remember seeing anything but hispanics. I'm they all were legal residents...(sarcasm off)


47 posted on 04/16/2005 7:22:40 AM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: cripplecreek

I was joking about the possible infiltration of FR, but I am sure there are lurkers who stoke the fires of their hatred by eavesdropping on us. If they tried to post, they would be discovered in no time, like so many others before them have been.


48 posted on 04/16/2005 7:24:40 AM PDT by willyboyishere
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To: sierrahome
OMG! Are you serious.

I have a similarly weird situation. A highschool friend married a shady, mean character from Morocco. She doesn't get paid but there are alot of weird "going ons" in that there relationship.

49 posted on 04/16/2005 7:25:35 AM PDT by riri
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To: SheLion

I agree with every single word you just said about this matter, SheLion.


50 posted on 04/16/2005 7:28:07 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons have pardoned more terrorists than they ever killed or captured.)
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