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Prophecy points to "Olive" Pope
The Telegraph Calcutta India and Reuters ^ | April 11, 2005

Posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:43 AM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 04/17/2005 12:39:44 AM PDT by NYer
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The "glory of the olive"? Hmm..


2 posted on 04/17/2005 12:40:50 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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It could even be a Pope of Jewish origin

If a jew ends up pope, I will start beliving the joos run the world bs.

3 posted on 04/17/2005 12:43:07 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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4 posted on 04/17/2005 12:44:16 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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(From the Catholic Encyclopedia 1913 edition)

The most famous and best known prophecies about the popes are those attributed to St. Malachy. In 1139 he went to Rome to give an account of the affairs of his diocese to the pope, Innocent II, who promised him two palliums for the metropolitan Sees of Armagh and Cashel. While at Rome, he received (according to the Abbé Cucherat) the strange vision of the future wherein was unfolded before his mind the long list of illustrious pontiffs who were to rule the Church until the end of time. The same author tells us that St. Malachy gave his manuscript to Innocent II to console him in the midst of his tribulations, and that the document remained unknown in the Roman Archives until its discovery in 1590 (Cucherat, "Proph. de la succession des papes", ch. xv). They were first published by Arnold de Wyon, and ever since there has been much discussion as to whether they are genuine predictions of St. Malachy or forgeries. The silence of 400 years on the part of so many learned authors who had written about the popes, and the silence of St. Bernard especially, who wrote the "Life of St. Malachy", is a strong argument against their authenticity, but it is not conclusive if we adopt Cucherat's theory that they were hidden in the Archives during those 400 years.

These short prophetical announcements, in number 112, indicate some noticeable trait of all future popes from Celestine II, who was elected in the year 1130, until the end of the world. They are enunciated under mystical titles. Those who have undertaken to interpret and explain these symbolical prophecies have succeeded in discovering some trait, allusion, point, or similitude in their application to the individual popes, either as to their country, their name, their coat of arms or insignia, their birth-place, their talent or learning, the title of their cardinalate, the dignities which they held etc. For example, the prophecy concerning Urban VIII is Lilium et Rosa (the lily and the rose); he was a native of Florence and on the arms of Florence figured a fleur-de-lis; he had three bees emblazoned on his escutcheon, and the bees gather honey from the lilies and roses. Again, the name accords often with some remarkable and rare circumstance in the pope's career; thus Peregrinus apostolicus (pilgrim pope), which designates Pius VI, appears to be verified by his journey when pope into Germany, by his long career as pope, and by his expatriation from Rome at the end of his pontificate. Those who have lived and followed the course of events in an intelligent manner during the pontificates of Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius X cannot fail to be impressed with the titles given to each by the prophecies of St. Malachy and their wonderful appropriateness: Crux de Cruce (Cross from a Cross) Pius IX; Lumen in cælo (Light in the Sky) Leo XIII; Ignis ardens (Burning Fire) Pius X. There is something more than coincidence in the designations given to these three popes so many hundred years before their time. We need not have recourse either to the family names, armorial bearings or cardinalatial titles, to see the fitness of their designations as given in the prophecies. The afflictions and crosses of Pius IX were more than fell to the lot of his predecessors; and the more aggravating of these crosses were brought on by the House of Savoy whose emblem was a cross. Leo XIII was a veritable luminary of the papacy. The present pope is truly a burning fire of zeal for the restoration of all things to Christ.

The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End." It has been noticed concerning Petrus Romanus, who according to St. Malachy's list is to be the last pope, that the prophecy does not say that no popes will intervene between him and his predecessor designated Gloria olivæ. It merely says that he is to be the last, so that we may suppose as many popes as we please before "Peter the Roman". Cornelius a Lapide refers to this prophecy in his commentary "On the Gospel of St. John" (C. xvi) and "On the Apocalypse" (cc. xvii-xx), and he endeavours to calculate according to it the remaining years of time.

The Prophecies

Pope No.
Name (Reign)
Motto No.
Motto (and explanation)
167 Celestine II (1143-1144) 1 Ex castro Tyberis
(from a castle on the Tiber)
Hist.: Celestin II was born in Citta di Castello, Toscany, on the shores of the Tiber
168 Lucius II (1144-1145) 2 Inimicus expulsus
169 Eugene III (1145-1153) 3 Ex magnitudine montis
(Of the greatness of the mount)
Hist.: Born in the castle of Grammont (latin: mons magnus), his family name was Montemagno
170 Anastasius IV (1153-1154) 4 Abbas Suburranus
171 Adrian IV (1154-1159) 5 De rure albo
(field of Albe)
Hist.: Born in the town of Saint-Alban
Antipope Victor IV (1159-1164) 6 Ex tetro carcere
Antipope Paschal III (1164-1168) 7 Via trans-Tyberina
Antipope Calistus III (1168-1178) 8 De Pannonia Tusciæ
172 Alexander III (1159-1181) 9 Ex ansere custode
173 Lucius III (1181-1185) 10 Lux in ostio
174 Urban III (1185-1187) 11 Sus in cribo
175 Gregory VIII (1187) 12 Ensis Laurentii
176 Clement III (1187-1191) 13 De schola exiet
177 Celestine III (1191-1198) 14 De rure bovensi
178 Innocent III (1198-1216) 15 Comes signatus
(signed Count)
Hist.: descendant of the noble Signy, later called Segni family
179 Honorius III (1216-1227) 16 Canonicus de latere
180 Gregory IX (1227-1241) 17 Avis Ostiensis
(Bird of Ostia)
Hist.: before his election he was Cardinal of Ostia
181 Celestine IV (1241) 18 Leo Sabinus
182 Innocent IV (1243-1254) 19 Comes Laurentius
183 Alexander IV (1254-1261) 20 Signum Ostiense
184 Urban IV (1261-1264) 21 Hierusalem Campaniæ
(Jerusalem of Champagne)
Hist.: native of Troyes, Champagne, later patriarch of Jerusalem
185 Clement IV (1265-1268) 22 Draca depressus
186 Gregory X (1271-1276) 23 Anguinus vir
187 Innocent V (1276) 24 Concionatur Gallus
188 Adrian V (1276) 25 Bonus Comes
189 John XXI (1276-1277) 26 Piscator Tuscus
190 Nicholas III (1277-1280) 27 Rosa composita
191 Martin IV (1281-1285) 28 Ex teloneo liliacei Martini
192 Honorius IV (1285-1287) 29 Ex rosa leonina
193 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 30 Picus inter escas
194 Nicholas IV (1288-1292) 31 Ex eremo celsus
(elevated from a hermit)
Hist.: prior to his election he was a hermit in the monastery of Pouilles
195 Boniface VIII (1294-1303) 32 Ex undarum benedictione
196 Benedict XI (1303-1304) 33 Concionator patereus
197 Clement V (1305-1314) 34 De fessis Aquitanicis
(ribbon of Aquitaine)
Hist.: was archbishop of Bordeaux in Aquitaine
198 John XXII (1316-1334) 35 De sutore osseo
(of the cobbler of Osseo)
Hist.: Family name Ossa, son of a shoe-maker
Antipope Nicholas V (1328-1330) 36 Corvus schismaticus
(the schismatic crow)
Note the reference to the schism, the only antipope at this period
199 Benedict XII (1334-1342) 37 Frigidus Abbas
(cold friar)
Hist.: he was a priest in the monastery of Frontfroid (coldfront)
200 Clement VI (1342-1352) 38 De rosa Attrebatensi
201 Innocent VI (1352-1362) 39 De montibus Pammachii
202 Urban V (1362-1370) 40 Gallus Vice-comes
203 Gregory XI (1370-1378) 41 Novus de Virgine forti
(novel of the virgin fort)
Hist.: count of Beaufort, later Cardinal of Ste-Marie La Neuve
Antipope Clement VII (1378-1394) 42 De cruce Apostilica
Antipope Benedict XIII (1394-1423) 43 Luna Cosmedina
Antipope Clement VIII (1423-1429) 44 Schisma Barcinonicum
204 Urban VI (1378-1389) 45 De Inferno prægnanti
205 Boniface IX (1389-1404) 46 Cubus de mixtione
206 Innocent VII (1404-1406) 47 De meliore sydere
207 Gregory XII (1406-1415) 48 Nauta de ponte nigro
Antipope Alexander V (1409-1410) 49 Flagellum Solis
Antipope John XXIII (1410-1415) 50 Cervus Sirenæ
208 Martin V (1417-1431) 51 Corona veli aurei
209 Eugene IV (1431-1447) 52 Lupa cælestina
Antipope Felix V (1439-1449) 53 Amator crucis
210 Nicholas V (1447-1455) 54 De modicitate lunæ
211 Callistus III (1455-1458) 55 Bos pascens
(grazing ox)
Hist.: Alphonse Borgia's arms sported a golden grazing ox
212 Pius II (1458-1464) 56 De capra et Albergo
213 Paul II (1464-1471) 57 De cervo et Leone
214 Sixtus IV (1471-1484) 58 Piscator Minorita
215 Innocent VIII (1484-1492) 59 Præcursor Siciliæ
216 Alexander VI (1492-1503) 60 Bos Albanus in portu
217 Pius III (1503) 61 De parvo homine
218 Julius II (1503-1513) 62 Fructus jovis juvabit
219 Leo X (1513-1521) 63 De craticula Politiana
220 Adrian VI (1522-1523) 64 Leo Florentius
221 Clement VII (1523-1534) 65 Flos pilæi ægri
222 Paul III (1534-1549) 66 Hiacynthus medicorum
223 Julius III (1550-1555) 67 De corona Montana
224 Marcellus II (1555) 68 Frumentum floccidum
225 Paul IV (1555-1559) 69 De fide Petri
226 Pius IV (1559-1565) 70 Æsculapii pharmacum
227 St. Pius V (1566-1572) 71 Angelus nemorosus
228 Gregory XIII (1572-1585) 72 Medium corpus pilarum
229 Sixtus V (1585-1590) 73 Axis in medietate signi
230 Urban VII (1590) 74 De rore cæli
231 Gregory XIV (1590-1591) 75 De antiquitate Urbis
232 Innocent IX (1591) 76 Pia civitas in bello
233 Clement VIII (1592-1605) 77 Crux Romulea
234 Leo XI (1605) 78 Undosus Vir
235 Paul V (1605-1621) 79 Gens perversa
236 Gregory XV (1621-1623) 80 In tribulatione pacis
237 Urban VIII (1623-1644) 81 Lilium et rosa
238 Innocent X (1644-1655) 82 Jucunditas crucis
239 Alexander VII (1655-1667) 83 Montium custos
240 Clement IX (1667-1669) 84 Sydus Olorum
(constellation of swans)
Hist.: upon his election, he was apparently the occupant of the Chamber of Swans in the Vatican.
241 Clement X (1670-1676) 85 De flumine magno
242 Innocent XI (1676-1689) 86 Bellua insatiabilis
243 Alexander VIII (1689-1691) 87 Pœnitentia gloriosa
244 Innocent XII (1691-1700) 88 Rastrum in porta
245 Clement XI (1700-1721) 89 Flores circumdati
246 Innocent XIII (1721-1724) 90 De bona Religione
247 Benedict XIII (1724-1730) 91 Miles in bello
248 Clement XII (1730-1740) 92 Columna excelsa
249 Benedict XIV (1740-1758) 93 Animal rurale
250 Clement XIII (1758-1769) 94 Rosa Umbriæ
251 Clement XIV (1769-1774) 95 Ursus velox
252 Pius VI (1775-1799) 96 Peregrinus Apostolicus
253 Pius VII (1800-1823) 97 Aquila rapax
254 Leo XII (1823-1829) 98 Canis et coluber
255 Pius VIII (1829-1830) 99 Vir religiosus
256 Gregory XVI (1831-1846) 100 De balneis hetruriæ
(bath of Etruria)
Hist.: prior to his election he was member of an order founded by Saint Romuald, at Balneo, in Etruria, present day Toscany.
257 Pius IX (1846-1878) 101 Crux de cruce
(Cross of Crosses)
Hist.:Pius XI was the last Pope to reign over the Papal States (the middle third of what is today Italy). He ended up being a prisoner of the Vatican, never venturing outside Vatican City. A much heavier burden than his predecessors.
258 Leo XIII (1878-1903) 102 Lumen in cælo(Light in the Heavens)
Hist.: Leo XIII wrote encyclicals on Catholic social teaching that were still being digested 100 years later. He added considerably to theology.
259 St. Pius X (1903-1914) 103 Ignis ardens
(ardent fire)
Hist.: The Pope had great personal piety and achieved a number of important reforms in the devotional and liturgical life of priests and laypeople.
260 Benedict XV (1914-1922) 104 Religio depopulata
(Religion laid waste)
Hist.: This Pope reigned during the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia which store the establishment of Communism.
261 Pius XI (1922-1939) 105 Fides intrepida
(Intrepid faith)
Hist.: This Pope stood up to Fascist and Communist forces lining up against him in the lead up to World War II.
262 Pius XII (1939-1958) 106 Pastor angelicus
(Angelic Shepherd)
Hist.: This Pope was very mystical, and is believed to have received visions. People would kneel when they received telephone calls from him. His encyclicals add enormously to the understanding of Catholic beliefs (even if they are now overlooked because of focus on the Second Vatican Council, which occurred so soon after his reign).
263 John XXIII (1958-1963) 107 Pastor et Nauta
(pastor and marine)
Hist.: prior to his election he was patriarch of Venice, a marine city, home of the gondolas
264 Paul VI (1963-1978) 108 Flos florum
(flower of flowers)
Hist.: his arms displayed three lilies.
265 John Paul I (1978) 109 De medietate Lunæ
(of the half of the moon)
Hist.: Albino Luciani, born in Canale d'Agardo, diocese of Belluno, (beautiful moon) Elected pope on August 26, his reign lasted about a month, from half a moon to the next half...
266 John Paul II (1978-2005) 110 De labore Solis
(of the eclipse of the sun, or from the labour of the sun)
Hist.: Karol Wojtyla was born on May 18, 1920 during a solar eclipse. He also comes from behind the former Iron Curtain (the East, where the Sun rises). He might also be seen to be the fruit of the intercession of the Woman Clothed with the Sun labouring in Revelation 12 (because of his devotion to the Virgin Mary). His Funeral occurred on 8 April, 2005 when there was a solar eclipse visible in the Americas.
267 ??? 111 Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order.
268 ???   In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.
(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

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5 posted on 04/17/2005 12:44:23 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer

Everything I have read over the last few days has said Cardinal Ratzinger will be the next Pope. I don't know if I believe that or not.


6 posted on 04/17/2005 12:50:06 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: null and void

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7 posted on 04/17/2005 12:51:23 AM PDT by Mo1 ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" ~ Pope John Paul II)
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To: k2blader
Do these prophcies predict winning numbers at Miami Jai-Alai?
8 posted on 04/17/2005 12:51:35 AM PDT by zarf
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To: NYer


9 posted on 04/17/2005 12:54:46 AM PDT by Flux Capacitor (Trust me. I know what I'm doing.)
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To: murphE; Gerard.P; vox_freedom
Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope would come from the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans. But at the age of 93, the only Benedictine cardinal is now too old to become Pope. The cut-off age is 80.

Just curious, is Cardinal Stickler a Benedictine?

10 posted on 04/17/2005 1:05:23 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: NYer

bttt


11 posted on 04/17/2005 1:07:41 AM PDT by lainde
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To: NYer

And just how accurate has this list been?


12 posted on 04/17/2005 1:26:16 AM PDT by Terpfen (New Democrat Party motto: les enfant terribles)
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To: rdl6989

I really hope Ratzinger does not become the Pope. I watched the interview a reporter tried to have with him on a Rome street. The reporter was asking him about the child abuse and the priests. The priest was in an ugly mood and swiped at the reporter while scolding him. This was a while back but this man seemed to be far from Pope material.


13 posted on 04/17/2005 1:31:34 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: zarf

I'm hoping that this prophet guy can't count.


14 posted on 04/17/2005 1:36:15 AM PDT by bannie (The government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul.)
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To: NYer

a Kalamata pope?


15 posted on 04/17/2005 1:37:41 AM PDT by wardaddy (They kicked my dog, he turned to me and he said...let's get back to Tennessee Jed!)
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To: NYer
Cardinal Martini - nothing more glorious for an olive than to end up in a martini!

Here is my submission for his new Papal insignia!


16 posted on 04/17/2005 1:39:36 AM PDT by paleocon patriarch ("Never attribute to a conspiracy that which can be explained by incompetence.")
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To: NYer

Read later.


17 posted on 04/17/2005 1:45:43 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: NYer

I wonder what the 113th pope will have to say about all this!


18 posted on 04/17/2005 1:46:31 AM PDT by AlaskaErik
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To: TheOtherOne

This last pope was considered Jewish from his mothers side. At least that is what I've come across. Not a practicing Jewish pope, however, but that is what I have read.

Not that there is anything wrong with that.


19 posted on 04/17/2005 2:00:54 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
"Malachy-watchers had long speculated the “Olive” Pope would come from the Order of Saint Benedict, a branch of which is known as the Olivetans. But at the age of 93, the only Benedictine cardinal is now too old to become Pope. The cut-off age is 80."

They should have stopped speculating 13 yrs ago.

20 posted on 04/17/2005 2:01:10 AM PDT by endthematrix (Declare 2005 as the year the battle for freedom from tax slavery!)
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To: oldironsides

I LOVE Ratzinger! I hope he DOES become pope, but I don't think it'll happen. He's very conservative and really knows his stuff. Most of the Cardinals think very highly of him, too. Don't let a little snippet of video guide your opinion of this fine man.


21 posted on 04/17/2005 2:03:41 AM PDT by IrishRainy
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To: NYer

Olive pope, mhm, black or green.


22 posted on 04/17/2005 2:03:49 AM PDT by television is just wrong (Our sympathies are misguided with illegal aliens...)
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To: oldironsides

There is an old saying: He who enters a conclave as a Pope exits as a Cardinal.


23 posted on 04/17/2005 2:06:13 AM PDT by rdl6989
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To: TheOtherOne

Cardinal Lustiger from France was born Jewish, as I recall, and converted.

LQ


24 posted on 04/17/2005 2:11:22 AM PDT by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: LizardQueen

The olive means that the new Pope might have olive skin or come from a group where many have olive skin.


25 posted on 04/17/2005 3:24:07 AM PDT by Dave Burns
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To: NYer
Believers in the prophecy will twist whatever happens so that they can say it fits "what was foretold". It happens all the time, the believers in Nostradamus claim that it you take happening X and make changes Y to it, you can see that Nostradamus "predicted it". As some one said," Seer's into the future have great hindsight.
26 posted on 04/17/2005 3:45:04 AM PDT by sticker
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To: NYer
I'm not a Catholic but was born in an area that a large portion of people were (between New Orleans and Mobile) so I am fairly familiar with the church but had never heard this about St. Malachy. Kind of reminds me of the visions of the Sisters of Fatima.....can't have too much of that info getting out!

Thanks NYer for the listing...very interesting!!!
27 posted on 04/17/2005 4:49:24 AM PDT by 4everontheRight ( "I'm learning to dread one day at a time" --- Charlie Brown)
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To: Larry Lucido

Pole Olive? I didn't even know she was Catholic!


28 posted on 04/17/2005 4:51:47 AM PDT by Maceman (Too nuanced for a bumper sticker)
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To: NYer

read later


29 posted on 04/17/2005 4:56:58 AM PDT by IdahoNative
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To: Maceman

I think you meant Pope Olive, unless you've secretly got a thing for her. :-)


30 posted on 04/17/2005 4:59:44 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: NYer

So what does Ratzinger have to do with olives?


31 posted on 04/17/2005 5:02:31 AM PDT by DaGman
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To: paleocon patriarch

That is very Austin Powers of you!


32 posted on 04/17/2005 5:03:01 AM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again!)
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To: NYer

Judging from you post it looks like Malachy's accuracy is about 25%.


33 posted on 04/17/2005 5:05:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Flux Capacitor

One good thing my friend Rossi told me , if we get the Olive Pope it won't be long before the arrival of the Martini Pope.


34 posted on 04/17/2005 5:05:20 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: k2blader

Maybe he will be a sour and rotund man given to eating pimentoes or, perhaps, a martini drinker.


35 posted on 04/17/2005 5:13:15 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Let's pull the feeding tube of the American left - Defund NPR/PBS/CBP and the LSC)
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To: NYer

if the new Pope, whoever he may be, has ever used an Olivetti typewriter at some time in his past - look out; another prophesy fulfilled.


36 posted on 04/17/2005 5:16:25 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: Dave Burns; NYer
Olive Pope also has been referred to as a Marian component, not sure how, so the thinking is that the next Pope could really emphasize Mary and the devotions to her.
37 posted on 04/17/2005 5:27:28 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: NYer
There are some serious problems with these Prophecies. It has all the hallmarks of a pious hoax.
38 posted on 04/17/2005 5:29:00 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: NYer
NBC just had some priest on talking about the selection and the upcoming conclave. (Father Reese)

He spoke of the secrecy, and said he's not a fan of it. He went onto say that the Cardinals would never lobby for themselves, but get other Cardinals to do it for them.

So much for praying to the Holy Spirit for guidance.

39 posted on 04/17/2005 5:31:00 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: NYer
Malachy sounds an awful lot like Malarkey.
40 posted on 04/17/2005 5:32:23 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is a terrible thing to waste.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

Olive Pope???
41 posted on 04/17/2005 5:34:54 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer
Prophecy of St Malachy (with list of Popes)

The Prophecies of St. Malachy

42 posted on 04/17/2005 5:38:41 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sandyeggo; St. Johann Tetzel; Pyro7480; Cronos; Kolokotronis; Siobhan; Father; tlRCta; ...

Cardinal Ignace Moussa Daoud, Prefect of Oriental Churches adjusts his hat during a Mass for Pope John Paul II celebrated by Cardinal Pierre Sfeir Nasrallah, Patriarch of the Antioch for Maronites, in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican,Thursday, April 14, 2005.

Odds - slim to none; Profile - perfect match.

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43 posted on 04/17/2005 5:43:56 AM PDT by NYer ("America needs much prayer, lest it lose its soul." John Paul II)
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To: NYer

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44 posted on 04/17/2005 5:47:58 AM PDT by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: k2blader

I think it means he likes Italian food. :)

If the next pope is Italian, I'm right!


45 posted on 04/17/2005 6:01:04 AM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Dominick; NYer
There are some serious problems with these Prophecies. It has all the hallmarks of a pious hoax.

I have to agree with you here. This reminds of all the hoo-ha over the "prophecies of Nostradamus", who . . . as Cecil Adams (somewhat) famously said, "did for B@!!$#*+ what Stonehenge did for rocks."

Note that only some of the phrases are translated - probably nobody can figure out how to make the others match up. (Of course, often little is known about the early popes.)

The clincher for me is that the list LEAVES OUT some of the antipopes . . . the easy way to make a sequential list "come out right" is to monkey around with the order.

46 posted on 04/17/2005 6:02:06 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: NYer

“the city of seven hills” — Rome - Babylon


47 posted on 04/17/2005 6:15:04 AM PDT by bahblahbah
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To: Northern Yankee
"so the thinking is that the next Pope could really emphasize Mary and the devotions to her."

John Paul II was called "Mary's Pope". It would be great if the next Pope was also very openly devoted to her.
48 posted on 04/17/2005 6:40:01 AM PDT by NewCenturions
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To: NYer
The last of these prophecies concerns the end of the world and is as follows: "In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock amid many tribulations, after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End."

I have read this prophesy for the 111th as well. A number of end-times virulently anti-Catholics are using this prophesy like it's gospel. It fits nicely with their "The world will end in 2007. One generation after the land of Israel was restored".

The temple has still not been rebuilt, there are NO animal sacrifices going on in the non-existant nw temple AND the real estate on which the temple will be rebuild has not been cleared.

This could be nearly as bad as the Y2K hysteria. Jesus Christ himself said that only the Father knew when the end would be, but for all to be ready at anytime. So why do we think that a 12 century monk would have the inside track?

49 posted on 04/17/2005 6:40:12 AM PDT by Jaded (My sheeple, my sheeple....)
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To: NYer

Remember that a Pope does not have to be a Cardinal. He could be a Bishop, priest, or layman.


50 posted on 04/17/2005 7:29:08 AM PDT by Eternally-Optimistic (anything is possible)
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