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Earth’s gravity may lure deadly asteroid
The Times (UK) ^ | April 18, 2005 | By Nigel Hawkes

Posted on 04/18/2005 7:21:31 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: aculeus

Oops. That should've been;

Don't worry, we'll die before then.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1385922/posts


61 posted on 04/18/2005 8:04:23 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Steely Tom

The planets and rocks transfer kinetic energy between themselves. Earth would change direction a little and the asteroid would change direction a lot more. They could even speed up or slow down.


62 posted on 04/18/2005 8:06:47 AM PDT by RightWhale (50 trillion sovereign cells working together in relative harmony)
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To: bondserv

> So Jupiter hasn't been the solar system vacuum for billions of years?

Yes, it has. But 2004MN4 is in a reasonably circular orbit, very similar to Earths. Jupiter has served to hoover up the asteroids and comets in highly elliptical or hyperbolic orbits that come somewhat near it. What large planets like Jupiter do is take care of very eccentric orbits; Jupiters effect on circular orbits distant from it is just minor chaotic orbit tweaking.

Not sure this link will work right, but what the hey:
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/db_shm?sstr=2004+mn4&group=all&search=Search

> Those comets and asteroids have been awfully plentiful on our short life spans.

As they have in all human lifetimes. In fact, it certainly seems that impressive, naked-eye comets have been in short supply for a few generations. I've only seen one or two naked-eye, and I would've missed both had I not known to look for them. Whereas the 1910 approach of Halleys Comet lit up the sky, as did many previous comets. The sky seems to have been rather quiet of late.


63 posted on 04/18/2005 8:07:10 AM PDT by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: Judge Roy
Well it could change earth orbit and put us closer to the sun and cause globel warming.

Don't you mean:

Gobel warming?

64 posted on 04/18/2005 8:08:13 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (When we are tolerant, we should be careful to note whether it stems from convenience or conviction.)
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To: aculeus

Bleh. I hope it lands on Saudi Arabia.


65 posted on 04/18/2005 8:10:22 AM PDT by Ashamed Canadian
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To: The_Victor

Well, according to the calculator, nothing major happens on a global scale. The collision would be survivable by many in a city.

This is accounting for a 1,000 ft IRON meteor coming in at 50 degrees (most likely is 45) hitting ANY area.

Why are we worried now?


66 posted on 04/18/2005 8:11:46 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: Ashamed Canadian
Bleh. I hope it lands on Saudi Arabia.

Gawd no, then they'll have another one to worship.

67 posted on 04/18/2005 8:13:01 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (When we are tolerant, we should be careful to note whether it stems from convenience or conviction.)
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To: aculeus

Observations:

This one is about 1000 times the mass of the one that formed the big crater in Arizona.

1/10th the Earth-Moon distance is VERY close.

The perturbing effect of a near Earth pass-by on the asteroid's orbit will have an unpredictable effect on the path of its future orbits, and when something unuusually close is given a randomizing change, the odds are vastly in favor of a change moving it farther away.


68 posted on 04/18/2005 8:13:10 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Your FRiendly FReeper Patent Attorney)
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To: aculeus

WEEEEESA GONNA DIIIIEEEE!!!

}:-)4

69 posted on 04/18/2005 8:13:40 AM PDT by Moose4 (Richmond, Virginia--commemorating 140 years of Yankee occupation this month.)
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To: George Smiley
Write your congressman and demand more restrictive gravity control laws NOW!

Gravity is a function of mass, and SUV's have mass, therefore if we ban SUV's we're safe, right?

70 posted on 04/18/2005 8:13:54 AM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: aculeus

Nothing to worry about.
The Mullahs already predicted that America is going to end in 2007, and some Inca calendar ends in 2012, proving, therefore, that the world will end long before the asteroid returns from its 2029 close encounter.

Therefore, be of good cheer. The asteroid can't hit us. We'll be dead already.


71 posted on 04/18/2005 8:15:05 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Kawin waasikwa'anansin moowish.)
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To: aculeus
Although they are sure that it will miss us, they are worried about the disturbance that such a close pass will give to the asteroid’s orbit. It might put 2004 MN4 on course for a collision in 2034 or a year or two later: the unpredictability of its behaviour means that the danger might not become apparent until it is too late.

I would think the answer is obvious...destroy it in 2029 when it is only 25,000 miles away. Anything that remains will be too small to cause any problems on the second pass in 2034 or later. That gives us 24 years to think of a way to do it.

Heck, the people on Jupiter did the same thing to the Shoemaker-Levi comet. Broke it up into smaller harmless pieces so it wouldn't slam into their planet on the second pass.
Although, to be fair, I believe they had help from the Galactic Council and were provided plans for a giant Sonic Atom Smasher to do the job.

72 posted on 04/18/2005 8:19:32 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk)
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bump to myself. This is a classic FReeper thread if I ever saw one. Of course, we'll all be dead of Avian Flu or Marburg before any asteroids cleanse the planet.


73 posted on 04/18/2005 8:21:02 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Thank you St. Jude for favors granted.)
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To: The_Victor

I believe a half kilometer width object is assessed as significant enough to alter life on earth as we know it. I believ a half-KM width is the bar for tracking efforts now in place.

I think I read that a KM(kilometer)-wide object impacting earth is assessed as civilization ending (ie, extinction or close to it).

Check out 1999 AN's planned visit in 2044.
http://www.iac.es/galeria/mrk/1999an10_eng.html

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news018.html
This page has some information but I truly do not expect it to contain the entire scuttlebutt. I do not expect the public to be informed or warned of what the government may know or expect to be the truth, especially in such a lengthy outyear. The USG/Brit Govt got a lot more proactive on NEO programs in the late 1990's...check out the "Eros" mission...timing and explanation of why.

I believe in mid-late 1990's perhaps we had a near-miss after the fact, that caught everyone by surprise. Maybe, as 2027 approaches, we can expect some more feel-good movies from Hollywood, like "Deep Impact", to reassure people that "the big one" will miss us or we will survive it.

So just keep paying the mortgage and credit card bills, for now. Maybe 40-year mortgages are not such a bad idea!

A couple more sites I bookmarked some time back.
http://impact.arc.nasa.gov/
http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/iau/NEO/TheNEOPage.html


74 posted on 04/18/2005 8:22:42 AM PDT by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: aculeus
chances of a direct hit on Friday, April 13, 2029
75 posted on 04/18/2005 8:24:57 AM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† || Iran Azadi || Where are we going, and why are we in this handbasket?)
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To: silverleaf
I believe a half kilometer width object is assessed as significant enough to alter life on earth as we know it. I believ a half-KM width is the bar for tracking efforts now in place.

I posted a link to an impact calaulator in reply #50. A 1000 ft Dia iron asteroid would not provide any global scale problems.

76 posted on 04/18/2005 8:25:58 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: GOPologist

I refuse to even think about going around thinking like that.


77 posted on 04/18/2005 8:26:04 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (Question of the week: Can you think country music sucks and still be a Conservative?)
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To: aculeus
...Friday, April 13, 2029...

Gives new meaning to "Friday the 13th."

78 posted on 04/18/2005 8:28:18 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: aculeus

This could be the answer to our social security problem.


79 posted on 04/18/2005 8:29:35 AM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: silverleaf

Only prob with all of that is that this is a 1/3rd KM object. much smaller.


80 posted on 04/18/2005 8:29:58 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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