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Islam Getting Slammed From Above?
Arutz Sheva ^ | 4-17-05 | Beth Goodtree

Posted on 04/18/2005 4:14:20 PM PDT by SJackson

Being fairly non-religious, I believe on alternate days in an actively participating G-d and on the others, I believe in a G-d who merely created everything and then took off on a permanent vacation. But I do know enough to recognize a pattern when I see one. And I am seeing a pattern of natural disasters that seemed deliberately aimed at some of the main population centers of Islam.

There is a very good website, which I check out twice daily, that lists all earthquakes around the world. It even gives a map for those of us who can't tell latitude from attitude and longitude from long underwear. It's run by the US Geological Survey and can be found at http://neic.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin. There are also several good sites that provide daily updates of natural disasters, including earthquakes, hurricanes, volcanoes and the like. I check those out on a daily basis, too. I've been doing it since I became computer literate, in 2000.

Way back then, I noticed a distribution pattern in the earthquakes. They'd be fairly evenly scattered across the globe, with only occasional concentrations in one area, and then immediately going back to an even distribution across the globe. But recently, I noticed a change in this pattern.

Now, it is said that God does his work on Earth through nature. For example, it is quite possible that the column of smoke by day and fire by night that the escaping Israelites saw after their Exodus was, in fact, the plume from a volcano. This same volcano may also have been responsible for the plagues brought upon the Egyptians due to their slavery of the Jews.

We know from recent volcanoes that a huge eruption can cause darkness over the lands for many hundreds of miles. One of the plagues was the plague of darkness. Also, the rivers turned to blood and the fish died. This too could have been caused by an extreme volcanic eruption. Some volcanoes contain iron oxide, which is red. A massive eruption could have caused the fallout of iron oxide in the rivers of Egypt, killing off the fish.

Regarding the plague of boils, hundreds of people ended up in hospital emergency rooms with skin sores and rashes after the Mount Saint Helens eruption due to exposure to the acidic fallout ash. This same fallout caused livestock to perish or to be destroyed due illness from prolonged inhalation of the volcanic dust.

Of course, the fiery hailstorm to plague Egypt as described in Exodus is a common occurrence when a huge volcano blows. When Mount Saint Helens erupted in 1980, it caused a cloud of pellet-sized volcanic debris to fall like hail. Burning pumice from the sky set fires on the ground, destroying trees and houses. Lightning flashed all over the area, created by the enormous turbulence inside the volcanic cloud. For days, volcanic debris fell like hailstones, flattening crops for miles around.

This coincides with what is written in the Bible about what happened to Egypt.

Exodus 9:23-4: "So there was hail, and fire flashing up amidst the hail, very grievous, such as had not been in all the land of Egypt since it became a nation. 4. And the hail smote throughout all the land of Egypt all that was in the field, both man and beast; and the hail smote every herb of the field, and broke every tree of the field."

In fact, most of the plagues can be attributed to a super eruption. And it just so happens that there was a super eruption at the time of the Exodus. It was on the Greek island of Thera, which is now called Santorini.

Santorini is a bay over six miles across that is actually a crater formed by the eruption of Thera. Evidence suggests that sometime around 1500 BCE, a gigantic volcanic eruption all but destroyed the island of Thera. Judging by the size of the crater - over thirty square miles - the Thera eruption has been estimated to have been over twenty times bigger than the Mount St. Helens eruption.

In addition, pumice samples taken from the seafloor show that the wind at the time was blowing towards Egypt. And Egypt is less than 500 miles away - certainly close enough to be severely affected by such a huge eruption.

If something looks like a snake, slithers like a snake, hisses like a snake and downs mice whole like a snake, I'm gonna jump on a table and start screaming, because I know it's a viper. The same goes for acts of God wrought through nature. On the days that I believe God is just a tourist somewhere, having created the world and left it to its own devices, I remember the Exodus and Thera. It cannot be a coincidence. And I realize that maybe, at the very least, He phones home once in a while, to right wrongs and do the various things a deity is wont to do.

Which brings us back to Islam. Over the past few years, the Muslim world has been ramping up its rhetoric and lies, hatred and acts of violence against Jews in general and Israel in particular. Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion have become best sellers in the Middle East and the Muslim parts of Asia. Muslims have been accusing Jews of doing everything from using Arab babies to make matzoh to stealing their babies to harvest their eyes and other organs.

And of course, the Muslim world is calling for the destruction of Israel and targeting Jews in utterly bestial acts of genocidal murder, often keeping body parts, dipping their hands in Jewish blood and dancing in wild, joyous abandon.

Unfortunately for the Arabs, although they'd like to convince the world differently, the Muslim headquarters, population-wise, is not in Arabia but Asia. Specifically Indonesia, which has the most Muslims in the world in a single country. And Indonesia has been under constant onslaught by nature, perhaps initiated by the Almighty, for months.

Even before the tsunami of December 26, 2004, I had noticed an increase of earthquakes in that area. And since the tsunami, the frequency of the earthquakes has been increasing dramatically. On top of that, many of their volcanoes have awakened. And if you look on the USGS map of earthquakes, you will see Indonesia being ringed with tremors. So, too, are some of the nearby countries, but only in certain areas. If you look at a map and a chart of demographics of these countries, you will see that the areas affected are predominantly Muslim. Makes ya' think....

Indonesia and these other areas affected by recent earthquakes and volcanoes have been quite antagonistic towards Israel and Jews. Indonesia, for example, is the training headquarters for several Islamist terror groups. It has also been so hateful of Jews that when Israel offered aid after the tsunami, the offer was at first rejected out of hand, then grudgingly accepted, with the admonition that no Jews would be allowed to go to Indonesia to help - they'd only take Jewish money and goods. However, a few days ago, the Indonesians apparently had recovered enough, partly from Jewish aid flowing in to them, to stage an anti-Israel rally with an estimated 80,000 to 100,000 people.

For Jews, 'tis the season of miracles. We recently had the miracle of survival celebrated by Purim and we're coming up on Passover, the miracle of our escape from bondage by the Egyptians. Could we be seeing another miracle in the making?

History has shown that any country or government or regime that does not accept the Jewish people will fall. The Romans, the church of the Inquisitors, Stalin's Russia, Hitler, the USSR - all have fallen after they began demonizing the Jews. And the tiny population of Jews survived it all and even thrived, despite our enemies' best efforts to exterminate us, with overwhelming money, odds and military might.

I read recently that the tectonic plate that Indonesia is on has fractured. Could this be the final warning to them to mend their ways regarding Jews and Israel? And could this most recent anti-Israel rally be the straw that will sink their precious country beneath the waves? And if Indonesia goes under the ocean, will all the other Muslims who live to hate Israel and Jews take warning? Or will they say it was a Zionist plot, thereby sealing their own fates?

Stay tuned to this channel, when next week we present "Unrepentant Muslims Blame Allah's Wrath on the Jews."


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1 posted on 04/18/2005 4:14:20 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.

She starts it Being fairly non-religious, I believe on alternate days in an actively participating G-d and on the others, imo to be read tongue and cheek, though I'm sure the comment's won't all be.

2 posted on 04/18/2005 4:15:27 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: SJackson

I recall some of the first pictures from Sumatra and the tsunami was some guy running around with a Bin Laden T shirt on.


3 posted on 04/18/2005 4:18:23 PM PDT by putupjob
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To: SJackson

I vote for Zionist plot.


4 posted on 04/18/2005 4:18:41 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Now that I'm in the DC area I can see where all my tax dollars have been going)
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To: thoughtomator

I vote that it a dangerous game trying to guess the mind of God.


5 posted on 04/18/2005 4:20:06 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan
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To: SJackson

The planet and our soldiers have been giving islamic people a pounding lately.


6 posted on 04/18/2005 4:20:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (I don't suffer from stress. I am a carrier!)
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To: SJackson
The problem with the theory is that last time Krakatoa went off ~ and I mean really big time ~ in 538 AD it set off a planet-wide catastrophe called the DARK AGES.

This affected primarily Arien Christianity and Northern Buddhism.

It also helped bring about the creation of Islam in the next century~!

As far as the area around Krakatoa was concerned, they'd been Hindu for centuies ~ once the area started getting repopulated, this time on the two islands of Sumatra and Java (which had previously been one island), they abandoned Hinduism and adopted Islam.

7 posted on 04/18/2005 4:23:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
The problem with the theory is ...

Don't forget, the author writes frequent humor pieces.

8 posted on 04/18/2005 4:30:35 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: SJackson

btt


9 posted on 04/18/2005 4:30:54 PM PDT by dennisw ("Sursum corda")
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To: muawiyah; MeanWestTexan
Agree with both of you. The article is a load of tripe.

The author pretends to be "irreligious" but the last paragraph really reveals the true intent. I don't mind intent but I don't respect pretensions.

Also, if God really wanted to harm Islam, it would be through the heart of Islam, Mecca, not through killing a bunch of poor Indonesians.
10 posted on 04/18/2005 4:33:56 PM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: SJackson
Humor?

I usually never have a good laugh when a major volcano goes off in Indonesia!

11 posted on 04/18/2005 4:35:49 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: razoroccam
The author pretends to be "irreligious" but the last paragraph really reveals the true intent. I don't mind intent but I don't respect pretensions.

The last paragraph?

Stay tuned to this channel, when next week we present "Unrepentant Muslims Blame Allah's Wrath on the Jews."

That's a simple fact. There have been a number of documented sermons in the Arab world blaming the tsunmi on the Jews. ??

12 posted on 04/18/2005 4:40:01 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: SJackson

You go, God !!!

I Slam Islam !!!

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13 posted on 04/18/2005 4:44:58 PM PDT by GeekDejure ( LOL = Liberals Obey Lucifer !!! -- Impeach Greer !!!.)
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To: SJackson

It's something to think about. I've always felt that is why the US has prospered so and have been given one of the most beautiful countries in the world was because of our support for and protection of Israel. I fervently believe if we ever stop supporting Israel, our country will go downhill and fast.


14 posted on 04/18/2005 4:45:58 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: razoroccam

I'd be careful thinking we can know what God does or doesn't do. Our ways are not His ways.


15 posted on 04/18/2005 4:48:01 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: SJackson

"the Muslim headquarters, population-wise, is not in Arabia but Asia. Specifically Indonesia, which has the most Muslims in the world in a single country. And Indonesia has been under constant onslaught by nature, perhaps initiated by the Almighty, for months."

Interesting point. But Indonesia, as a whole, is less militant than many other Muslim countries. Have there been natural disasters in the Arab Muslim countires?


16 posted on 04/18/2005 4:54:53 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: muawiyah
The problem with the theory is that last time Krakatoa went off ~ and I mean really big time ~ in 538 AD it set off a planet-wide catastrophe called the DARK AGES.

Several scientific papers have recently debunked this; they can't find any ash layer from a Krakatau eruption in 538 AD.

However, as is typical, you'll not see a big deal made of this in the popular media or on TV documentaries.

17 posted on 04/18/2005 4:55:03 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SJackson

I think this is an interesting article. And I will admit, I considered (briefly) the same train of thought after December 26, 2004. And it wouldn't be a stretch to think that some in Islam may have considered it too.

The best way to approach this is with a 'wait and see' attitude, and certainly not to ignorantly dismiss it out of hand.

Who are we to judge if God has a hand in this? How could one possibly be sure? And no, I am not Jewish.


18 posted on 04/18/2005 4:57:55 PM PDT by Adiemus
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To: SJackson
An incredibly stupid article....

And I am seeing a pattern of natural disasters that seemed deliberately aimed at some of the main population centers of Islam.

The 8.7 quake in March basically only did damage and killed people on the Indonesian island of Nias, and nowhere else in Indonesia; Nias is unusual in Indonesia in that 90% of its population is Christian.

So, so much for the whole imbecilic theory of the article.

There is a very good website, which I check out twice daily, that lists all earthquakes around the world.

Unfortunately nothing leads to more nonsense then the uneducated staring at these maps.

In fact, most of the plagues can be attributed to a super eruption. And it just so happens that there was a super eruption at the time of the Exodus. It was on the Greek island of Thera, which is now called Santorini.

The eruption of Thera was not a "super eruption" by any standard; it was a large eruption, but it was trivially small (several hundreds times smaller) than the Yellowstone or Toba eruptions. It was only 1/4th the size of Tambora in 1815.

And Indonesia has been under constant onslaught by nature, perhaps initiated by the Almighty, for months.

Indonesia has been under constant onslaught by nature for millions of years; long before anyone there converted to Islam or there were even humans there. The volcanoes were all there long before there was Islam and there were giant tsunamis and quakes there routinely long before Islam.

The simple-minded seem to view disasters as things that specifically happen to certain groups of people; actually what has happened is certain groups of people move into areas where disasters have been occuring for millions of years.

Even before the tsunami of December 26, 2004, I had noticed an increase of earthquakes in that area. And since the tsunami, the frequency of the earthquakes has been increasing dramatically.

The author seems to not even vaguely understand the concept of "aftershocks."

On top of that, many of their volcanoes have awakened.

What actually happened is that the media has decided to give more attention to Indonesian volcanoes since 12/26/04.

At any given time 2-4 Indonesian volcanoes are erupting, and this has been true for centuries. There's nothing particularly unusual or extreme about current Indonesian volcanic activity.

19 posted on 04/18/2005 5:05:47 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: muawiyah
The problem with the theory is that last time Krakatoa went off ~ and I mean really big time ~ in 538 AD it set off a planet-wide catastrophe called the DARK AGES

I watched a program on History Ch last night that said Tambora was the 'bang' of all bangs.

???

An early day British colonist heard the booms going off and assumed there was a naval battle going on. One day later he was being pelted with ash........he was 400 miles from ground zero.

They chronicled the effect on the atmosphere / climate / crops......unbelievable.

They compared the usual 'big boom' yardsticks (# of Hiroshima size atomic bombs blast equivlient, # of cubic meter / kilometers of now missing dirt/rock, # of feet the stuff was sent into the atmosphere, etc) between Mt St Helens, Krakatoa and Tambora.

Mt St Helens, of course, was nothing more than a mere firecracker.

Tambora threw (forget # of cubic kilometers, wish I would have recorded it) the top 1/3 of the mountain 30 - MILES - into the atmosphere.

According to the program, it is active - and no one is monitoring the beast.

LVM

20 posted on 04/18/2005 5:07:27 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: muawiyah

Oh I do...


21 posted on 04/18/2005 5:10:20 PM PDT by d2e
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To: muawiyah

Got a link on the previous explosion? That sounds like an interesting theory...


22 posted on 04/18/2005 5:11:54 PM PDT by swilhelm73 (Appeasers believe that if you keep on throwing steaks to a tiger, the tiger will become a vegetarian)
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To: Strategerist
535 AD/ 538 AD ~ depends on how you count the years.

Before that year Krakatoa was a volcano ON land. After that year Krakatoa was a volcanic cauldera UNDER water.

The fellow in UK who came up with the idea said the explosion was so big it launched the magma far beyond the stratosphere ~ the result is no big deposits anywhere.

23 posted on 04/18/2005 5:12:53 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: razoroccam

"Also, if God really wanted to harm Islam, it would be through the heart of Islam, Mecca, not through killing a bunch of poor Indonesians."

How do you know?


24 posted on 04/18/2005 5:16:41 PM PDT by jwh_Denver (The Good News of the Gospel of Christ really is Good News!)
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To: LasVegasMac

They carefully differentiate between the Tambora explosion in the 1800s and earlier explosions by use of the word "history".


25 posted on 04/18/2005 5:16:43 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SJackson

Careful. Tragedies happen everywhere, and to fine people.
Was the holocaust God's wrath against Jews? 911 God's wrath against Americans? Why do nice people get cancer, or lose children to pedophiles?


26 posted on 04/18/2005 5:17:04 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: SJackson

Getting slammed from above would be good!
I also think it's a message from G-d...
" No one in their right minds should live on volcanic islands , especially active ones on a very active tectonic plate."

I don't know- living in huts, squatting in the dirt etc, in 2005 seems so....prehistoric.


27 posted on 04/18/2005 5:17:14 PM PDT by ClearBlueSky (Whenever someone says it's not about Islam-it's about Islam. Jesus loves you, Allah wants you dead!)
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To: ARridgerunner

Maybe not a joke.


28 posted on 04/18/2005 5:19:27 PM PDT by Allan
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To: mlc9852

Our country has prospered because of our military and hard work. If we don't prosper it will be because we are the new Roman Empire.


29 posted on 04/18/2005 5:20:29 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: SJackson
For example, it is quite possible that the column of smoke by day and fire by night that the escaping Israelites saw after their Exodus was, in fact, the plume from a volcano. This same volcano may also have been responsible for the plagues brought upon the Egyptians due to their slavery of the Jews.

First, Volcanos do not follow tribes around the desert for 40 years.

Second, if God was judging the Islamic nations, there wouldn't be any Islamic nations left.

30 posted on 04/18/2005 5:22:38 PM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: ClearBlueSky

Evolution just hasn't caught up to them yet.


31 posted on 04/18/2005 5:25:57 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: mlc9852

"I'd be careful thinking we can know what God does or doesn't do. Our ways are not His ways."

That's the wisest statement on this thread. But as you know people have in the past, do now, and will in the future always use God for their own political means. When God is on your side, you can kill and be right, judge and be right, know His will, etc.. The biggest problem I see with religion is militant extremism. In Islam, in Judaism, in Christianity, etc.. That's where all the angry people itching for a fight are--on the extreme end, claiming they know what God wants, promoting hatred in His name.


32 posted on 04/18/2005 5:26:57 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: muawiyah
The fellow in UK who came up with the idea said the explosion was so big it launched the magma far beyond the stratosphere ~ the result is no big deposits anywhere.

That's a giant crock. No matter how big the eruption you get deep deposits near the eruption( and downwind) and smaller eruptions farther way.

33 posted on 04/18/2005 5:29:53 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: SJackson
And I am seeing a pattern of natural disasters that seemed deliberately aimed at some of the main population centers of Islam.

Way back then, I noticed a distribution pattern in the earthquakes. They'd be fairly evenly scattered across the globe, with only occasional concentrations in one area, and then immediately going back to an even distribution across the globe. But recently, I noticed a change in this pattern.

I think you are attempting to make fact fit your theory.

They'd be fairly evenly scattered across the globe, with only occasional concentrations in one area, and then immediately going back to an even distribution across the globe.

That, my friend, does not work - in the land mass known as the USA, let alone the entire planet.

You are using - what? - as historical data for your proof. Suppressed giggle inserted here.

I've been doing it [monitoring the USGS] since I became computer literate, in 2000.

That is all well and good. Except for the fact that you are leaving out just a couple million years of recent history when it comes to geology and related events.

Tell me how your theory accounts for the Alaska quake in '64 - biggest in North America. Or the big plate bender in Chili. Or the 3 days of hell in New Madrid?

I would bet there were only a handful of Islamic followers in those three locations, at the time.

Do you understand the concept of time - from the geologic perspective?

Do yourself a favor and Google, "Ring of Fire" - then read.

SJackson, I'm not getting in your face - by any means, honest. But what you just said does not square with what we know about geologic events.

Now, with that said........

I hope you are right!

LVM

34 posted on 04/18/2005 5:31:06 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: Strategerist
"Near" the eruption in question you now find open ocean. Contemporary records report that before this particular explosion Sumatra and Java were ONE ISLAND.

You really have to take a look at where this particular volcano is located these days.

35 posted on 04/18/2005 5:32:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SJackson
True, the author does write humorous pieces, but I'm reminded of the Dec.7 1988 Armenian earthquake.

Armenia is largely Christian and had been in fights with the neighboring muslim Azerbaijan. The earthquake killed thousands of Christian Armenians, and the neighboring muslim Azerbaijanies celebrated, even holding up signs thanking allah for it. Let's face it, we're all at the mercy of nature.

36 posted on 04/18/2005 5:35:39 PM PDT by xJones
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To: muawiyah
They carefully differentiate between the Tambora explosion in the 1800s and earlier explosions by use of the word "history".

Ok, chill. Don't start the "looking over the glasses" thing at me.

I had always heard / read that Krakatoa was the biggest.

Perhaps I heard wrong, not paying full attention, etc.

But it was my understanding that they were saying "recorded history".

I am probably wrong - for the first time in my life. :)

But I will watch the show again - with record on.

And I have your screen name. :)

If I had my life to do over again, I'd be the person you see with the backdrop of a 1,000 ft curtain of fire.

LVM

37 posted on 04/18/2005 5:41:31 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: RaceBannon
First, Volcanos do not follow tribes around the desert for 40 years....Second, if God was judging the Islamic nations, there wouldn't be any Islamic nations left.

Pillars of fire and smoke do not a volcano make. As to your second, you're right.

38 posted on 04/18/2005 5:45:28 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: xJones
Let's face it, we're all at the mercy of nature.

Something about not fooling mother nature, but why bring paganism or margerine commercials into the thread.

39 posted on 04/18/2005 5:47:44 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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To: Clintonfatigued

Ahhh....Have you heard of East Timor? It was an Indonisian effort to wipe out christians and re-settle the place with muslim indonisians. Or how about the riots in the last few years with an estimated 10,000 dead indonisian christians.


40 posted on 04/18/2005 5:55:05 PM PDT by eatdust
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To: SJackson

What! It wasn't Bush that did it? Now that's hard to believe!


41 posted on 04/18/2005 5:57:25 PM PDT by Waco
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To: eatdust

I've heard of East Timor, which took place in 1975. Now the riots are news to me.

But it would be interesting to know if there has been a large number of natural disasters in Arab Muslim countries.


42 posted on 04/18/2005 6:00:42 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued
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To: SJackson
Something about not fooling mother nature, but why bring paganism or margerine commercials into the thread.

I didn't, but if you want me to I will.

43 posted on 04/18/2005 6:04:21 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Clintonfatigued
Have there been natural disasters in the Arab Muslim countires?

Yes...It's called the U.S. Military...

44 posted on 04/18/2005 6:20:22 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: followerofchrist
The biggest problem I see with religion is militant extremism. In Islam, in Judaism, in Christianity, etc.

If you're not a militant extremist, you're just a faker...God tells you to be an extremist in the Bible...Allah tells you to be an extremeist in the Koran...Nothing worse than a mamby-pamby liberal Christian who can't or doesn't want to figure out what God wants him to do...

Not picking on you but man those sissy Christians wear me out...

45 posted on 04/18/2005 6:33:39 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: putupjob
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46 posted on 04/18/2005 6:34:44 PM PDT by mastercylinder (Evolution: Taking care of those too stupid to take care of themselves.)
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To: muawiyah
The problem with the theory is that last time Krakatoa went off ~ and I mean really big time ~ in 538 AD it set off a planet-wide catastrophe called the DARK AGES.

A slight problem with that: The "Dark Ages" refers to the period following the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Goths when past knowledge and learning were lost, only to be gradually recovered during the Renaissance, NOT to a lack of light. Secondly, there is no geologic evidence to show that Krakatoa erupted in the 500s.

47 posted on 04/18/2005 6:40:21 PM PDT by Bombardier (That which doesn't kill me is going to wish it had as soon as I recover!)
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To: Bombardier; muawiyah
Secondly, there is no geologic evidence to show that Krakatoa erupted in the 500s.

Don't let facts intervene in a good story.

48 posted on 04/18/2005 6:43:13 PM PDT by xJones
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To: Bombardier
No, the fall of the government of the Western Roman Empire happened in the 5th century ~ the Dark Ages began, in earnest in the 4th decade of the 6th century.

We know that because the Chinese Dark Age began at the same time and had absolutely nothing to do with a Gothic coup d'etat.

49 posted on 04/18/2005 6:43:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Waco
What! It wasn't Bush that did it? Now that's hard to believe!

Bush and the neocons (would that make a great country group) can make a tsunamai anywhere and anytime.

50 posted on 04/18/2005 7:14:53 PM PDT by SJackson (The first duty of a leader is to make himself be loved without courting love, Andre Malraux)
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