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To: hedgetrimmer

Hello HT,
Please post some of your links here on this subject.
I know you are very well informed on this subject.

Perhaps you can help school Ben Finklin on this matter.
(See his #12 post.)


31 posted on 04/19/2005 9:20:46 AM PDT by FBD ( "A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." ~Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: FBD; raybbr; Ben Ficklin
Totalization: Sellout of American Workers

When George W. Bush became President in 2001, the Mexican government expected the United States to pass amnesty (disguised as a guest worker plan and "regularizing" the entry of Mexicans). After 9/11, Mexico's national policy turned to increasing the number of its nationals working in the United States and getting them to qualify for all the social benefits and privileges Americans receive, from driver's licenses to Social Security and Social Security Disability.

The Social Security commissioners of both Mexico and the Bush Administration signed a totalization agreement in June of 2004, but the text of the agreement has been kept secret. Maybe we will be permitted to see it after the President approves it and sends it to Congress.

Social Security proposal for Mexico Ruffles Feathers

The few Americans able to benefit from the totalization (around 3,000 Americans work in Mexico, compared to the 9.2 million Mexicans living in the United States) would not receive as many positive effects as Mexicans would from American Social Security. The U.S. system helps low-wage earners by giving them far more then they contribute, while Mexican Social Security gives the worker only exactly what they contribute, along with accrued interest, Dinerstein explained.

Dinerstein said that the Mexican government officials are pressuring the United States to accept their agenda through repetition of two points. They say that the United States should focus on the war on terror and stop harassing immigrants who only want a better life, and that it is only fair for Mexico to be treated like Canada, another U.S. Social Security partner. But Dinerstein maintained that Mexico's situation is fundamentally different then other Social Security partner countries and that this agreement would hurt America financially.

Mexamerica

The amount of American dollars flowing to Mexico could soon skyrocket. The Bush Administration is reportedly negotiating a “totalization” agreement with Mexico that would allow Mexicans who retire to their native land to get monthly Social Security checks south of the border. While this would put an added drain on Social Security just as Baby Boomers are starting to retire, advocates argue that to do any less than this would rob immigrants. A cynic might observe that this could persuade millions of aging Mexican retirees to return to Mexico to become a burden on its healthcare system instead of ours.

The North American Free Trade Agreement signed into law by President Bill Clinton implies that not only goods but also labor should be allowed to move across the fading U.S.-Mexican border. By such reasoning, why not let Social Security checks cross the border, even if this flow makes the U.S. poorer and Mexico richer? It is the osmotic pressure of Mexico’s poverty that propels so much of its population through our porous border in search of a better life.

The criminal raid on Social Security

While innocent babes who have yet to earn a penny are threatened with jail time for misusing Social Security cards, the Bush administration appears set this week to turn the ailing government pension program into an international relief fund for illegal alien workers who used counterfeit Social Security cards and stolen numbers to secure illegal jobs.

The bureaucrats call this scheme "totalization." Try total prostration. The proposed agreement is nothing more than a transfer of wealth from those who play by the rules to those who willingly and knowingly mock our own immigration and tax laws. What are we doing promising lifetime Social Security paychecks to day laborers in Juarez when we can't even guarantee those benefits to workers here at home?

Unbelievably, the White House is trying to convince us to embrace this global ripoff because it "rewards work." No, it rewards criminal behavior. The plan will siphon off the hard-earned tax dollars of American workers who may never see a dime of their confiscated earnings and fork it over to foreigners guilty of at least four acts of federal law-breaking: crossing the border illegally, working illegally, engaging in tax fraud and using bogus documents.
36 posted on 04/19/2005 9:49:54 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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