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Pope Recalls Being German POW
Fox News & AP ^ | April 19, 2005

Posted on 04/19/2005 1:38:13 PM PDT by yoely

BERLIN — In May 1945, thousands of German prisoners of war trudged down the highway toward the Bavarian town of Bad Aibling (search). Among them — tired but grateful to be alive — was 18-year-old Joseph Ratzinger (search), who just days before had risked death by deserting the German army.

"In three days of marching, we hiked down the empty highway, in a column that gradually became endless," the new pope recalled years later in his memoirs.

"The American soldiers photographed us, the young ones, most of all, in order to take home souvenirs of the defeated army and its desolate personnel."

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KEYWORDS: benedict; benedictxvi; gloriaolivae; pope; ratzinger
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1 posted on 04/19/2005 1:38:16 PM PDT by yoely
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To: yoely

Awesome post--thanks for it! Couldn't be more timely, with the MSM and the Left clamoring for dirt or controversy...


2 posted on 04/19/2005 1:39:23 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: yoely

"A local teacher, he remembered, became an ardent follower of the new movement, and tried to institute a pagan May pole ritual as more fitting of Germanic ways than the traditional, conservative Catholicism."

May Pole = Asherath Pole.

Liberalism = Satan.

Some things never change.


3 posted on 04/19/2005 1:41:46 PM PDT by henkster (When democrats talk of "the rich," they are referring to anyone with a private sector job.)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

he was a nazi.......shezam!


4 posted on 04/19/2005 1:41:46 PM PDT by Ff--150 (But My God shall supply all your need)
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To: Ff--150
"...had risked death by deserting the German army."

Hitler forced young men to join up and punished those that didn't. His desertion disqualifies him from being a Nazi. I've heard that his father was against Hitler as well.
5 posted on 04/19/2005 1:46:19 PM PDT by mad puppy ( "He's with me!" And I'm with W.)
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To: jcb8199
For years, he and his family had watched the Nazis strengthen their grip on Germany. His father, a policeman and a convinced anti-Nazi, moved the family at least once after clashing with local followers of the party. A local teacher, he remembered, became an ardent follower of the new movement, and tried to institute a pagan May pole ritual as more fitting of Germanic ways than the traditional, conservative Catholicism.

The Nazis were anti-Christian? That's not going to sit well with the left.

6 posted on 04/19/2005 1:46:28 PM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: yoely

Oh, no. What has the Catholic church become?

Denote sarcasm.

Great post, yoely.


7 posted on 04/19/2005 1:46:59 PM PDT by writer33 ("In Defense of Liberty," a political thriller, released in March. Buy it. I need new shoes. :))
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To: yoely

He's a hero. And someone was spreading a story that he was a Nazi. For God's sake!!


8 posted on 04/19/2005 1:47:39 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy ( Theresa Marie SCHINDLER - We will NEVER FORGET! - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: yoely
Oh boy what was the Vatican thinking by putting a former German who was in WWII? You know something is going to come out of this.
9 posted on 04/19/2005 1:47:54 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: yoely

BUSH's (sr) fault


10 posted on 04/19/2005 1:48:16 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (The MRS wanted to go to an expensive place to eat so I took her to the gas station.)
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To: jcb8199

Having been in Hitler Youth or Hitler's army in Germany at that time means nothing. I knew another very holy priest, Fr. Karl Patzelt, who had also been conscripted into Hitler's army. He was taken from a Jesuit seminary and sent to the battlefield as a stretcher bearer (because the men sent out to pick up the wounded during the battle often got killed themselves, and seminarians were clearly expendable).

Unfortunately for him, he was captured by the Russian Army and spent 10 years in a Gulag. When he emerged it was with the desire to preach to the Russian people. He changed to the Byzantine Rite and became a Jesuit whose mission it was to prepare for the fall of Communism. For many years, he was the pastor of Our Lady of Fatima Church in San Francisco. He was one of the few genuinely holy priests I have ever met.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 1:49:08 PM PDT by livius
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To: Saundra Duffy

I would not call any German in WWII a hero. Sorry that is just not in the vocabulary.


12 posted on 04/19/2005 1:49:48 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Ff--150

Ratzinger a Nazi? Don't believe it
Jerusalem Post ^ | Apr. 18, 2005 | Sam Ser

Posted on 04/19/2005 12:52:18 PM EDT by Alouette


13 posted on 04/19/2005 1:49:54 PM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade )
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To: Sprite518

Was he engaged in battle with US forces? It seems he might have been. In his biography, he is mum about some details.


14 posted on 04/19/2005 1:50:16 PM PDT by TFine80
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To: yoely

It probably saved his life....


15 posted on 04/19/2005 1:51:48 PM PDT by stylin19a (Always remember - don't ever forget - "2 wrongs don't make a right, it's 3 lefts that make a right.")
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To: Sprite518; Saundra Duffy
If you risk your life to desert the Nazi army at the age of 18, you're a hero.

That IS the right word.

16 posted on 04/19/2005 1:51:56 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: TFine80

I just think its a bad P.R. move. I hope a can a worms does not come out of this.


17 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:08 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: yoely

To avoid duplication, please do not change the title. Thanks.


18 posted on 04/19/2005 1:53:55 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator
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To: yoely

Oh come on....he was drafted(forced) into the auxiliary anti-aircraft services towards the end of the war. It was ether join or be shot. It's not like he was a member of the SS or SA.....please


19 posted on 04/19/2005 1:54:31 PM PDT by JayP56
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To: ohioWfan

Let's just hope that really was his position back then. Like I said I just do not think this is a good P.R. move. If this guy by any chance was not upfront about his Service, then this is going to be a can of worms.


20 posted on 04/19/2005 1:55:26 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: TFine80
Did you read the article?

He says he did not engage in battle against US forces.

21 posted on 04/19/2005 1:56:05 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: The_Victor
Re: "The Nazis were anti-Christian? That's not going to sit well with the left."

I don't know about that, it might engender in the Left warm feelings for Nazis.
22 posted on 04/19/2005 1:56:29 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: yoely

WWII is over. But it doesn't surprise me that the media wants to demonize this guy with the Nazi label.


23 posted on 04/19/2005 1:56:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: livius

Of course--Nazis persecuted Catholics with ZEAL. Hence Pius XII's supposed "silence" on the matter--the more the Church in various cities and countries protested, the more faithful were rounded up and killed.

It was a cult of personality, and most men in Germany at the time were "compelled" to join some sort of Nazi organization--Hitler's Youth just happens to be the one into which Benedict XVI was forced.


24 posted on 04/19/2005 1:56:44 PM PDT by jcb8199
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To: Sprite518
So, are you accusing the new Pope of being a liar? (And Pope John Paul II of being a dupe for supporting him?)

What exactly is your purpose here?

25 posted on 04/19/2005 1:58:47 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Saundra Duffy

Remember Katie bashing Arnold for his father's affiliation?


26 posted on 04/19/2005 2:00:25 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The Irish are the blacks of Europe ... So say it once, say it loud, 'I'm black and I'm proud'. ")
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To: Sprite518

He's a hero for abandoning the army risking capture and summary execution or the camps even where most traitors met their end.


27 posted on 04/19/2005 2:00:50 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: mad puppy

"...had risked death by deserting the German army."

Right. That's bingo. This might even make him a hero. Case closed.


28 posted on 04/19/2005 2:01:52 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Nazi matter resolved:

"...was 18-year-old Joseph Ratzinger (search), who just days before had risked death by deserting the German army..."

Also heard he escaped on Hannity.

FReegards....


29 posted on 04/19/2005 2:03:23 PM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (<<<< Profile page streamlined, solely devoted Schiavo research)
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To: Sprite518
I would not call any German in WWII a hero. Sorry that is just not in the vocabulary.

That's pretty myopic. There were lots of heroic Germans who resented the dictatorship they suffered under.

30 posted on 04/19/2005 2:05:23 PM PDT by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Sprite518

Kurt Student? Not a hero! Surely you jest.

Nobody in their right mind likes the Nazi cause, but they had some darn fine fighting soldiers.

Read up on what Student's guys did at Eban Emael and Crete. Heroic stuff, regardless of the uniform.


31 posted on 04/19/2005 2:11:06 PM PDT by Kiss Me Hardy
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To: Sprite518
You've not heard of Schindler. It is time for an education. May I recommend the movie "Schindler's List" as a beginning.

Then, from my own lips: ~ I once attended a work associate's house warming party. There were three or four people there who'd been saved by Schindler. They showed me the serial numbers the Nazis tatooed on their wrists. My work associate's wife was, in fact, the first offspring of a couple Schindler had saved.

Schindler existed. The people he saved existed. When they bear witness it is first of Schindler's heroism.

32 posted on 04/19/2005 2:13:18 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March
Thanks. :)

bump!


33 posted on 04/19/2005 2:14:55 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
And someone was spreading a story that he was a Nazi. For God's sake!!

Yeah. It's called slander. Ugly beyond words.

34 posted on 04/19/2005 2:15:44 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Mark in the Old South
I don't know about that, it might engender in the Left warm feelings for Nazis.

They already do, although they'll (mostly) deny it.

NAZI = "Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei".

Today's lefties aren't National Socialists.

They're inter-National Socialists.

35 posted on 04/19/2005 2:16:40 PM PDT by Sooth2222 (NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!)
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To: ohioWfan
When did I say he is a liar? Quit putting words in my mouth. I said I just hope nothing more comes out of this. The German army committed a lot of war crimes during WWII. So I am just saying it could be a bad P.R. move?
36 posted on 04/19/2005 2:17:09 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Wow didn't take long for the name calling to start...lessee what? Four or five hours after the fact?


37 posted on 04/19/2005 2:17:09 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Puddleglum

Well that is your opinion.


38 posted on 04/19/2005 2:19:05 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

It appears you've never heard of Dietrick Bonhoeffer either.


39 posted on 04/19/2005 2:19:11 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: muawiyah
Schindler was not a Soldier.
40 posted on 04/19/2005 2:20:35 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: cyborg

I saw an article that came out from the AP 5 minutes after the new Pope made his appearance to the world, and they were ripping into the Pope with their usual doom'n'gloom scenario. Sad and funny at the same time. I knew the MSM was in for a total and complete meltdown.


41 posted on 04/19/2005 2:20:57 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper ("Stupidity is also a gift of God, but one mustn't misuse it" - Pope John Paul II)
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To: Sprite518
I didn't put any words in you mouth. I asked you if you were calling him a liar.

You said you hoped he was telling the truth. Do you think he wasn't/isn't? Otherwise, why are you asking?

It's not that hard of a question. Stop being so defensive and answer it.

Do you think he's lying about his past?

42 posted on 04/19/2005 2:20:59 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: tabsternager
Oh yeah I forget that one. Everyone knows about him? LOL!
43 posted on 04/19/2005 2:22:13 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Saundra Duffy

B-16 was a Nazi, like Zhivago was a Bolshevik!


44 posted on 04/19/2005 2:23:57 PM PDT by Graymatter
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To: Sprite518
Your statement didn't limit itself to "soldiers" ~ just "German in WWII".

That would include, among others, German-Americans, Volga River Germans, German Mennonites, etc.

45 posted on 04/19/2005 2:25:04 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah; Sprite518

And Dietrich Bonhoffer.


46 posted on 04/19/2005 2:26:52 PM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Sprite518
Schindler ran a plant producing material for the German Army, staffed with concentration camp prisoners. He was well aware of, and profited from, the Nazi treatment of the Jews. I would wager he was more intimately involved in the treatment of the Jews than the vast majority of the German people.

But he then did something very heroic. How is it you can see Schindler as a hero but refuse to accept that any German soldiers might have done something heroic?
47 posted on 04/19/2005 2:33:05 PM PDT by sharktrager (The masses will trade liberty for a more quiet life.)
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To: yoely
Soon he was home with his father, Josef, and his mother, Maria.

Hmmm... What is the name of the new pope again?

48 posted on 04/19/2005 2:35:59 PM PDT by paudio (Four More Years..... Let's Use Them Wisely...)
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His family was happy to see him. "Of course, for full joy, something was missing. Since the beginning of April, there had been no word from Georg," he remembered. "So there was a quiet worry in our house." Suddenly, in the middle of July, in walked Georg, tanned and unharmed. He sat at the piano and banged out the hymn "Grosser Gott, wir loben Dich," "Mighty God, we praise You" as father, mother, sister Maria and Joseph rejoiced.

I love a happy ending.

49 posted on 04/19/2005 2:37:36 PM PDT by raybbr
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To: Sprite518
I would not call any German in WWII a hero. Sorry that is just not in the vocabulary.

Hate, in this case a by-product of ignorance, will not bring peace into your world.

50 posted on 04/19/2005 2:40:07 PM PDT by raybbr
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