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Liberal US catholics dismayed at choice of Pope
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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko

BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.

Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.

Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.

"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'

MORE OF THE SAME

Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.

It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.

"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.

"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.

Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.

Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.

Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".


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1 posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:43 PM PDT by Alex Marko
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To: Alex Marko

I heard a while ago that US Catholics are only 6% of the total of world catholics.


2 posted on 04/19/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by OK
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To: Alex Marko

And the media/liberal/Democrats continue the Pope Benedict bashing. No surprise that the anti-Christians would be infuriated by this Pope.


3 posted on 04/19/2005 5:16:52 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: OK

the Church dosent follow pop culture or trends. People are foolish to believe this. Let see how the Dems and libs attack this new Pope. I say we should constantly throw up Islam whever people start in on how this Pope is not tollerent of other faiths.


4 posted on 04/19/2005 5:17:31 PM PDT by hineybona
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To: Alex Marko
Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay

They were deeply saddened, too, I bet.

Two words............

HA HA

LVM

5 posted on 04/19/2005 5:17:49 PM PDT by LasVegasMac ("God. Guts. Guns. I don't call 911." (bumper sticker))
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To: Alex Marko

AAAAAWWW.


6 posted on 04/19/2005 5:18:14 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Pope Benedict XVI: The Rat-Zinger!)
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To: Alex Marko

To Liberal Catholics: Go and find another religion instead of ruining ours any longer than you have done. Be gone as we have important work to do and you'll only get in the way.


7 posted on 04/19/2005 5:18:15 PM PDT by NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
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To: Alex Marko
Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive anti-Catholic group based in Washington

There. That's better.

8 posted on 04/19/2005 5:18:30 PM PDT by B Knotts (Ioannes Paulus II, Requiescat in Pacem.)
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To: Alex Marko
"Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days..."

Geez, just a little arrogant, aren't they? Like the Pope cares what they want!

9 posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:09 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'chaim!)
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To: Alex Marko

Go find a Protestant church somewhere that shares your views. God knows there are plenty of them out there. They will welcome you. But mostly, PLEASE LEAVE!


10 posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:16 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: Alex Marko

If liberals had their way, priests would be boofing altar boys as part of the ritual. If certain Catholics want a liberalized church, they ought to become Episcopalians.


11 posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:19 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Alex Marko
If the queer lobby gets power in Rome, the end of days will be here the next day.

Get those creeps back into the closet!!

12 posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:34 PM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN (NO PRISONERS!!)
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To: Alex Marko

Dear Liberal Catholics,
Tough sh%t. The Episcopaleans have plenty of empty seats. Go on over there.
Love,
Emmett


14 posted on 04/19/2005 5:19:57 PM PDT by Emmett McCarthy
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To: Alex Marko
I LOVE the sound of gnashing teeth!!

The Churches are empty where LIBERALISM is practiced!!

I'm ASHAMED of all the liberal, lesbian nuns I've seen on TV lately....where are all the Holy Nuns?

15 posted on 04/19/2005 5:20:04 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

And take the rock n roll Masses when you leave!


16 posted on 04/19/2005 5:20:35 PM PDT by NRA1995 ("The Minuteman Project: doing the job our government doesn't want to do")
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To: Alex Marko
The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

There is a very easy solution for "those". They can become Episcopalians.

17 posted on 04/19/2005 5:21:05 PM PDT by okie01 (A slavering moron and proud member of the lynch mob, cleaning the Augean stables of MSM since 1998.)
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To: Alex Marko
Liberal U.S. Catholics...

Talk about an oxymoron.

18 posted on 04/19/2005 5:21:10 PM PDT by mewzilla
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To: OK
I think it would be best thing for the Church if there was a mass exodus of CINOs out of its doors. Good riddance!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
19 posted on 04/19/2005 5:21:37 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961

I'm not Catholic, but I completely agree with you. Libs are upset why? Because a Cardinal, now Pope supports Church doctrine. What do they expect?


20 posted on 04/19/2005 5:22:47 PM PDT by marblehead17 (I love it when a plan comes together.)
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To: Alex Marko
"The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion."

Of course, then would it still be a Roman Catholic church?

There's always that Episcopal church down the street. And the priests even wear Roman collars!

21 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:39 PM PDT by Sooth2222
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To: Alex Marko
The liberal catholics need to get with the program and choose between being liberal and being Catholic.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

22 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:39 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Alex Marko

Liberal Catholics worship themselves, the rest of us worship Jesus!!


23 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:47 PM PDT by pbear8 (Deo Gratias!!!!! Pope B - 16 !!!!!!)
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To: Alex Marko

senator edward kennedy expressed dismay that the new pope had never taken dates out in an oldsmobile....


24 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:48 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Alex Marko

The Liberals won't be happy until Pope Geraldine is elected!


25 posted on 04/19/2005 5:23:48 PM PDT by leprechaun9
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To: LibFreeOrDie

I guess they think the Church is a democracy.

New Democratic Catholic Church Doctrine:
If it feels good do it.
If it feels good do it.
and...
If it feels good do it.


26 posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:22 PM PDT by antceecee (God Bless Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: NEBUCHADNEZZAR1961
I couldn't agree with you more.

I am a fallen Catholic and while I don't agree with some of the tenets of the Catholic Church, I have the utmost respect for it.

Since I couldn't agree to certain things, I left the church, I didn't complain about it.

I respect institutions with strong principles and if these "Liberal Catholics" don't agree with Catholicism, they should just leave and become UNitarians which fits better into their world view.

Arioch7 out!

27 posted on 04/19/2005 5:24:38 PM PDT by Arioch7
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To: LasVegasMac

I feel their pain.


28 posted on 04/19/2005 5:25:55 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Alex Marko

Tough.

Church is not to be amended to the passing whims of the time. Once you reject the tenets of your faith you no longer are a member of that Faith.

Christianity cannot be moderated to embrace Liberal desires. It exists as is, or it moves to those that will embrace it as is.

Ex. Certain Protestant Churches that have accomodated Liberals are no longer, imo, a part of the Christian faith. Catholic Priests that reject the Church's teachings, no longer have a right to call themselves catholic or especially Christian.

These people are fools if they believe they have the power to overwrite God's Word. Which they do believe. His Word is Absolute. Eternal. Incorruptable.


29 posted on 04/19/2005 5:26:44 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: big'ol_freeper
Go find a Protestant church somewhere that shares your views.

I hear the US Episcopalian church could use a few more liberals...their conservatives are leaving in droves. We conservative Protestants don't want the liberal Catholics either.

30 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:01 PM PDT by madison10
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To: Alex Marko
Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.

Good. Anytime liberals squeal, something good must have happened. I am gladdened by this selection.

About the sex-scandal stuff: Ratzinger is quite vocally against homosexuality, so he will be VERY diligent in rooting out pedophelic or gay priests. I think the left is crying crocodile tears on this one.

31 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:06 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Not Elected Pope Since 4/19/2005.)
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To: ken21

If Pope Benedict had driven Mary Jo home, she'd be a grandmother today.


32 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:24 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Alex Marko
There is a church for liberal freaks Its called the Unitarian church
33 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:28 PM PDT by april15Bendovr
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To: Alex Marko

Serves them right.

Maybe if they read their Bibles a little more and lived by Gods instructions then they wouldnt be having these issues.


34 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:35 PM PDT by Little_shoe ("For Sailor MEN in Battle fair since fighting days of old have earned the right.to the blue and gold)
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To: Alex Marko
Perhaps an alternate headline would be:

Conservative US Catholics Delighted With Choice for Pope

Note to the disaffected, folks, the Catholic Church has been this way for a whole long time. The Church isn't leaving yoiu, you have done gone and left the Church. Take it from a not very religious person, me, you feminists, gays and liberals who are so dismayed with the selection of this man don't have the moral standing generally to wipe this man's shoes. So quite you wailing and moaning, go to a quiet place and think abour your own moratilty and mortality.

35 posted on 04/19/2005 5:27:36 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Alex Marko
It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.

BARF!!!

Related thread:

Benedict Showed 2 Sides After Pope's Death ~~ not all are Happy with the new Pope.

36 posted on 04/19/2005 5:28:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: Mr. Lucky

very true!


37 posted on 04/19/2005 5:28:35 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Alex Marko
Q: This past year has been difficult for Catholics, given the space dedicated by the media to scandals attributed to priests. There is talk of a campaign against the Church. What do you think?

Cardinal Ratzinger: In the Church, priests also are sinners. But I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offenses among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.

In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type. The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts. Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion.

Source.

Actually, it was 4% of priests, and over 11,000 different young people were abused, according to the US Bishops Clergy Review Board.

Like JPII, Ratzinger's first instinct is to protect the institutional Church.

38 posted on 04/19/2005 5:28:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Alex Marko
The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.

I'm still waiting for the companion article about the Catholics who applaud Ratzinger's positions! :-)

39 posted on 04/19/2005 5:28:40 PM PDT by HitmanLV
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"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices."

So if a Catholic no longer practices because she doesn't like the doctrine, is she still a Catholic?

Does she sit in the pew each Sunday under teaching? Does she put into the collection plate each Sunday?

So should anyone care what a cafeteria Catholic thinks when choosing a Pope?


40 posted on 04/19/2005 5:29:16 PM PDT by I still care (America is not the problem - it is the solution..)
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To: Arioch7

They so don't get it. Being a Catholic is not about "you" it's about "Christ". So much for humility and perspective - these people seriously lack both.


41 posted on 04/19/2005 5:29:19 PM PDT by Smoote
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To: Alex Marko
Catholics for a Free Choice

Catholics for a Poor Choice.

42 posted on 04/19/2005 5:30:18 PM PDT by syriacus (Weird George Felos repeatedly flicked his tongue out his gaping mouth when lying to the press 3/31)
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To: NRA1995

>>And take the rock n roll Masses when you leave!

Amen.


43 posted on 04/19/2005 5:30:39 PM PDT by Betis70 (Viva Il Papa--Pope Benedict XVI)
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To: Little_shoe

The guy's a Catholic.

B16's doctrinal "conservatism" surprises people?

They think they're going to get a new one who says, "Oh, BTW, Jesus didn't rise from the dead, to hell with poor people, feel free to crush and flush your babies, bomb whole cities, and buggers, bugger away"?!

And they want to call this "following your conscience"?

As Josef Cardinal Ratzinger once said, (and imagine this in all-caps, red font, and the biggest honkin' typeface):

"CONSCIENCE IS A STUDENT, NOT A TEACHER."

"Bene dictus" is a pun in Latin for "well spoken."

I like his style. And you know what else? I like his smile.


44 posted on 04/19/2005 5:32:09 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o
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...and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.

My understanding is that the priest shortage is pretty much just here in the US, and that across the globe the number of men entering the priesthood is up.

45 posted on 04/19/2005 5:35:15 PM PDT by grellis ("Unless, God forbid, there are two Placentas walking around"--FR demkicker)
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To: Alex Marko
Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.

What a load of bull. Mass attendance has been declining steadily since the 60's threw out the Latin Mass and brought in the dumbed down, feelin' alright, guitar strummin' idiots' liturgy. If Benedict XVI restores liturgical discipline, Latin, incense and Gregorian chant, the churches will fill up again. People want the Real Thing, not the watered down substitute.

46 posted on 04/19/2005 5:35:18 PM PDT by Argus (Mi tagline es su tagline)
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To: Alex Marko

They aren't dismayed, they know the truth. They are becoming master of feigning dismay, however.


47 posted on 04/19/2005 5:35:40 PM PDT by gidget7 (Get GLSEN out of our schools!!!!!!)
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To: Alex Marko

And from the wacked out meth heads at DU:

"looks like the criminal bushgang won the pope auction
wonder how long it will take them to suck the vaticans vaults dry?"


48 posted on 04/19/2005 5:36:19 PM PDT by MisterRepublican
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To: Alex Marko

"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope,"

They are going to be VERY,VERY HURT, but not by any of the Popes, but by God Himself. By the way, how can a lesbian or gay be a Catholic. Isn't that a contradiction in terms?


49 posted on 04/19/2005 5:36:19 PM PDT by j23
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To: marblehead17

Apparantly supporting Church doctrine isn't allowed if you want to be accepted as Pope by liberal "Catholics".


50 posted on 04/19/2005 5:36:41 PM PDT by baseballfanjm
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