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Posted on 04/19/2005 5:13:20 PM PDT by Alex Marko
BOSTON (Reuters) - Liberal U.S. Catholics on Tuesday expressed dismay at the choice of a conservative new pope and doubted he will heal an institution racked by disillusionment and tarnished by a sex abuse scandal among the clergy.
The election of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI rankled those who advocate married priests, a bigger role for women within the church and softening its policy on homosexuality, birth control, euthanasia and abortion.
Since taking over the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith as the Roman Catholic Church's chief ideologue, Ratzinger has denounced homosexuality and even branded other Christian churches as deficient.
"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope," said Francis DeBernardo, executive director of the New Ways Ministry, a national ministry for lesbian and gay Catholics.
Under the Pope John Paul II, American Catholics' attendance at weekly Mass declined as many were put off by what they saw as increasingly conservative Vatican doctrine.
The sense of alienation deepened with a well-publicized scandal over pedophile priests, which erupted in 2002 in the Archdiocese of Boston as court documents showed bishops shuttled pedophile priests from parish to parish.
Victims of sexual abuse by members of the clergy reacted skeptically to word that Ratzinger was the new pope.
"Ratzinger is a polarizing figure to many, who seems to prefer combativeness to compromise and compassion," Mary Grant of the Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests said in a statement. "It's ... crucial that the new pope follow the words and views of John Paul II who said 'there is no place in the priesthood for anyone who would harm the young."'
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Catholics for a Free Choice, a progressive group based in Washington, laid out an action plan for the new pontiff to pursue in his first 100 days with the goal of healing fractures within the church.
It urged the new pope to appoint a commission to review church policy on condoms, to establish a pontifical academy on women's rights in the church, and to welcome back those marginalized over the last quarter-century -- including gays and lesbians.
But those familiar with Ratzinger said to expect more of the same, and they doubted he would tailor his views to adapt to the liberal forces evident in the U.S. church.
"This is the guy who's been in charge of stifling dissent in the church," said lawyer Carmen Durso, who represented dozens of plaintiffs in clergy abuse lawsuits against the Boston archdiocese.
"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices.
Christine Schenk, a nun from Cleveland, Ohio, who favors opening the priesthood to married men, said she was disappointed and puzzled by Ratzinger's selection, but she saw glimmers of hope.
Schenk explained that Ratzinger had never ruled out the idea of married priests, and that the church is facing a deepening shortage of priests -- so he may be forced to act.
In a 2004 document, Ratzinger denounced "radical feminism" as undermining the family and natural differences between men and women.
Asked if there was anything in his background that gave her hope that Ratzinger would build a stronger partnership with women in the church, Quinn said: "We always hope for miracles".
I heard a while ago that US Catholics are only 6% of the total of world catholics.
And the media/liberal/Democrats continue the Pope Benedict bashing. No surprise that the anti-Christians would be infuriated by this Pope.
the Church dosent follow pop culture or trends. People are foolish to believe this. Let see how the Dems and libs attack this new Pope. I say we should constantly throw up Islam whever people start in on how this Pope is not tollerent of other faiths.
They were deeply saddened, too, I bet.
To Liberal Catholics: Go and find another religion instead of ruining ours any longer than you have done. Be gone as we have important work to do and you'll only get in the way.
There. That's better.
Geez, just a little arrogant, aren't they? Like the Pope cares what they want!
Go find a Protestant church somewhere that shares your views. God knows there are plenty of them out there. They will welcome you. But mostly, PLEASE LEAVE!
If liberals had their way, priests would be boofing altar boys as part of the ritual. If certain Catholics want a liberalized church, they ought to become Episcopalians.
Get those creeps back into the closet!!
Dear Liberal Catholics,
Tough sh%t. The Episcopaleans have plenty of empty seats. Go on over there.
The Churches are empty where LIBERALISM is practiced!!
I'm ASHAMED of all the liberal, lesbian nuns I've seen on TV lately....where are all the Holy Nuns?
And take the rock n roll Masses when you leave!
There is a very easy solution for "those". They can become Episcopalians.
Talk about an oxymoron.
(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
I'm not Catholic, but I completely agree with you. Libs are upset why? Because a Cardinal, now Pope supports Church doctrine. What do they expect?
Of course, then would it still be a Roman Catholic church?
There's always that Episcopal church down the street. And the priests even wear Roman collars!
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Liberal Catholics worship themselves, the rest of us worship Jesus!!
senator edward kennedy expressed dismay that the new pope had never taken dates out in an oldsmobile....
The Liberals won't be happy until Pope Geraldine is elected!
I guess they think the Church is a democracy.
New Democratic Catholic Church Doctrine:
If it feels good do it.
If it feels good do it.
If it feels good do it.
I am a fallen Catholic and while I don't agree with some of the tenets of the Catholic Church, I have the utmost respect for it.
Since I couldn't agree to certain things, I left the church, I didn't complain about it.
I respect institutions with strong principles and if these "Liberal Catholics" don't agree with Catholicism, they should just leave and become UNitarians which fits better into their world view.
I feel their pain.
Church is not to be amended to the passing whims of the time. Once you reject the tenets of your faith you no longer are a member of that Faith.
Christianity cannot be moderated to embrace Liberal desires. It exists as is, or it moves to those that will embrace it as is.
Ex. Certain Protestant Churches that have accomodated Liberals are no longer, imo, a part of the Christian faith. Catholic Priests that reject the Church's teachings, no longer have a right to call themselves catholic or especially Christian.
These people are fools if they believe they have the power to overwrite God's Word. Which they do believe. His Word is Absolute. Eternal. Incorruptable.
I hear the US Episcopalian church could use a few more liberals...their conservatives are leaving in droves. We conservative Protestants don't want the liberal Catholics either.
Good. Anytime liberals squeal, something good must have happened. I am gladdened by this selection.
About the sex-scandal stuff: Ratzinger is quite vocally against homosexuality, so he will be VERY diligent in rooting out pedophelic or gay priests. I think the left is crying crocodile tears on this one.
If Pope Benedict had driven Mary Jo home, she'd be a grandmother today.
Serves them right.
Maybe if they read their Bibles a little more and lived by Gods instructions then they wouldnt be having these issues.
Conservative US Catholics Delighted With Choice for Pope
Note to the disaffected, folks, the Catholic Church has been this way for a whole long time. The Church isn't leaving yoiu, you have done gone and left the Church. Take it from a not very religious person, me, you feminists, gays and liberals who are so dismayed with the selection of this man don't have the moral standing generally to wipe this man's shoes. So quite you wailing and moaning, go to a quiet place and think abour your own moratilty and mortality.
Cardinal Ratzinger: In the Church, priests also are sinners. But I am personally convinced that the constant presence in the press of the sins of Catholic priests, especially in the United States, is a planned campaign, as the percentage of these offenses among priests is not higher than in other categories, and perhaps it is even lower.
In the United States, there is constant news on this topic, but less than 1% of priests are guilty of acts of this type. The constant presence of these news items does not correspond to the objectivity of the information nor to the statistical objectivity of the facts. Therefore, one comes to the conclusion that it is intentional, manipulated, that there is a desire to discredit the Church. It is a logical and well-founded conclusion.
Actually, it was 4% of priests, and over 11,000 different young people were abused, according to the US Bishops Clergy Review Board.
Like JPII, Ratzinger's first instinct is to protect the institutional Church.
I'm still waiting for the companion article about the Catholics who applaud Ratzinger's positions! :-)
"This says to me that the Vatican ... is not prepared to move into the 21st Century, which it desperately needs to do," said Durso, who was raised Catholic but no longer practices."
So if a Catholic no longer practices because she doesn't like the doctrine, is she still a Catholic?
Does she sit in the pew each Sunday under teaching? Does she put into the collection plate each Sunday?
So should anyone care what a cafeteria Catholic thinks when choosing a Pope?
They so don't get it. Being a Catholic is not about "you" it's about "Christ". So much for humility and perspective - these people seriously lack both.
Catholics for a Poor Choice.
>>And take the rock n roll Masses when you leave!
The guy's a Catholic.
B16's doctrinal "conservatism" surprises people?
They think they're going to get a new one who says, "Oh, BTW, Jesus didn't rise from the dead, to hell with poor people, feel free to crush and flush your babies, bomb whole cities, and buggers, bugger away"?!
And they want to call this "following your conscience"?
As Josef Cardinal Ratzinger once said, (and imagine this in all-caps, red font, and the biggest honkin' typeface):
"CONSCIENCE IS A STUDENT, NOT A TEACHER."
"Bene dictus" is a pun in Latin for "well spoken."
I like his style. And you know what else? I like his smile.
My understanding is that the priest shortage is pretty much just here in the US, and that across the globe the number of men entering the priesthood is up.
What a load of bull. Mass attendance has been declining steadily since the 60's threw out the Latin Mass and brought in the dumbed down, feelin' alright, guitar strummin' idiots' liturgy. If Benedict XVI restores liturgical discipline, Latin, incense and Gregorian chant, the churches will fill up again. People want the Real Thing, not the watered down substitute.
They aren't dismayed, they know the truth. They are becoming master of feigning dismay, however.
And from the wacked out meth heads at DU:
"looks like the criminal bushgang won the pope auction
wonder how long it will take them to suck the vaticans vaults dry?"
"Gay and lesbian Catholics are going to be very hurt by this election because Cardinal Ratzinger was the lightning rod for so much of the anger they felt under the previous pope,"
They are going to be VERY,VERY HURT, but not by any of the Popes, but by God Himself. By the way, how can a lesbian or gay be a Catholic. Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Apparantly supporting Church doctrine isn't allowed if you want to be accepted as Pope by liberal "Catholics".
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