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Fanatics want to convert entire world
(UK) Evening Standard ^ | 4/20/2005 | Andrew Gilligan

Posted on 04/20/2005 10:47:23 AM PDT by 1066AD

This is LONDON 20/04/05 - News and city section

Fanatics want to convert entire world By Andrew Gilligan, Evening Standard

Banned in Germany and across the Middle East, Hizb ut-Tahrir, the Party of Liberation, is one of the most controversial - and also the strongest - Islamic groups in Britain today.

Hizb rejects the "corrupt society" of Britain and the West and, as George Galloway learned last night, even the most impeccable anti-war credentials are not enough to win its approval.

Its central belief is for a single Islamic state - a caliphate - which should start by uniting all Muslim countries, then embrace the entire world, including non-Islamic parts.

As Hizb's own website says: "The work of Hizb ut-Tahrir is to ... change the situation of the corrupt society so that it is transformed into an Islamic society."

Hizb "aims to bring back the Islamic guidance for mankind and to lead the Ummah (the Muslim community) into a struggle with Kufr (non-believing), its systems and its thoughts so that Islam encapsulates the world."

Hizb started on this mission in Britain with the Jews: it was accused of anti-semitism in its work in universities and has been banned from many university campuses after noisy campaigns in the Nineties.

It is not just the British election that the group rejects. In its East End heartland, it opposed the recent Brick Lane festival on the ground that it promoted "a culture of drinking alcohol, dancing and free-mixing" between the sexes.

It also advised Shabina Begum, the Luton girl who recently won a High Court ruling that she was entitled to wear a head-to-toe jilbab to school.

Hizb holds frequent conferences and speaker meetings, attracting numbers perhaps higher than any other Muslim group in Britain. Up to 8,000 people attended its last annual conference, although far from all of those were members.

It has a particular appeal for young middle-class Muslims, the same sort of people who so often make up the core of Islamic terror groups.

The actual membership may total less than 1,000. No one has proved a direct link between Hizb and terrorism, but the group's leaflet was found at the family home of Omar Sharif, the British man who launched a failed suicide attack in Tel Aviv.

Hizb's British founder, Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammed, left in 1996 to form an even more radical group, al-muhajiroun (The Emigrants). That organisation believes terrorism is a vital part of Islam, glorified the 9/11 highjackers for "the magnificent 19," and has earned itself a starring role in the tabloids.

The security serbutvices watched it but some described it as an example of "showbiz extremism" rather than a serious threat.

Last October, al muhajiroun announced it was shutting down and uniting with other groups, raising fears that it could be linking up with Hizb. Yesterday, former members of al-muhajiroun stormed the flagship Regent's Park mosque in an antielection protest, echoing the attacks on Mr Galloway and Oona King.

Hizb's British leader, a 28-year-old IT consultant called Jalaluddin Patel, insists the group is not violent and is no threat to the West. But he adds that we in Britain "need to understand what is really an inevitable matter, that Islam is coming back, the Islamic caliphate is going to be implemented in the world very soon".


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The rot spreads.
They also are disrupting election meetings etc.
Hate mob attacks Galloway
1 posted on 04/20/2005 10:47:32 AM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD
, but the group's leaflet was found at the family home of Omar Sharif, the British man who launched a failed suicide attack in Tel Aviv.

Dr Zhivago? Say it isn't so.

2 posted on 04/20/2005 10:50:07 AM PDT by dfwgator (Minutemen: Just doing the jobs that American politicians won't do.)
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To: 1066AD

A natural reflex from a dying idiology. Islam I mean!!


3 posted on 04/20/2005 10:51:42 AM PDT by bubman
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To: 1066AD

Because I like being on FR, I can not post what I would like too see happen too these buggers. But I'm sure you can possibly figure some it out. Be well and be safe.

Jeff


4 posted on 04/20/2005 10:51:53 AM PDT by MississippyMuddy (No peace, without FREEDOM!!)
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To: dfwgator

I thought Omar Sharif was a Christian.


5 posted on 04/20/2005 10:52:31 AM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: 1066AD

Hmmmm....I'm still looking for a fanatic who is satisfied with things as they are.


6 posted on 04/20/2005 10:52:51 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: 1066AD

We need to convert them to compost for my garden. Islam is a plague on mankind.


7 posted on 04/20/2005 10:59:51 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: 1066AD

"Hate mob attacks Galloway"

Ironic. Kind of like the Afghan mob that attacked journalist Robert Fisk?

Caveat: The mob might have attacked him not because he was a Westerner, but they thought he was an Arab.


8 posted on 04/20/2005 11:02:58 AM PDT by Shermy
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To: One Proud Dad
Islam is the only religion that is specially "antiChristian" as it is the only religion that acknowledges Jesus Christ yet it denies his divinity, crucifixtion, and resurrection. "The" antiChrist, it's been said, would lead the flock astray in the name of good; it is certainly a religion of "an" antiChrist.

Islam also has some "safeguards" against any sort of reformation (Madman Mo' was "the last prophet", so no one can undo his work); the only "reformation" for muslims is to reject Mohammed and return to the Old (Judaic) or New (Christian) Testament and reject this ancient cultist's rewrite of the Judeo-Christian Bible.

9 posted on 04/20/2005 11:08:05 AM PDT by weegee (WE FOUGHT ZOGBYISM November 2, 2004 - 60 Million Voters versus 60 Minutes - BUSH WINS!!!)
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To: 1066AD

What a shock to the left. It must feel much like your pet biting you.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 11:08:42 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghanistan Honor Roll students.)
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To: weegee

They just have a identity problem as Ishmael was cast aside for Isaac and they haven't forgotten it.


11 posted on 04/20/2005 11:15:01 AM PDT by One Proud Dad
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To: 1066AD

"Religious fanatics want to convert entire world"

What's the dateline on this, the 11th century?
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Maybe the day will come we can end this particular virus infecting the minds of men...
I particularly LIKE the "garden compost" approach.


12 posted on 04/20/2005 11:17:53 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: 1066AD

"even the most impeccable anti-war credentials are not enough to win its approval."

According to the Anti-War crowd, Islam is 'peace and love'.

When the shiite hits the fan, they are going to look like a bunch of deer on a dark road, with the headlights in their eyes.


13 posted on 04/20/2005 11:19:31 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: proxy_user

Well, one could argue that the conservative label would apply... a fanatical devotion to conserving the status quo. Of course, we current conservatives have got a LOT of reversing to do before we can get back to a good status quo!


14 posted on 04/20/2005 11:20:06 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Teacher317

I disagree.

I don't think they want to 'conserve the status quo', they want to regress back to the beginning of Islam itself.


15 posted on 04/20/2005 11:23:26 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: 1066AD

What will it take to galvanize the West?


16 posted on 04/20/2005 11:38:58 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: 1066AD

Don't all fanatics want to either convert or destroy the entire world. Is that not part of the requirments for being considered a fanatic?


17 posted on 04/20/2005 11:52:37 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (“There is a law – a law of nature. Man is not the ruler.)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Probably two dozen guys named "Omar Sharif".

there are only two dozen or so names for men in Islam... And they get combined in different ways..


18 posted on 04/20/2005 11:58:19 AM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: armymarinemom

The politically correct lefties are so down on people keeping dangerous "exotic pets" like lions and tigers, yet they're the first ones on the block to have "two-legged tigers". Bleah.


19 posted on 04/20/2005 12:04:28 PM PDT by coydog (My bathroom djinn can beat up your bathroom djinn!)
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To: 1066AD

This mental disorder masquerading as a religion needs to be stamped out permanently. No one is safe until that day.


20 posted on 04/20/2005 12:04:37 PM PDT by Desron13
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To: tiamat
there are only two dozen or so names for men in Islam

Heh heh. But I'd say 80% of the men in America have one of ten names ... Rob, Jim, Steve, Tom, Bill, Mike, Dan, John, Joe, and Pete.

21 posted on 04/20/2005 12:14:06 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: 1066AD

It'll be fun to watch how the MSM in the UK plays this lot.

Last night there was hardly a word about the Mosque invasion, after all they are all our freinds.......

I notice this report has already managed to loose the Fatwa, they have put on Galloway.

Welcome to Blairs Britain, Jihad Central.


22 posted on 04/20/2005 12:14:37 PM PDT by crazycat
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To: 1066AD

"Fanatics want to convert entire world "


Hmmmmmm?? These people are just now figuring that out ..??


23 posted on 04/20/2005 12:16:36 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

Except for American male serial killers..

Those always have three names, one or more of which will be "Bobby", "Earl", "Ray" , "Wayne", or "Lee".

These names can be either first, middle or last names.


24 posted on 04/20/2005 12:21:59 PM PDT by tiamat (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Bigh4u2
When the shiite hits the fan, they are going to look like a bunch of deer on a dark road, with the headlights in their eyes.

Nope. Not gonna happen. They will alway blame the fan. The shiite-thrower is just poorly understood, impoverished, a victim of circumstances.
25 posted on 04/20/2005 3:02:18 PM PDT by self_evident (#47 and #60)
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To: Bigh4u2

Yes, they'll be the first to go, with their faith in atheism, feminism, and sexual license, all anathema to Islam.


26 posted on 04/20/2005 6:38:16 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: bubman
A natural reflex from a dying idiology. Islam I mean!!

Dying?

Seems I generally hear that it's growing.....

FWIW-

28 posted on 04/21/2005 7:35:31 AM PDT by Osage Orange ("The biggest liar in the world is They Say.")
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To: expatguy
Putting the news from the Netherlands and other countries that have a growing Muslim population on the front page of every news outlet in the Nation. Won't happen since we are so scared of offending anyone these days. There are a number of groups that are trying to forward the superiority of the Islam/Muslim faith and they are quietly infiltrating into society. Moving around as normal "non-combative" Muslims..."Nothing to see here...we are a religion of Peace and Love." The world is being duped but won't stand up cause that would be discriminatory.
29 posted on 04/21/2005 7:52:52 AM PDT by KurtAZ (So they've got us surrounded, good! Now we can fire in any direction, those bastards won't get away)
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