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Amtrak's High-Speed Acela Trains Sidelined Until Summer
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Posted on 04/20/2005 4:10:44 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

Amtrak's High-Speed Acela Trains Sidelined Until Summer By Donna De La Cruz Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Amtrak will not be able to run any of its high-speed trains until the summer because of delays in getting replacement parts to correct brake problems on Acela Express cars, railroad officials said Wednesday.

"The earliest you'll see trains back in service will be sometime in the summer and then you'll see a gradual return," said Amtrak's chief executive officer, David Gunn. "What will control that is the availability of parts and the speed in which they come, and the time it takes to put them on."

Before Amtrak's showcase service resumes, Amtrak's chief operating officer, Bill Crosbie, said there must be agreement on how long the new brakes will last.

The brakes were to last 1 million miles; the current Acela fleet had about half of that mileage.

Amtrak pulled all of its 20 Acela trains out of service on Friday after finding millimeter-size cracks in 300 of the fleet's 1,440 disc brake rotors. Each Acela train has 72 brakes.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Connecticut; US: Delaware; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Massachusetts; US: New Jersey; US: New York
KEYWORDS: amtrack; amtrak; transportation
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i smell a lawsuit....
1 posted on 04/20/2005 4:10:46 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
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To: Sub-Driver
They can't have a supply of replacement brake rotors on hand? Yeah, Amtrak is well run - I mean the trains don't run at all. LOL!

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
2 posted on 04/20/2005 4:14:43 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Willie Green

FYI.


3 posted on 04/20/2005 4:15:30 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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To: Sub-Driver

Those are big honking cracks. Yeah. There will be a big lawsuit. Breach of contract. I doubt there will be any consequential damages though.


4 posted on 04/20/2005 4:16:29 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sub-Driver
There's a good analysis of this news here: The Railroad to Nowhere.
5 posted on 04/20/2005 4:18:26 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Sub-Driver
Those are big honking cracks. Yeah. There will be a big lawsuit. Breach of contract. I doubt there will be any consequential damages though.

All the broken rotors must be replaced, but it is not clear how quickly Amtrak can get replacements. Two companies, Knorr Brake Corp., based in Westminster, Md., and Webtec Corp., made the rotors and will have to provide the replacements.

Amtrak doesn't know how much it will cost to replace them, or whether the two companies will pay for the replacements. Amtrak also could seek money to pay for the new rotors from the primary contractor that made the trains, Bombardier Inc.

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6 posted on 04/20/2005 4:19:00 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Sub-Driver
Great maintenance department Amtrak has. Hell, if 1100 rotors are good, put them all to use and only sideline the cars that they don't have rotors for.
7 posted on 04/20/2005 4:21:43 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Sub-Driver
IMHO, the Acela should be sidelined permanently.

I've taken the Acela from DC to NYC dozens of times, and it's a bumpy, uneven ride. There are several times during each trip I find myself bracing for a derailment.

Even if they manage to fix the brakes....I'm not convinced the tracks fit the train.
8 posted on 04/20/2005 4:24:10 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Lx
Great engineer you'd make.

Do you think they should know WHY the rotors cracked before they put the trains back into service?

300 out of 1100 is an unacceptable failure rate. Running in this configuration without knowing the root cause is potentially dangerous.

9 posted on 04/20/2005 4:28:13 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: Cboldt

Probably have to try the case in Canada....tough luck.


10 posted on 04/20/2005 4:28:59 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Cboldt

Lawsuit against who?


11 posted on 04/20/2005 5:06:26 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: Sub-Driver

Chretien and Bombardier bought that train bid through illegal means, and it has been nothing but problems. I heard Bombardier is blaming the subcontractor.


12 posted on 04/20/2005 5:08:19 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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Lawsuit against who?

Brake or car manufacturer, for failure to meet specified or implied limits of performance, replacement interval. Warranty, mor or less.

13 posted on 04/20/2005 5:11:10 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

That whole deal was bordering on illegal...Canada giving Amtrak the money to buy the trainsets....

ridiculous.


14 posted on 04/20/2005 5:14:40 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
Lawsuit against who?

Brake or car manufacturer, for failure to meet specified or implied limits of performance, replacement interval. Warranty, mor or less.

The Acela trains are built by Bombardier, Inc., based in Montreal, and the brakes are under warranty.

Bombardier spokesman David Slack said Friday that the company had no immediate explanation for what caused the cracks found on the steel spokes of disc brakes on most coaches. Slack also said it was unclear who would pay for the repairs and how long it would take. The brake parts are made specifically for Acela trains.

Amtrak scrambles to find trains for Acela <-- Link

Perhaps not obviously, but if Bombardier, Alstom (French partner on this project) and the brake manufacturers make good on the warranty, then the buyer, Amtrack, won't sue for warranty performance.

15 posted on 04/20/2005 5:17:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Dinsdale
Decisions like that are made all of the time. Are you trying to tell me the brakes are important or something?

It would definitely be nice to know why they cracked but it sounds like they pulled them because they don't have the new replacements. In other words, if they had the new parts, they'd run the trains and worry about why later.
16 posted on 04/20/2005 5:29:59 PM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Lx
I sure hope not. At least an intensive inspection program. They need to know why or they are nuts.

But you're probably right. They would fix it with JB weld if they could get away with it.

17 posted on 04/20/2005 5:35:26 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: BurbankKarl
Lawsuit against who?

I shall sue Amtrak. I took the Acela train once, and now I find out I could have been in danger. This has caused mental anguish.

18 posted on 04/20/2005 5:39:43 PM PDT by Koblenz (Holland: a very tolerant country. Until someone shoots you on a public street in broad daylight...)
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To: Howlin

Evening Howlin,
Just glad tonight's a lot calmer than last night!!


19 posted on 04/20/2005 7:07:51 PM PDT by CedarDave
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To: CedarDave; meema

Isn't that the truth, but don't get me started again! I finally stopped spitting about noon today!


20 posted on 04/20/2005 8:14:00 PM PDT by Howlin (North Carolina, where beer kegs are registered and illegal aliens run free.)
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