Posted on 04/22/2005 10:03:43 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
So you're now my confessor too? Oh that's rich. Yup, I'm the devil, Lucifer, yup, I'm here to steal your soul. Go run and hide.
You are racist against all these which you would grind under Russia's bootheel. You celebrate their enslavement to communism under Stalin!
As usual you are a slanderer. Go find where I've said I wanted them ground under anyone's heel. I'll be waiting along with your proof that I defended Stalin. Any more lies you'd like to tell? You're on a real roll today. Keep it coming. Maybe I was the second gunman on the grassy knoll too?
No he had some help. Plenty of Russians helped him...oh and plenty of Jews too (who happened to set up the Gulags under Lenin) and then there were plenty of Ukrainians, Georgians, some Poles and lots of American and British millionares. Oh and did we mention the Latvian Rifles? Body guards to the Soviet Leadership?
Tailgunner Joe --
For some reason you have decided to attack jb6 with an unending stream of ridiculous false accusations, that he loves Stalin and communism and so on.
So you have turned the discussion into a tirade of insult, that has no relation to truth. Maybe you have some big problems in your life so you decide to take it out on him, maybe you forgot your medication, or maybe you just in a blind senseless rage after he provoked you somehow. I have no idea.
Every reader can see the dishonesty in what you are saying, making you lose credibility. Your own conscience must bother you about the dishonesty of your statements as well.
For example, you just said that jb6 blames Georgians and Poles and Ukranians -- that he is "racist" against all of them. But everyone reading the discussion above, sees clearly that jb6 only acknowledged the historical fact that these countries each had *some* communists who helped Stalin. He did not express collective guilt or animus against these countries. The valid point is that Communism is an ideology, not unique to a particular nationality or ethnicity, and that many people's and nationality share in the blame for Stalin's attrocities. Blame the communists, and focus your energy against the demonic ideology of communism, instead of a *nationality*. It is totally stupid to demonize an entire people for the actions and beliefs of a communist minority that victimized the great majority.
Don't lie and say jb6 loves Stalin, or that he "celebrates communism" -- no one believes you, no matter how many angry insults and lies you throw around. You want to tear him down so much, it just makes you look unhinged and ridiculous. It is even more insane and absurd because he is anti-communist, just like you.
I admire your anti-communism.
I want you to be a better anti-communist.
You could be so much more effective, what a waste.
Wouldn't It be better If that monument showed American, British and Russian soldiers ?===
Good idea.
No Russians? None? Not out of that 100 million that made up the majority of the Soviet Army, NKVD, MGB, KGB, Communist Party? All blameless? All helpless?===
Who says that there wasn't any russians. People say that there wasn't ONLY russians as somneone here pretend to say.
Soviet Union was the name of state. Not Russia! Even this fact is very eloquent if one supposed to think.
Soviet Union wasn't russian state it was SOVIET means commie international state.
However, you label all Russians and anything associated with the country as communist. That is total nonsense, because nobody hates communism more than Russians. ==
Exactly.
Joe I want to add. You research Civil war of 1918-22. This war proves that RUSSIANS fought with commies the FIRST ever battles when no one in the world even knew the all danger of commies.
By this war I hope russians proved that they are anti-commies.
That is precisely what you always do just to deflect blame away from Russians.
It would be as if the minorities in America joined up with some non-minority Americans and took over the USA-which was the Communist plot (Black Panthers, etc).
You are either jb6, or you are simply so easily led by his lies that you have made precisely the same false accusations against me that he has. In your attempts to smear anyone who does not worship at the altar of Imperial Russia, you have accused me of supporting Chechens, Islam, Soros, etc. That proves you are no Christian at all, but just a lowly liar. If you want to prove you are a Christian, then you should repent! Retract your lies against me and admit you had no basis for the smears which you have used to defame me, and then I will admit that maybe you are a Christian. On the other hand, if you have no remorse, and are not sorry at all for your lies, then you will not be forgiven!
Wel I am glad you finally admitted that you blame it all on ethnic minorities.
"Yes, they were many anti-commie Russians but they lost because they were more pro-commie Russians. Without of the support of big part of Russian society Reds would never won. And support of the commies from other countries was meaningless because those countries were politically and by population meaningless."
Lukasz,
You don't know Russian history - obviously. Let's get a few things straight:
1.) The revolution in February 1917 (Kerensky, and others) was not communist based. The Kerensky government was overthrown in the October coup by the better organized "Bolsheviks" (who ironically were less in number than the "Menshiveks.")
Kerensky made horrible mistakes and ignored warnings about the dangers of Lenin's movement. By the time he realized his errors, it was too late.
2.) The Reds were united and well run, however, they did not enjoy widespread support from the peasant classes. The Whites were not united and unfortunately the egos of their leadership didn't allow for proper coordination of their activities. The Whites, when organized properly, cleaned the clocks of the Reds.
3.) Lenin and his gang of thugs knew they were not supported by the masses - this explains their ruthlessness against the very people they claimed to represent. They murdered millions to ensure that the peasants (and others) were cowed enough not to resist any further.
4.) Once "safely" in power, the Reds controlled the means of power - the armies, the police, communications, transport, etc. Anyone who stepped out of line was eliminated.
Everybody suffered during the Soviet times - Russians, Belarusians, Ukrainians, Latvians, Lithuanians, ethnic Poles, ethnic Germans, Georgians, Mengrillians, Abxazhians, Chechens, Ingush, Dagestantsy, Mari, Nantsy, Chukchi, Armenians, Azeris, Turmen, Uzbeks, Tadjiks, Kyrgyz, Kalmiks, Jews, etc., etc., etc. AND members of the aforementioned ethnic groups also participated in the oppression of the "Soviet" people. To heap blame on any ethnic group is stupid - heap it on the murderous system of Marxism/Leninism.
as Stuckey's is hard on the tummy. But, oh, the ladies with their accents...
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