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1 posted on 04/22/2005 10:18:36 AM PDT by amdgmary
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2 posted on 04/22/2005 10:20:54 AM PDT by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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Disabled fear Schiavo death may hasten euthanasia

Duh! You THINK?!?

3 posted on 04/22/2005 10:22:13 AM PDT by Houmatt (Another dead child in Florida! When are we gonna stand up and say, "Enough!")
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One can't blame them. When there are pro-euthanasia rumblings even from "conservatives" these days, the time is not very far off.


4 posted on 04/22/2005 10:22:15 AM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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God bless Joni Eareckson Tada and her efforts. She has been leading the anti-euthanasia fight for years and is always on point. As we continue the slide down the slippery slope, it is inevitable that euthanasia becomes acceptable--to the ungodly, not to us. That crowd (the pro-death crowd) must be fought at every opportunity, relentlessly.
6 posted on 04/22/2005 10:26:02 AM PDT by brushcop
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Disabled fear Schiavo death may hasten euthanasia.

No kidding. That was the whole point.

Remember, if you are physically challenged, the democrat party and the judicial tyrants want you dead. Come to think about it, the battle over judges in Washington directly effects your life (literally).

If you are "disabled" and you want to live, VOTE REPUBLICAN!!

7 posted on 04/22/2005 10:30:17 AM PDT by FormerACLUmember (Honoring Saint Jude's assistance every day.)
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Stupid article. Anyone...disabled or not, should simply fill out a form designating their wishes to be artificially kept alive or to be left alone after such and such a procedure. This can be placed in the care of someone
in the family, a lawyer if you have one, or the nursing
home/hospital where you are receiving care.

This is all just HOOPLA to instill fear in the elderly
or those not capable of putting together a logical
train of thought. Further, anyone, regardless of age,
who has NOT completed such a form is taking a great risk.
I won't add "an idiot" since I know many people are already
getting over the hype instigated in the Schiavo case.

Put it this way: If you have accumulated valuables along
life's journey and you haven't made a statement about what you want done with them upon your demise, then you probably don't give a hoot about what they do with your body once it is no longer useful to you!


8 posted on 04/22/2005 10:32:02 AM PDT by Grendel9
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Ya know,
10 years ago, I was a huge fan of hospice. It was wonderful when many family members became terminally ill.

But one day, in my facility, I heard nurses grumbling about how our hospice wing was 'killing' people. These were good, caring, veteran RN's and I was stopped in my tracks! I learned then that often an elderly resident was put on hospice without a terminal dx. just a 'failure to thrive' dx or 'declining' in the chart.

Often, these folks were relatively alert, oriented...just becoming more difficult to care for--- feeding/eating often being a major 'problem'.

Then on day, the Dr. would prescribe Roxanol for 'pain' and they were out the door in days. Our joke became "If you are lying in a hospital, and hear they are putting you on Roxanol, LEAVE!"

That was years ago. Terri brought a lot of memories back.

Anyhow, I just started consulting in another LTCF, and just this week, I was reviewing a chart and yep...
She is "declining", she is old, fragile and not eating well, but no terminal dx. And I'll be darned...she started on Roxanol that morning because she 'ached'. When I go back next week, I don't expect to see her.

I actually get physically ill on the "old people are evil" or "Gimmee geezers" threads because that mindset makes the above perfectly OK. These are our future caregivers. No amount of LTC insurance will make them care or see your life as having value....cuz it doesn't have value now.


9 posted on 04/22/2005 10:33:14 AM PDT by najida (I wish I had Tina Turner's legs, Ann Coulter's brains and Paris Hilton's credit cards.)
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They have EVERYTHING to fear because of this case, especially if they have any assets of any value that their loving relatives would want.

"Yes, your honor, Granny told us if she ever was in Persistent Vegetative State, that we were to pull the feedin' tube! BTW, can we get the will read early? I've got reservations for a trip around the world."............

10 posted on 04/22/2005 10:35:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Entrepreneurs find a need and fill it. Politicians create a need and fill it........)
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The Culture of Death is winning many key battles these days. They are making steady progress on the euthanasia front. Killing those in a PVS, the old, and those who are not "living". Now we are on to killing those who simply don't want to live anymore. So much for "Never Again". If Hitler had only known. We have killed more of our own children than he could have dreamed of killing. May God forgive us.


12 posted on 04/22/2005 10:36:18 AM PDT by TheDon (Euthanasia is an atrocity.)
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To: amdgmary

What a tremendous post.

Thank you.


14 posted on 04/22/2005 10:38:37 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of life': Another name for the slippery slope into barbarism.)
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I don't imagine we'll start gassing invalids like unwanted puppies until The Evil plants her ample posterior in the Oval office chair.

Yet, we are seeing the total destruction of the Constitution, not just the rights of certain citizens.


16 posted on 04/22/2005 10:41:14 AM PDT by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (Impeach them all!)
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"The social presumption that [Schiavo] would be better off dead appears to have influenced the decisions in the case," Coleman said. "We feel threatened by this, almost as if there is a cognitive test for personhood under the law."

As well they should feel threatened. The above attitude exhibited by so many is utterly appalling and frightening! And yes, there is a test for personhood, and for many, Terri failed that test.

The author makes many other salient points. Well done!

29 posted on 04/22/2005 11:11:53 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Evil succeeds when good men don't do enough!!!!)
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It will.

They no longer have to worry about "if".

Now they only have to worry about "when".


52 posted on 04/22/2005 12:18:53 PM PDT by sport
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To: amdgmary; Disconcerted

Excellent article.


73 posted on 04/22/2005 2:44:13 PM PDT by TheSarce (Liberalism: The irrational, intolerant cult that dare not speak its name.)
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Good grief. You people are mostly against high taxes and socialized medicine. Yet you want to waste millions (per case!) sustaining vegetative persons who are beyond hope. You also claim to cherish and welcome a wonderful afterlife, yet you are deathly worried you'll have to leave this one 5 minutes early.

Fundie logic, indeed.


84 posted on 04/22/2005 10:26:26 PM PDT by doppelganger (A modern Cassandra)
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85 posted on 04/23/2005 12:16:55 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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This article is right on !!!!!!!! Thanks.


91 posted on 04/23/2005 8:34:16 AM PDT by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift my eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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They'd have to get past me first!!


104 posted on 04/23/2005 9:38:53 AM PDT by cubreporter
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I've always had great respect for Joni Erickson Tada and her efforts to publicize the problems of the severely disabled. I remember reading her biography where she states that in the early years following her diving accident, she prayed to the Lord to get well. She prayed with great intensity, day after day, year after year, but she wasn't healed. And then her prayer focus changed to one of acceptance, and she asked the Lord to use her in some way to make a contribution.

She's definitely become a bold instrument of the Lord.

142 posted on 04/25/2005 10:15:44 AM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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You only put animals out of their misery. People suffer and are enobled by it. We do not presume to know the will of God or what is going on inside a persons mind. That is why we do not put people to sleep like dogs or horses.

Why is it different now? It has to do with the same mentality that thinks a man can't keep it in his pants or be expected to use birth control. That we're nothing but animals and good only as far as our animal urges take us. And if we're nothing but animals, why not put us out of our misery when there's nothing more medically that can be done?

I heard a lot of talk about Terri's brain. Very little about her Soul.


146 posted on 04/26/2005 8:42:03 AM PDT by johnb838 (Free Republicans... To Arms!)
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