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New Pope condemns Spain gay bill
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Posted on 04/22/2005 4:08:23 PM PDT by traumer

Pope Benedict XVI has responded firmly to the first challenge of his papacy by condemning a Spanish government bill allowing marriage between homosexuals.

The bill, passed by parliament's Socialist-dominated lower house, also allows gay couples to adopt.

A senior Vatican official described the bill - which is likely to become law within a few months - as iniquitous.

He said Roman Catholic officials should be prepared to lose their jobs rather than co-operate with the law.

The bill would make Spain the first European country to allow homosexual people to marry and adopt children.

Belgium and the Netherlands only allow same-sex marriages. It is also a dramatic step in the rapid secularisation of what was once one of the most devoutly Roman Catholic countries in Europe.

The head of the Vatican's Pontifical Council on the Family, Cardinal Alfonso Lopez Trujillo, denounced the legislation as profoundly iniquitous.

Secular state

Interviewed in the Italian newspaper, Corriere de la Serra, Cardinal Lopez Trujillo said the Church was making an urgent call for freedom of conscience for Roman Catholics and appealing to them to resist the law.

He said every profession linked with implementing homosexual marriages should oppose it, even if it meant losing their jobs.

The cardinal insisted that just because something was made law it did not make it right.

Socialist Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero took office a year ago making it clear he intended to remove what he called the church's undeniable advantages and make Spain a secular state.

There are likely to be further tensions with Pope Benedict XVI. Mr Zapatero has made it clear that he intends to streamline divorce law and even to relax the conditions placed on abortion.


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1 posted on 04/22/2005 4:08:24 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

I like the new Pope already !!


2 posted on 04/22/2005 4:08:48 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Lil'freeper

Ping


3 posted on 04/22/2005 4:13:00 PM PDT by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." Pope JPII)
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To: traumer
Mr Zapatero has made it clear that he intends to streamline divorce law and even to relax the conditions placed on abortion.

The Socialist religion's main tenets: the destruction of the family, and the sacrifice of unborn children to the god of convenience.

4 posted on 04/22/2005 4:13:08 PM PDT by ikka
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To: traumer
Go B-16! Keep bombing the mongrel modernist hoards!

(No irreverence is intended. God Bless the Holy Father and this sacred mission for Truth!)
5 posted on 04/22/2005 4:13:53 PM PDT by lightman (The Office of the Keys should be exercised as some ministry needs to be exorcised.)
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To: traumer
Cool.

And the forthcoming gnashing of Liberals teeth will be like music to my ears.
6 posted on 04/22/2005 4:16:29 PM PDT by Gator101
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To: ikka

It is also a dramatic step in the rapid secularisation of what was once one of the most devoutly Roman Catholic countries in Europe....

Now rapidly descending to islam - and eventually to Hell


7 posted on 04/22/2005 4:16:46 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer
The bill, passed by parliament's Socialist-dominated lower house

Didn't have to read much more about that bill. This is the Spanish equivalent to "our" DemoncRAT party. And, just like their counterparts in Spain, "ours" would love to copy that bill here.

8 posted on 04/22/2005 4:19:46 PM PDT by TheBattman (Islam (and liberals) and gasoline producers and sellers- the cult of Satan)
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To: traumer

Is it okay to say "atta-boy" to the Pope...or do you say "atta-Pope"?


9 posted on 04/22/2005 4:20:27 PM PDT by sierrahome (Department of Redundancy Department)
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To: traumer
Zapatero is not just a socialist, he is Marxist.
10 posted on 04/22/2005 4:21:07 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: traumer

Well, France is definitely headed in that direction, but Spain is less than 1.5% Muslim. Not sure what that has to do with this, though, since the Islamists would be more likely to behead gays than to marry them..


11 posted on 04/22/2005 4:21:47 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: traumer; NYer; Salvation

----He said Roman Catholic officials should be prepared to lose their jobs rather than co-operate with the law.---

This is what I would expect of the Holy Father. One moves towards God or towards Self. The decision is in constant flux, but the Light remains the Light.

Frank


12 posted on 04/22/2005 4:25:52 PM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: traumer

It's typical for socialist countries to replace god with the state and then self destruct. I hope the spanish people will be energized and fight this moral disese.


13 posted on 04/22/2005 4:26:14 PM PDT by ChiMark
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To: traumer

Who are the homosexuals in the Spanish government?


14 posted on 04/22/2005 4:27:57 PM PDT by yoe
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To: lightman

(No irreverence is intended. God Bless the Holy Father and this sacred mission for Truth!)
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Understood! God Bless ANY REAL CONSERVATIVE in my book!


15 posted on 04/22/2005 4:31:53 PM PDT by EagleUSA (Q)
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To: Frank Sheed
Pope Benedict XVI waves to the crowd at the Vatican after his election Tuesday.
16 posted on 04/22/2005 4:33:00 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer
I like the new Pope already !!

Me too! And I'm not even Catholic! ;)

17 posted on 04/22/2005 4:33:36 PM PDT by Brad's Gramma (I'm praying for a LoganMiracle! It CAN happen!!!!)
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To: yoe
Not that there is anything wrong with it.....
18 posted on 04/22/2005 4:34:58 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

Iniquitous! I love it.


19 posted on 04/22/2005 4:44:23 PM PDT by olivia3boys
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To: traumer


wow, who would have thought a Pope would support his church/bible views?
No wonder the Dims are afraid of him!


20 posted on 04/22/2005 4:49:20 PM PDT by golfboy (character is doing what is right, when no one is looking)
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To: traumer
How long has it been since the Pope placed a country under interdict?
21 posted on 04/22/2005 4:52:14 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: traumer
How long has it been since the Pope placed a country under interdict?
22 posted on 04/22/2005 4:52:33 PM PDT by Charlespg (Civilization and freedom are only worthy of those who defend or support defending It)
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To: traumer
He said every profession linked with implementing homosexual marriages should oppose it, even if it meant losing their jobs.

That is going to be a huge flop. It is also stupid. Soon, no one who shares the Pope's world view will be in government or other positions of influence where they administer the law, because one or more of them will be deem "iniquitous." It seems rather assinine.

Maybe a better approach for the hardline wing of the Catholic Church would be to try to more effectively persuade the public square, rather than hector the faithful.

23 posted on 04/22/2005 4:53:28 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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To: Charlespg
How long has it been since the Pope placed a country under interdict?

Since the 1606 interdict of Pope Paul V imposed against Venice.

26 posted on 04/22/2005 5:15:19 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: traumer

Yet more repercussions from the former Gonzalez government's decision to cover up Al Queda's role in the 3/11 attacks for four critical days. Had they been straight with the Spanish people, they would have surely rallied behind them. But Gonzalez lied, and as a result the unmitigated disaster named Zapatero was able to seize power and thrust Spain into a process which will undoubtedly end with their destruction as a power, and eventual submission to Sharia law.


27 posted on 04/22/2005 5:23:31 PM PDT by montag813
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To: traumer
This is a good example as to why Pope John Paul said he was abandoning Europe to focus his efforts on Africa, South America and Southeast Asia (mainly the Phillipines).

Its not surprising that the Anti-Christ will come out of Europe.

28 posted on 04/22/2005 6:09:59 PM PDT by ASTM36
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To: traumer

Do these people expect the Pope to change the word of God?
The bible says homosexuality is an abomination. It always will be in His eyes.

Kudos to the "old guard" Pope!


29 posted on 04/22/2005 6:10:37 PM PDT by followerofchrist
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To: ASTM36
This is a good example as to why Pope John Paul said he was abandoning Europe to focus his efforts on Africa, South America and Southeast Asia (mainly the Phillipines).

Pope John Paul II never said any such thing, and nor did he do any such thing.

30 posted on 04/22/2005 6:15:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Torie

Explain your Modernist point of view to Saint Thomas More who stated, "I am the King's good subject but God's first." He thereupon lost his head. I suppose it all depends on whether you expect your reward in the here or hereafter. The Pope expects his in the hereafter as, by the grace of God, do I.

Cheers,
Frank


31 posted on 04/22/2005 6:16:54 PM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: Charlespg

---How long has it been since the Pope placed a country under interdict?---

Anno Domini 1605

Frank


32 posted on 04/22/2005 6:19:32 PM PDT by Frank Sheed
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To: traumer

What people are not noticing here is the similarities/ how the European socialist and American Democratic party (at least the ones based on the east and west coast) are essentially uniting their policies... Destroy any sense of religion and individual freedom.

After all, they are "going to take away some things from us for the betterment of the community."

Just a thought.


33 posted on 04/22/2005 6:19:56 PM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: Stingy Dog

It's one thing to say if you are a business owner....


34 posted on 04/22/2005 6:20:04 PM PDT by traumer
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To: traumer

btt


35 posted on 04/22/2005 6:20:56 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: traumer

"Iniquitous."

Hey, Boys and Girls! Let's get that word into our everyday vernacular, shall we? :)

I'm not even Catholic, and I say, "This Man Rocks!"


36 posted on 04/22/2005 6:22:49 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: traumer

Good for him. Already I like his style.


37 posted on 04/22/2005 6:29:22 PM PDT by Luke (CPO, USCG (Ret))
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To: Charlespg
How long has it been since the Pope placed a country under interdict?

Oh about 800 years.I believe.I like the idea,and Spain would be a good one to do to.

38 posted on 04/22/2005 6:36:31 PM PDT by painter (We celebrate liberty which comes from God not from government.)
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To: painter

There are many gay republicans too and the catholics have all the molesters. So as a christian republican I say he should clean his own pagan house first.


39 posted on 04/22/2005 6:38:59 PM PDT by radicalliberty
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There are many gay republicans too and the catholics have all the molesters.

What the hell are you talking about?

40 posted on 04/22/2005 6:41:57 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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Sorry I said that wrong. I feel he should first make a statement that the catholic church will clean out the nest of gay liberals that have infiltrated. Have you listen to glenn beck on this issue.


41 posted on 04/22/2005 6:44:04 PM PDT by radicalliberty
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To: radicalliberty
and the catholics have all the molesters.

An idiotic statement refuted by the actions of these protestant molesters, dipstick.

42 posted on 04/22/2005 6:50:17 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: A.A. Cunningham

again i'm sorry because of the superlative. I don't know how to edit or i would. i was refered here by a fellow bush fan from yahoo. again i'm sorry and will be more careful. It seems it's less free flowing here and i wish she would have warned me.


43 posted on 04/22/2005 6:53:51 PM PDT by radicalliberty
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Cheers to you as well. I just think it is a dumb strategy given their point of view, beyond of course disagreeing with it from my point of view.


45 posted on 04/22/2005 7:12:48 PM PDT by Torie (Constrain rogue state courts; repeal your state constitution)
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...rather than hector the faithful.

If they participate in this, they're not all that faithful. You wouldn't know.

46 posted on 04/22/2005 7:15:23 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: radicalliberty

Registered since when, troll?


47 posted on 04/22/2005 7:20:40 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: traumer

Damn! This pope is doing a great job!


48 posted on 04/22/2005 7:25:43 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: radicalliberty
Save the hollow apologies.

What is your explanation for all those protestant molesters.

49 posted on 04/22/2005 7:50:02 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Wiz

And this was his first order of business... !

"Pope Benedict XVI has responded firmly to the first challenge of his papacy by condemning a Spanish government bill allowing marriage between homosexuals "

The media was disappointed that the new Pope is not younger
and more progressive... :o)


50 posted on 04/22/2005 8:12:12 PM PDT by traumer
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