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Loosening Religious Grip at Air Force Academy
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 24, 2005 | David Kelly

Posted on 04/24/2005 2:29:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

.............Cadets and employees are being told they can't proselytize on campus, use government e-mail to send religious messages, put up posters with religious themes or use positions of authority to endorse a particular faith. They must also attend one RSVP class.

About 90% of cadets here are Christian and many of them, as well as teachers and high-ranking officers, are evangelical.

Academy Commandant Brig. Gen. Johnny Weida is a self-described born-again Christian. Last year, football coach Fisher DeBerry hung a banner in the athletic complex that said, "I am a Christian first and last … I am a member of Team Jesus Christ." He later removed it and underwent sensitivity counseling.

When the film, "The Passion of the Christ" came out, some cadets hung posters and sent hundreds of e-mails on campus computers urging people to see it.

Lt. Col. Edie Disler, an English professor who helps run RSVP programs, said some Christians questioned the value of the classes. "They have said: We are in the majority, why do we have to do this?" ......

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: airforceacademy; christians; christophobia; evangelicals; intolerance; militaryacademy; purge; religion; usaf; usafa
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1 posted on 04/24/2005 2:29:27 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Best way to hack a lib off, mention Christ.


2 posted on 04/24/2005 2:31:17 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Never underestimate the power of human stupidity--Robert Heinlein)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

RSVP: "Respecting the Spiritual Values of all People"


3 posted on 04/24/2005 2:33:30 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: AntiGuv
I belong to the largest non-Catholic denomination in the US (So. Baptist). We have been and are continually maligned, even on this site.
4 posted on 04/24/2005 2:44:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: AntiGuv

F@ck sensitivity counseling!


5 posted on 04/24/2005 2:45:08 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Ravi Zacharias said in all of history, the crowning figure of Jesus rises above all. No one will be able to dislodge Him.

Also, there are many, many, many Evangelicals serving in our military. They will be guided by the Holy Spirit, and will remain true. The acadamy is still light years ahead of 99% of college campuses out there in regards to true religious liberty. Most other campuses are boot camps for Marxists.

6 posted on 04/24/2005 2:47:49 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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Cadets and employees are being told they can't proselytize on campus ...

1st Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Sounds like the "enlightened" at the Academy need a refresher course in civics. I hope this gets slammed down.
7 posted on 04/24/2005 2:52:04 AM PDT by GretchenM (Darwin's *theory* of evolution fanned Hitler's all-too-real eugenics.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
About 90% of cadets here are Christian ...

That must kill them. They now feel the need to attack the Air Force Academy to show how much they despise God.

8 posted on 04/24/2005 2:59:35 AM PDT by raybbr
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To: SkyPilot
Most other campuses are boot camps for Marxists.

Bump!

9 posted on 04/24/2005 3:03:08 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: AntiGuv

Then the question becomes, isn't this a two way street.


10 posted on 04/24/2005 3:11:10 AM PDT by cleo1939
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
re:

" As the class ended, one participant, Lt. Col. Marcia Meeks-Eure, paused before leaving.

'I think this sort of thing is very good because it underscores what we are supposed to be doing," she said. "I am Baptist but I won't talk about my faith unless someone asks.'"

She evidently sees this result as an appropriate goal for the "RSVP" political/atheist indoctrination training. Christians will remain silent unless spoken too. Obviously, Lt. Col. Marcia does not need to refrain from her political, philosophical, or pseudo-religious point of view. She has a government sponsored and paid for platform to do just that, i.e. the RSVP class.

Christian's are striped of their Constitutional 1st Amendment rights. The ACLU's anti-religious viewpoint is endorsed and sponsored by the USAF; it becomes the state-sponsored religion (atheism) in direct violation of the establishment clause. This is the only logical, honest conclusion.

Now, if these cadets held mandatory "church", and mandatory "Bible Study" as part of their curriculum, under color of authority, there'd be a 1st Amendment problem. That is not what's occurring here. Even the Coaches banner is a personal, Constitutionally guaranteed statement of faith.

Otherwise, the U.S. Armed Services had better do some major recruiting amongst the "anti-war" (i.e. anti U.S.A.) atheists among the political left, because Christians will not fight for a Constitution where the 1st Amendment applies to everyone but Christians.

SFS

11 posted on 04/24/2005 3:14:23 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

It certainly stands things on end.


12 posted on 04/24/2005 3:18:51 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: mariabush

As a former Army chaplain, we could request a chart showing the percentage breakdown of faith groups of the battalions, brigades, or divisions to which we were assigned. While you are correct that the Southern Baptists are the largest protestant group, those of a baptistic type faith were consistently the largest faith group in our units. By baptistic type faith, I include all manner of baptists, organized or independent, and those other groups that practice and believe in much the same manner as baptists.

The Catholics were regularly about 25% of our reports. The baptistic groups were 33%+.

Just thought you'd like to know that you are a majority.

If you add on groups such as the Assemblies of God, Churches of God, etc., that also practice adult-only baptism, then that percentage goes even higher.


13 posted on 04/24/2005 3:36:24 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
A Majority that is constantly made fun of. Non Baptist like to call us fundilmentist, holy rollers, extremist and on and on. As a child in So. California, even the teachers made crude remarks about my Father, a So. Baptist minister. I was held to a higher standard than the other students and then ridiculed if I did not pass muster. I know a lot about discrimination from people who claim to be "Christian"
14 posted on 04/24/2005 3:50:27 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ('We voted like we prayed")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Loosening Religious Grip at Air Academy"

Oh yeah...nothing biased in that title...no obvious agenda there...nooo sireee bub.

And another thing, did anyone else notice that it looked like all of the PC police mentioned were...female? Whats up with that?

15 posted on 04/24/2005 3:52:44 AM PDT by Khurkris (This tag-line is available on CD ROM. NRA.)
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To: mariabush

I don't know many who call baptists, "holy rollers." That is normally preserved for pentecostal groups.

Nonetheless, if the military is any indication of the larger nation, and I think it is, I'd say that the baptistic groups are our largest denomination.


16 posted on 04/24/2005 3:56:18 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: mariabush

So are the Catholics-So it is with every sect/denomination.
I first accepted Christ at a Billy Graham Crusade for Christ.Iwas a spiritual baby ,a hormonal Christian who came
to Christ because a girl actually paid some attention to me
I joined a Baptist Church affiliated with the SO Baptists and a Deacon told me I could "Never be anythig in that churchnor any other so long as I had the mark of the Beast on my forehead." I ran from that church and swore never to
return unless I had a whor eunder each arm and was loaded with whiskey and curses. (I have since repented and did
return to ask forgiveness.) My point is simply this my father was right any one who trusts in any church,or Pastor ,or Pope , will sooner or later find they trust in the wrong thing. We are to Trust God. And measure all by HIS Word (reflected in the Inspired Word of God,the Bible.)


17 posted on 04/24/2005 3:59:14 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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To: Khurkris
....no obvious agenda there...nooo sireee bub.

Can't get anything past a Freeper. LOL

18 posted on 04/24/2005 4:11:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: StonyBurk; All
............We are to Trust God. And measure all by HIS Word (reflected in the Inspired Word of God,the Bible.)

Yes.

And I'll point out to everyone, I'm sure the LA Times wrote this in a manner to highlight a minority and cause the most rift.

19 posted on 04/24/2005 4:15:06 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SkyPilot

IMO most of the Founders ,and consequently most of the early
American educators understood true Religious Liberty comes
from "knowing God."/From the Christian Religion.Jefferson --
though Not an evangelical Christian studied the Bible more
than most who cite Jefferson today ever do (IMO) and believed the ethics and Morals of Jesus were the finest ever taught. And Jefferson encouraged Christian worship and
Bible reading in school. Journals of Congress,Oct.12,1778
"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid
foundation of public liberty and happiness :Resolved ,That it be and is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."


20 posted on 04/24/2005 4:19:10 AM PDT by StonyBurk
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