Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: Sonar5
Great news for Boeing, and GE.

I don't know if revamping and old airplane to try play catch-up with Airbus in the Jumbo Jet market is such great news.

I see it as an admission by Boeing that they miscalculated the market demand for a bigger plane.

19 posted on 04/25/2005 8:08:21 PM PDT by Jorge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies ]


To: Jorge

Now jorge,

The design is sound, and proven on the 747 and it is a totally different aircraft systems wise, than the originals. Do you understand how many itterations of the 747 there are? This is just one more addition, IMHO.

As far as catch-up, I'm still not sure the market will prove profitable for the A380, nor has it even flown.

AFAIK, it is a Profitable line for the 747.

And you don't have to go extending current runways, infrastructure, etc for the 747.

Boeing is doing just fine, maybe in your version of the world, Boeing should co-op with a few more countries to catch-up and make it a Government Operation.

Let's see how many of those A380 Orders actually get built.

Boeing playing Catch-up with a plane that hasn't even flown yet... Please..... Now that is Funny....

Maybe you can explain your logic on that one please, like Airbus trying to catch up with an almost 40 Year old Aircraft.....

Now that is a better analogy than your version, IMHO.

Take Care,
Joe


20 posted on 04/25/2005 8:43:18 PM PDT by Sonar5 (60+ Million have Spoken Clearly - "We Want Our Country Back")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

To: Jorge
I don't know if revamping and old airplane to try play catch-up with Airbus in the Jumbo Jet market is such great news.

I see it as an admission by Boeing that they miscalculated the market demand for a bigger plane.

Not at all. The 747 Advanced is just a minor stretch. The capacity will increase from 419 to 450 seats. The current 777-400 model is too close in size to the 777-300 and 777-300ER which seat about 360 passengers or about the same number as the 747-100 and 747-200. The 777 models being newer and twin engined have significantly less fuel burn per seat mile. That's a major reason why orders for new 747s especially passenger versions have significantly decreased. Some operators like QANTAS have never ordered the 777, because they don't want to operate under ETOPS restrictions. They got a few 747-400ERs to make it easier to operate the LAX-SYD and LAX-MEL routes year round with full passenger and cargo loads.

The 747 Advanced will weigh at least 100 tons less than the A380 and will have better seat mile costs while having longer range. The passenger version will have a capacity about midway between the A340-600 and the A380-800, and Airbus will not be able to economically build a competitor in the same capacity class. The A330/340/350 models have been stretched about as much as the can be while the proposed A380-700 with a 475 passenger capacity would weigh much more than the 747 Advanced while having higher per seat costs. The A380-800 models fill the available manufacturing slots so Airbus won't be able to put out a competitive product before Boeing in the 400-500 passenger capacity range. The 747 Advanced would have significant cost advantages for airlines that already operate 747s. If Boeing goes ahead with the 747 modernizaion, they could take quite a bit of sales away from Airbus. Remember Airbus needs to make back its $15 billion development costs plus interest while Boeing will only need to recover $2-3 billion to modernize the 747.

There is already a model for this. In the early 1990s Boeing developed the 737 Next Generation 600-900 models. They desinged a new and bigger wing and updated systems while keeping the same fuseage cross section and commonality to a large proportion of 737 classic parts. The 737NG models out perform the Airbus A320 series in both range and operational economy without having to be competely redesigned from scratch.

21 posted on 04/25/2005 8:49:09 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson