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Mom, 5-year-old girl in video fires lawyer, moving out of state
St. Petersburg Times ^ | April 26, 2005 | THOMAS C. TOBIN

Posted on 04/26/2005 5:02:47 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: sageb1

Sterilization.

I'm sorry. Couldn't resist.


261 posted on 04/26/2005 8:50:20 AM PDT by SoVaDPJ
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To: Dallas59
In other words poor, little, abused Jacklisia needs to be fined and arrested for wasting valuable State time and resources, and preventing other children from learning

I can also envision some civil litigation with the school system, the parents and their children as plaintiffs - a real "class action".

262 posted on 04/26/2005 8:52:19 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: soundandvision
No flame from me. I think people are trying to deal with this on a local level. Unfortunately, you will rarely ever see the parent of a real problem child show up at any meeting to discuss issues of this nature. The other problem, of course, is that many of the parents of our younger children (like this particular case) have grown up in the generation which, rather than working together with the teachers, has begun to question the authority of the school. The "it's not my child's fault" generation.

"That also means mom will have to find a way to stay home with her"

Hmmmm...you may have hit upon something here, though :)

263 posted on 04/26/2005 8:52:59 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: soundandvision

grrrrr.....


264 posted on 04/26/2005 8:53:40 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: SoVaDPJ

"Sterilization.

I'm sorry. Couldn't resist."


lol! I have the same exact thought at least once a day.


265 posted on 04/26/2005 8:55:25 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: All

I think the officers did the right thing by handcuffing her -- this child was obviously out of control and she could have caused some real harm, not only to others, but to herself as well. As it was, the tape showed her punching someone (the assistant principal or whoever). "Arresting" her and putting her in a police car -- well, I think that might have been over the top. But restraining the child I think was the best anyone could have done under the circumstances.

The other thing is: We don't know whether this child has some physical or emotional problem that caused her to act out. I could only hope her parent(s) will look into that possibility, if he/she/they have not already done so.


266 posted on 04/26/2005 8:58:07 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: cyborg

The conversation happened three or four years ago. He wasn't married then, he was just becoming visible as a pro-golfer. The young women had to have been very very smart and accomplished. I felt very bad for them because they didn't realize that being negative like that rubs off on them.

BTW I thought Tiger Woods was half Asian and 1/4 black.


267 posted on 04/26/2005 8:58:21 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: fatnotlazy
" I could only hope her parent(s) will look into that possibility, if he/she/they have not already done so."

She hasn't, believe me. The mother is part of the problem.

268 posted on 04/26/2005 9:00:15 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Back in the Thirties, my grandmother told a salesman, named Mr. Shitz (not sure of the spelling) to change his name.

That reminds me: My grandmother would not marry my grandfather until he legally changed his name. She was only half Jewish and had her father's WASPy maiden name. She did not want to be a Mrs. Finkelstein because it was so identifiably Jewish and she didn't want her children to suffer because of it. This was in the 20's and there was a lot more prejudice than there is now. I think.

269 posted on 04/26/2005 9:01:04 AM PDT by ariamne (reformed liberal--Shieldmaiden of the Infidel)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
As an educator AND a Deputy Sheriff, I can tell you that the out of control girl needed to be handcuffed for her own protection. She was, "A danger to self and to others" in California, the very definition of Welfare and Institutions Code 5150.

W&I 5150 in this state is instant justification to take control of an individual for their own safety and for other's safety, regardless of age.

You may count the number of hits (misdemeanor battery) the girl laid into the vice principal. You may look closely and see her try to bite also when removed from the top of the desk or table. Age has no bearing on the law. To NOT cuff her, and have her continue to attack others and property would have been wrong.

If I was the VP, I would swear out charges of battery and PC 594 vandalism in this case, and force the mother to have to stand before a judge and be accountable for this child, and possibly be forced into mandatory counseling. The child would be then, in this state, a W&I code 601 (incorrigable) or a W&I code 602 (juvenile offender) and would have the system of probation become involved to check on the family for improvement over a period of time.

270 posted on 04/26/2005 9:02:10 AM PDT by J. Semper Paratus
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To: sageb1
My little one is not yet 2 but I've really tried hard to seperate myself from the emotional stance and remember how my parents were with me.

I've already made up my mind to, on day one of school, tell the teacher that if my son causes any problems for her or is in anyway not a good boy to give me a ring and we'll be sure to nip it in the bud.

I haven't totally decided whether or not to send him to the county school here (thank God it definitely won't be city schools) or some private Christian school like I went to. Just not sure yet..

271 posted on 04/26/2005 9:03:36 AM PDT by soundandvision
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To: sageb1

Just a thought, but an important one. It would appear that the mother of this child is fairly low income and probably not very highly-educated, however, it is also important to remind parents of any income or educational level that there is such a things as over-parenting. That can be just as harmful as under-parenting and neglect.


272 posted on 04/26/2005 9:04:05 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: ladyjane

He's pretty mixed like I am, except my mom isn't from this country and the indian blood is Arawak :-) He also was raised by a immigrant mother and a patriotic father like myself which brings on a completely different dynamic in one's mentality. My mom had adopted Tiger as her son except he doesn't know it yet.


273 posted on 04/26/2005 9:04:59 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: sageb1

When you say over parenting -- what do you mean? I'm genuinely interested.


274 posted on 04/26/2005 9:06:08 AM PDT by soundandvision
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To: sageb1

You make a very important point.


275 posted on 04/26/2005 9:06:35 AM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: sageb1

She hasn't, believe me. The mother is part of the problem.

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And that's too bad. It's so easy to blame the school, the officers, etc. etc. rather than determining the root cause of the problem and seeking a possible solution that would be beneficial for the child.

True story: Friends of my father's had a daughter who had a learning disability. She was first sent to Catholic school where the nuns immediately recognized the problem and told the parents about it. Instead of trying to get help for their daughter, the parents pulled their daughter out of Catholic school and sent her to public school. She "graduated" from public school, but in reality, she was just passed from grade to grade without really receiving an education. Had she received some sort of special education, she might have been reasonably productive within the limitations of her disability.


276 posted on 04/26/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: soundandvision

You sound like you have it pretty together as a parent and I congratulate you. It takes responsible families to make a village! :) I had four and my youngest is a mother. For me, it's a "been there, done that" thing, but I know when this became a major societal issue. That was back in the late eighties and early nineties and EVERYTHING changed. I wish you luck.


277 posted on 04/26/2005 9:09:27 AM PDT by sageb1
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To: MisterRepublican

You said exactly what I was thinking as I was viewing the videos.


278 posted on 04/26/2005 9:11:41 AM PDT by lilmsdangrus (hard work musta hurt somebody, somewhere....)
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To: sageb1

Well I defintely don't have it 'together' but I do analize this stuff a lot because I want to make sure he grows up to be a proper young man. I'm lucky his mommy is there, she's the parent really, I'm the pushover. :)


279 posted on 04/26/2005 9:11:45 AM PDT by soundandvision
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pinellas.......smells familiar.....


280 posted on 04/26/2005 9:12:55 AM PDT by Nightshift (Faith is something everyone has. The question is faith in what?)
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