American Border Secrets

Jewish World Review ^ | April 26, 2005 | Daniel Pipes

[jan in Colorado]

What steps should Western border agencies take to defend their homelands from harm by Islamists?

In the case of non-citizens, the answer is simple: Don't let Islamists in. Exclude not just potential terrorists but also anyone who supports the totalitarian goals of radical Islam. Just as civilized countries did not welcome fascists in the early 1940s (or communists a decade later), they need not welcome Islamists today.

But what about one's own citizens who cross the border? They could be leaving to fight for the Taliban or returning from a course on terrorism techniques. Or perhaps they studied with enemies of the West who incited them to sabotage or sedition. Clearly, the authorities should take steps to find out more about their activities, especially given the dangerous jihadi culture already in place in many Western countries, including Canada.

This question arose in late December 2004, after a three-day Islamist conference, "Reviving the Islamic Spirit," took place in Toronto. The event, boasting a host of high-profile Islamist speakers such as Bilal Philips, Zaid Shakir, Siraj Wahhaj, and Hamza Yusuf, alarmed the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), America's new border agency..

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[Gondring]

OK Gondring,here is the written account of Jesus in the temple. What exactly is your question about it?

I have no question about it... I was just pointing out that it was more than "words alone" that Jesus used in the temple. He kicked some butt. This contradicts the post to which I was responding.

The fact that Jesus was angry? Yes, He was angry and He let the people involved know it!

Hmmm... if I'm not mistaken, that's the New American Standard translation you're quoting above.

So Jesus was angry, you say? Interesting how that fits in with the way the New American Standard translates Matthew 5:22...

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

Admittedly, it's better than the NIV, but still leaves the problem of a "guilty" Jesus.

I couldn't find any instructions where Jesus told them to use the swords, in fact when a disciple cut the ear off of the slave of the high priest, Jesus said to stop and Jesus reattached the ear!

Right. I know of no such passage where He instructs them to use the swords. Who knows for sure why that comment was made--I've heard it was just to warn them that they would all be under the gun...I mean sword...soon. But we don't know for sure.

In fact, it's a mystery why Jesus actively resisted the moneychangers yet allowed Himself to be captured and executed--quite a change of tactics. Was not His body a temple? Why not protect it from desecration, if we're to be consistent? An interesting puzzle.

So Gondring,since Jesus told the disciples to carry swords (be armed), does that give the 2nd amendment even more credibility?

I think the 2nd Amendment needs no "credibility" from the Bible, as it stands on its own. However, if you are asking whether this verse helps to convince modern Christians that guns are not evil, then the answer is "yes". Many Christians these days have grown up with the idea that Jesus' ministry was purely anti-militant, anti-violence, and therefore, by extension, anti-weaponry. Well, if one is to believe active resistance is allowed, then weaponry makes sense.

[Gondring]

Strongly anti-Catholic sentiment in the US did exist, but it really never originated from, nor took firm root in, the mainstream of our society.

Still, it won seats and electoral votes...using the same rhetoric you're using.

Fact is, when it came down to it, many "Catholics" didn't just blindly follow the Pope against the US. I daresay many Muslims will not blindly commit mass-murder, too. Some might say they are not True Muslims^TM, so then why harass them as if they are?

[Gondring]

I was going to delete this, but I already hit the "Post" button. It's too late now...everyone knows!!!!

LMHO! Well done... :-)

Glad to see that some FReepers still have a sense of humour! :-)

[Gondring]

Again, I am deferring to having heard this cited on PBS.

Well, it doesn't add up even for "Army"... perhaps in one specific theatre, or a unit, or perhaps it's casualties that was listed, but the numbers just can't work the way you stated them.

Hint...Deferring to PBS is not a good means of supporting your argument--it calls into question all of your statements. :-)

[Fred Nerks]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=6473

(snip)

CAIR'S recently published 2002 Civil Rights Report reads much like virtually all other "civil rights" reports that are preordained to "discover" that the purportedly victimized groups in question are suffering unimaginable pain. It details "incidents and experiences of anti-Muslim violence, stereotyping, discrimination, and harassment" allegedly spawned by the "epidemic" of "Islamophobic backlash that occurred following the September 11 terrorist attacks." According to the report, "Muslims in the United States are more apprehensive than ever about discrimination and intolerance." From passenger profiling at airports, to crackdowns on visa violators, to the closing of terrorist-linked Muslim charities like the HLF, to the Patriot Act's provisions (which, incidentally, made possible the recent crucial arrest of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed) - all of these measures, according to CAIR, constitute proof that "discrimination is now part of daily life for American Muslims."

Predictably, CAIR says nothing about the remarkable prosperity of Muslims in America, who in fact constitute the most affluent Muslim society on earth. As Daniel Pipes reported in November 2000, American Muslims "boast among the highest rates of education of any group in the country (a whopping 52 percent appear to hold graduate degrees), and this translates into a pattern of prestigious and remunerative employment." Muslim Americans' median household income of about $69,000 stands well above the national average.

[Gondring]

As Daniel Pipes reported in November 2000, American Muslims "boast among the highest rates of education of any group in the country (a whopping 52 percent appear to hold graduate degrees), and this translates into a pattern of prestigious and remunerative employment." Muslim Americans' median household income of about $69,000 stands well above the national average.

Those ignorant barbarians, stuck in the Dark Ages!

[Fred Nerks]

The Words Of
Samuel Adams:

"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an ever lasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."

[Fred Nerks]

And I'm pleased to read that all that harassment and profiling hasn't stopped anyone from sharing the American Dream.

[Squire Eaton]

It is posts like this one that scare me the most. I will not expound upon how I am frightened as this would just become one more disagreement between two people who both love America but disagree on how to protect the great country we have. I truly believe that Is real is more of a threat to the United States than any given Islamist country. The way Isreal has treated Palestine is certainly the largest cause of the grief in the middle east.

Squire Eaton

[CHARLITE]

"The way Isreal has treated Palestine is certainly the largest cause of the grief in the middle east.

.....hmmm-m-m. And what role did the disgustingly corrupt Yassir Arafat (and his equally corrupt inner circle) have in the "grief" of the Palestinians, the endless murder of Israeli citizens, and the decades of unabated destabilization of the middle east?

For one thing, if he and his Paris-based wife could have possibly made ends meet on - say - $200 million out of the billion they stole from U.S. financial aid, perhaps the plight of the Palestinians whom he played like an old, but functioning violin........would have improved.

Char

[Fred Nerks]

THE FIRST PALESTINIAN STATE

Oh. You didn’t know there was a First Palestinian State?

It’s not necessary to go back to 1964 when, with Egypt’s help, the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization) was formed - with the sole intent of engaging in terror for the purpose of conquering the Jewish State, with the assistance of all the Arab/Muslim nations. Those goals of the PLO have not changed.(1) Yasser Arafat was elected Chairman of the PLO in 1969.

Arafat and his terrorists ended up in the Kingdom of Jordan after a series of unsuccessful wars by the Arab/Muslim nations against Israel. There, they arrogantly walked the streets of Amman well-armed and with supreme confidence. They intimidated the people of Jordan. Between 1967 and 1971, the PLO challenged King Hussein for political control of Jordan. Hussein made 26 agreements to keep the Peace. Arafat signed them all and broke them all. The last straw would be when Arafat put out a kill order for King Hussein’s brother, who commanded the Jordanian Army and, particularly, the special Bedouin troops who had clashed numerous times with Arafat’s thugs. This was not going to be Arafat’s State by coup d’etat, but it was a lesson in his MO (Modus Operandi).

Hussein’s Army was called up and a memorable slaughter of Arafat’s followers took place, an event the Arab Palestinians called "Black September".(2) The major conflict began in September 1970, but took 17 months until Arafat’s terrorists fled, mostly into Lebanon. However, many crossed the Jordan and were rescued by Israeli settling pioneers on the west side of the Jordan River.

In Lebanon, the Arab Palestinians were greeted with open arms by their so-called brother Arabs. It was a case of mistaken identity, which the Lebanese did not know then was a one-sided hudna (time of false peace, rest and re-arming for Arafat’s terrorists). To this day, the Lebanese people bitterly regret opening their borders to Arafat’s Arab Palestinians.

Then, it began. Arafat first established the parameters of a terror state much as they started to do in Jordan before Black September. Wherever they gained critical mass in numbers and arms, that area of the city or country became theirs. Every street corner was an Arab Palestinian ‘checkpoint’ to collect pass-through money, but also, frequently, to rape women passengers, steal cars and extort whatever they wanted. As in Jordan, Arafat’s Arab Muslim Palestinian gunman acted as conquerors, threatening everyone, looting and taxing through terror.

As Arafat expanded his control over Christian and Muslim Lebanese, they too became part of the conflict that became a 12-year Civil War, killing 100,000 Christian and Muslim Lebanese.

Lebanon had once been called the Paris of the Middle East, the Garden of Eden spot for vacationing Arabs, with a Banking Center for the Arab world - but all that was destroyed. The Christians and Muslims had worked out a ‘peaceful, political accommodation’ to run Lebanon and, particularly, Beirut. Arafat had stirred them up, so now they were bitter enemies, attacking each other and fighting Arafat’s Palestinian Mini-State of Terror. The killings went on day and night, with whole villages massacred, with a retaliatory massacre soon after. Arafat turned the various Arab refugee camps into his bases of operation. Weapons and explosives were stored in apartment building, hospitals and schools, using the civilians as human shields.

As confusion and terror reigned, Arafat continued to expand his mini-State of Palestine with the presumption that one day all of Lebanon would be a Palestinian State.

Arafat’s methods were a mirror image of what Americans found in Iraq, particularly Bagdad, where Saddam’s family and Republican Guards wreaked havoc. Granted, Saddam’s regime was larger and very well-funded, but the hideous brutality was virtually the same.

Arafat’s gunman roamed the streets with modified pick-up trucks, manned with 30-50 caliber guns mounted in back. They were looking for various factions of Christian militia to gun down, but Muslims were also shot dead - as were any of the few Jews who still lived in Lebanon. (By that time, the Arab/Muslim nations had ejected almost all of their Jews (approximately 800,000) and had confiscated all their property and assets - personal and community. In effect, this was a replay of Hitler and Europe’s confiscation of all that their Jews owned.)

Read More: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1037839/posts

[RS]

I'll drink to that !

[Evolution]

Many Freepers agree their was a coverup and CLinton knew Al-Qaeda was involved.

Why are you so protective of CLinton?

[RS]

"Why are you so protective of CLinton?"

LOL -

The true protectors of the Clintons are the ones who toss out the wildest accusations - burying the sordid truth in a mountain of unsupportable fables.

[Evolution]

The true protectors of the Clintons are the ones who toss out the wildest accusations - burying the sordid truth in a mountain of unsupportable fables.

So what is the truth then please enlighten me?

[RS]

"So what is the truth then please enlighten me?"

Catch me on a Hillery thread sometime - You're new here, but mostly we try to keep threads on topic.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/garyaldrich/ga20050413.shtml

[Evolution]

Fact is the MSM takes conspiracys against Pubbies and treat them as legit stories even when their is no shred of fact.

Their are many conspiracys against Dems that have many facts and possible legs and need to be used!

[jan in Colorado]

Admittedly, it's better than the NIV, but still leaves the problem of a "guilty" Jesus

A guilty Jesus? Oh Gondring, you might want to be careful here!

I am sure you are aware the Scripture you are referring to (Matthew 5:22) was comparing the "Old" Law regarding murder to the "New" Law which had even higher goals of not even being angry. It also was regarding taking your "brother" to court. It didn't say being angry was a sin!

Be angry, and yet do not sin;do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity." Ephesians 4:26-27

They were being encouraged to settle their differences amongst themselves instead of taking each other to court! Wish that was being practiced today!

Jesus NEVER instructs them to use their swords. "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you," Matthew 5:44

As Jesus was dying on the cross he said,

"Father forgive them;for they do not know what they are doing." Luke 23:34

Maybe it's just me, but it sure doesn't sound like Jesus was ordering a jihad!

Love and forgiveness is what Jesus taught and He lived a perfect life!

In fact, it's a mystery why Jesus actively resisted the moneychangers yet allowed Himself to be captured and executed--quite a change of tactics. Was not His body a temple? Why not protect it from desecration, if we're to be consistent? An interesting puzzle.

Jesus didn't resist the moneychangers, he threw them out! He "allowed" himself to be captured because He willing died for you, Gondring, and all the rest of us so that we have the choice to accept His gift of forgiveness and Salvation.

Don't worry, Gondring, Jesus rose again, so "they" didn't destroy anything. The prophecy from the Old Testament was fulfilled!

As to the 2nd amendment...I was just having some fun! ;0)

Sorry for the preaching and getting off topic, but I had to respond to the post regarding a "guilty" Jesus!!!

Everyone have a Blessed day!

[Kretek]

then why aren't the pages of this thread overflowing with people rushing to correct or contradict my assertions?

Because I am thoroughly sick and tired of squishing bigots like you.

[AmericanArchConservative]

Well, you managed to get the first half of your sentence correct - it does appear, in my expert diagnosis, that you are indeed thoroughly sick and tired!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

(Waaah! *sniffle* Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo! whiiiiiiine....mommy make the bad man stop saying mean things about those nice, peaceful, truthful muslims...or I'll - I'll stomp my foot and snort like a horsey.)

HINT: The REAL bigots are the ones who HATE ALL JEWS and CHRISTIANS (to the point of centering a religion around KILLING them all) or the ones who SUPPORT, DEFEND, or EXCUSE a religion which plainly advocates behaving that way. I have yet to say I hate the muzzies, but I certainly do not trust them or their religion, and the words of their "holy" book, and their paedophile prophet offer a litany of reasons why I should not.

little tyke, don't cry... that squishy stuff you feel is in your knickers, and those can be cleaned.

Your reach has been measured, and found to exceed your grasp. Take a nap, and let the real men out in the world do the work. They can manage without you, somehow.

A.A.C.

{an Elephant, stomping on Chihuahuas, and swatting down botflies...}