Just was thinking...that should have "Foreign (e.g., Fred Nerks) or Domestic (e.g., AAC)" after "attacks". :-)
I suppose nobody is above suspicion and we should all be searched at the border, eh? 
Posted on 04/26/2005 7:55:09 AM PDT by jan in Colorado
What steps should Western border agencies take to defend their homelands from harm by Islamists?
In the case of non-citizens, the answer is simple: Don't let Islamists in. Exclude not just potential terrorists but also anyone who supports the totalitarian goals of radical Islam. Just as civilized countries did not welcome fascists in the early 1940s (or communists a decade later), they need not welcome Islamists today.
But what about one's own citizens who cross the border? They could be leaving to fight for the Taliban or returning from a course on terrorism techniques. Or perhaps they studied with enemies of the West who incited them to sabotage or sedition. Clearly, the authorities should take steps to find out more about their activities, especially given the dangerous jihadi culture already in place in many Western countries, including Canada.
This question arose in late December 2004, after a three-day Islamist conference, "Reviving the Islamic Spirit," took place in Toronto. The event, boasting a host of high-profile Islamist speakers such as Bilal Philips, Zaid Shakir, Siraj Wahhaj, and Hamza Yusuf, alarmed the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), America's new border agency..
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Oh yeah, all those Catholic terrorist blowing up America way back when? Get real and up to date. Islam says one thing, "Join us or pay a submission tax".
I believe it will survive the current crisis as well, though if we are speaking of the Patriot Act, I just don't see it as a threat to the Constitution.
And it depends on what you mean by singling out citizens who have committed no crime. Do I believe in deporting or putting them in internment camps? No, not at all. Do I believe in surveilance of certain so-called charities, houses of religion, and Islamic web sites? Yes, in accordance with the Patriot Act. And what has brought me to this belief? The actions of the parties in question, no more, no less. When soldiers frag their own officers because they believe their religion is a higher order than loyalty to their country, we have a problem. That is, admittedly, one example, but there are many more.
It is a fine line to walk, and we must step carefully, lest we lose what we are fighting so hard to preserve.
No Profiling no fingerprinting allowed at airports or borders, hey Gondring?
CAIR Defends Man Testing Security Procedures
On April 12, 2004, the Star-Telegram reported the conviction of a man who was testing the security system at Dallas/Ft. Worth Airport. According to the paper, Fazal Karim, a Pakistani national in the United States Illegally, attempted to smuggle 32 double-edged razor blades tucked in a coiled belt carried inside a cardboard box in carry-on luggage. (Karim is a Canadian citizen who was an illegal alien at the time of his arrest).
Just what did Karim do that attracted the attention of screeners?
1. He lied about his immigration status. (Illegal alien)
2. He placed his carry-on luggage on the conveyor belt; then walked away from it to a non-adjacent passenger screening device.
3. Told screeners the blades:
a. For shaving the bottom of his full beard. (Note: He had blades, no handles).
b. Said the blades were for a friend in Houston. (Note: ACAIR can find no record of there being a razor blade shortage in Texas)
c. Stated he didn’t know the blades were in the luggage.
And the response of the Council on American-Islamic Relations?
According to the Star-Telegram,
“A spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations said in an earlier interview that Karim’s prosecution fit a pattern of singling out travelers from predominantly Muslim nations after the 9-11 terrorist attacks.”
Once again, CAIR attempts to turn this into another example of profiling Muslims, despite there being absolutely no evidence that the screeners acted against Karim because of his religious beliefs.
Karim attempted to carry 32 double-edged razor blades onto an aircraft. His explanations were disingenuous and he was acting suspicious. CAIR disparages law enforcement again, when it implies that good security work is simply a case of profiling.
Karim’s defense attorney, Marlo Cadeddu had this to say:
“I don’t believe the government would have taken the position that it took if Mr. Karim were not a Muslim.”
Cadeddu can make all the unreasonable statements he cares too, but the simple fact remains that he has not told anyone how the screeners knew that Karim is a Muslim.
In any case, Karim has five years to do in the prison system and we won’t have to worry about him, or his razor blades, any time soon. He is to be deported following completion of his sentence.
ANTI-CAIR
http://www.anti-cair-net.org/
The Words Of
Samuel Adams:
"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks.
We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an ever lasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."
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FD, glad to see you pop in for a word or two; you have been MISSED very much--hope to see a little more of your always spot-on posts in the future.
Take care, my friend.
Seems I've had to do a lot of reading for people lately. >sigh<
I know you're an Aussie, so I'll explain... Both the United States and Canada are on North America, and the usage "American" applies to both in some cases, but when talking about citizenship, "American" generally applies to the United States only.
I LOVE the Samuel Adams quote! If a few more of the anti-Constitution types would learn to read, perhaps they wouldn't be so quick to attack our hard-fought rights! I'm gonna drink a bottle of Sam Adams tonight in support of his quote! (Thanks for that pic upthread, RS!)
Excellent analogy. (you have freepmail, sil vous plait)
Just was thinking...that should have "Foreign (e.g., Fred Nerks) or Domestic (e.g., AAC)" after "attacks". :-)
I suppose nobody is above suspicion and we should all be searched at the border, eh?
"It will bring an ever lasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."
Who are the 'false and designing men', Gondring?
As opposed to supporting concentration camps?
I'm proud to stand firmly against you on that...I'm against them and am not ashamed of that.
You're right, the little labrador dog knows the drill. Nice picture.
This is for the three of you:
And we're still pulling and praying for you Texas Cowboy!
kevubg =leaving... Oh well, sorry...
" We are confronting an ideology in the form of a culture and religion that openly advocates destruction, murder and the overthrow of the United States. And we're supposed to give members of that religion and culture the benefit of the doubt, kevubg the terrorists among them are free to perpetrate their mayhem."
America... What a country ! ... Where you are not guilty of something untill you actually do it !
"RS, you have become tiresome. "
Your first post on this thread and you are tired of me allready ? How do you stay wake reading AAC's ?
( Or more specifically, the rants from whatever websites he is copying them from )
you obviously do not have even a basic knowledge of islam.
to speak out against it means death.
their goal IS for all to be islamic or dead.
Those who would weaken our Constitution to allow a takeover by militant Muslims or Communists or anyone else. But even if some FReepers of this thread are helping those groups, I wouldn't place them in that category, I like to believe you are all well-meaning but misguided.
Truly false and designing men would be those who intentionally want to harm the United States...such as many leftists...as well as those who don't mind if the US is harmed, such as many MSM personnel (yes, also leftists). Many of them are working to encourage more intrusive governmental presence, as well as division among good people of the country. They assist groups like CAIR, even if their goals are not aligned entirely.
"you obviously do not have even a basic knowledge of islam."
Nope - all I know is what I have read and experienced myself, not what I picked up from some hate-mongers who would toss OUR liberties out the window for a false sense of security.
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