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Bill advances to put serial number on every bullet (Kal)
sacbee ^ | 4-26-05

Posted on 04/26/2005 8:27:23 PM PDT by LouAvul

SACRAMENTO (AP) - A proposal to put a serial number on every handgun bullet passed a Senate committee Tuesday and law enforcement officials said they hoped the novel effort would spread to other states.

The measure cleared the Senate Public Safety Committee Tuesday on a 4-2 vote over opposition from sportsmen, firearms dealers and manufacturers who said it is impractical and would harm law-abiding citizens.

The technology now exists to laser-cut each bullet with a serial number, said Sen. Joseph Dunn, D-Garden Grove, who is carrying the bill. Police would immediately be able to trace who purchased bullets used in crimes. Purchasers would pay up to a halfpenny per bullet to fund record-keeping by the state Department of Justice on every handgun-caliber bullet made or sold in California. Vendors would pay up to $50 a year to register. Rifle ammunition would be exempted, though some calibers are used in both handguns and long guns.

"We'll solve a lot of crimes if this becomes law," said Attorney General Bill Lockyer, who supported the bill. "This proposal is kind of like DNA science applied to ballistics."

He acknowledged criminals could find ways around the law, but said milk, medicine, soda cans and most other things sold in stores have identification numbers.

"Why not bullets?" he said.

Lawrence Keane, general counsel of the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers' Institute Inc., said American manufacturers produce 8 billion bullets a year, 15 million a day. They would have to either stop selling in California or rebuild ammunition plants at a cost of hundred of millions of dollars, he said, disputing far lower cost estimates by proponents.

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TOPICS: Extended News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; california; donutwatch; leo; libertarians; privacy; sb357
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There are so many holes in this asinine theory it's not worth consideration. Idiots.
1 posted on 04/26/2005 8:27:24 PM PDT by LouAvul
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To: LouAvul

How stupid...sheesh...just create a market for reloaders like me...bring it on.


2 posted on 04/26/2005 8:28:57 PM PDT by Cornpone (Aging Warrior -- Aim High -- Who Dares Wins)
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To: LouAvul

I rejoice that I no longer live in that state.


3 posted on 04/26/2005 8:29:51 PM PDT by claudiustg (Go Sharon! Go Bush!)
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To: LouAvul

Lotsa luck.


4 posted on 04/26/2005 8:30:19 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (C: May the Force be with you. P: And also with you.)
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To: LouAvul

Is she talking about stamping a number on the bullet? Most bullets deform on impact. What the hell is she smoking?


5 posted on 04/26/2005 8:31:12 PM PDT by Petronski (Pope Benedict XVI: A German Shepherd on the Throne of Peter)
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To: LouAvul

I think for once and for all we need a pre-emption concept to SQUAsh all these asinine anti-secondment amendment laws.

States like WAckofornia must not be allowed to use their size to bully regulations onto other more sensible states.


6 posted on 04/26/2005 8:31:18 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: LouAvul

Wow!!! Now they'll be able to solve every gun crime that ever happens and we'll all live forever in a perfect world!


7 posted on 04/26/2005 8:31:52 PM PDT by digger48
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To: LouAvul

It looks like Chris Rock's idea about "bullet control" instead of "gun control" is starting to take hold. All they need to do now is raise the price to $5000 per bullet.


8 posted on 04/26/2005 8:31:57 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: LouAvul

What retards. It takes all of five seconds to abrade them off.


9 posted on 04/26/2005 8:32:25 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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To: Petronski

Even if they put the serial number on the case, all you have to do is take the case with you. Of course, they will just make it a felony to possess a spent bullet casing once they figure this out.


10 posted on 04/26/2005 8:34:02 PM PDT by nhoward14
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To: LouAvul
The technology now exists to laser-cut each bullet with a serial number, said Sen. Joseph Dunn, D-Garden Grove, who is carrying the bill. Police would immediately be able to trace who purchased bullets used in crimes.

Wow - putting little numerals on bullets will do all that? Well, not unless the distributor is forced to keep records on who he sends the lots to and the retailer is forced to keep a list of who he sells the ammunition to. Not that this could properly described as a registration program or anything...

They're either idiots, or they think we're idiots, or both.

11 posted on 04/26/2005 8:34:05 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: LouAvul

Am I the only person who thinks there's a 'hidden agenda' behind some of the anti-lead laws and policies?


12 posted on 04/26/2005 8:34:45 PM PDT by supercat ("Though her life has been sold for corrupt men's gold, she refuses to give up the ghost.")
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To: LouAvul

Of course to trace who bought them would require each lot of ammo to be tracked including the name and address of the buyer, and each sale recorded and reported to the state. The cost and red tape would simply result in gun dealers no longer selling handgun ammo (much of which can also be used in rifles). The result is that handgun ammo would simply be unavailable in CA. Which of course is the real goal of this bill. Meanwhile criminals would simply import ammo from neighboring states.


13 posted on 04/26/2005 8:35:26 PM PDT by Hugin
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it's not worth consideration. Idiots....

Pol-gun-grabbers-grabbing headlines ping

14 posted on 04/26/2005 8:37:54 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck (The Flogging Will Continue Until Morale Improves)
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To: supercat
Am I the only person who thinks there's a 'hidden agenda' behind some of the anti-lead laws and policies?

There is no "hidden agenda". The agenda is right out front. What is working here is sheer idiocy. Pure and simple idiocy.

15 posted on 04/26/2005 8:38:15 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: Hugin

or they will do what blank CD makers have done with "data cd"s vs "blank music cd"s, we will have bullets all labeled for "rifle use only".


16 posted on 04/26/2005 8:41:07 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: LouAvul
Chairman Mao needs to have his name laser etched off the AG door.


17 posted on 04/26/2005 8:47:08 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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To: flying Elvis
What these people have never heard of a metal file?

How do they ever get elected to office? And shouldn't they have some type of expert to tell them that this won't work?

I've never fired a gun in my life, but that doesn't mean I know nothing about metal working. They must simply think that they govern over idiots and simpletons.

18 posted on 04/26/2005 8:49:20 PM PDT by perfect stranger (I need new glasses.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Perhaps all CF officials should be GPS lojacked by force of law. We need to protect them from associating with the wrong people.

The public has a right to know where their elected officials are EVERY SINGLE SECOND OF EVERY DAY!

lets see how they like it.


19 posted on 04/26/2005 8:49:28 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: LouAvul
The technology now exists to laser-cut each bullet with a serial number, said Sen. Joseph Dunn, D-Garden Grove

Is this guy really this stupid?

20 posted on 04/26/2005 8:50:08 PM PDT by Ramius
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