Posted on 04/27/2005 8:13:39 AM PDT by Fido969
"If there was an arrest, he's probably pretty (angry)," said Heidi Leinonen of Caring Unlimited, a Sanford-based domestic-violence prevention agency.
(Excerpt) Read more at pressherald.mainetoday.com ...
Ironic when a year ago a woman begged to get out on bail for assualting her husband then killed him by stabbing him in the heart with a kitchen knife. Although it was a slam-dunk case on a person with a long history of violence, she was found "not guilty" on all counts. Including biting the arresting officer when she was taken in.
But the very vocal domestic violnce crowd was silent about that case. I guess they just don't see it as a problem if a violent woman murderes a man.
From: Tom Chandel
To: eaull@pressherald.com
""If there was an arrest, he's probably pretty (angry)," said Heidi Leinonen of Caring Unlimited, a Sanford-based domestic-violence prevention agency."
Excuse me - *He's* probably angry? It is never a *she*?
Tell that to Mark Dugas who was stabbed in the chest by his wife when she was out on bail for assaulting him.
Funny how the Domestic Violence crowd is silent about that. I guess they think it's a just a fine thing when a woman would kill a man with domestic violence. Heck, it probably makes them happy, a chance for a woman to "become empowered by the overthrow of the patriarchy" or some such.
Anyway, the gender reference in your article, even though it is attributed to someone else, reveals your own (and your editor's) personal bias about domestic violence.
And, by reinforcing the gender stereotype, your article reinforces the distorted view of domestic violence that allowed the Dugas jury to come to such an unjust conclusion.
From: "Aull, Elbert"
To: 'Tom Chandel'
Tom Chandel,
Perhaps the quote is important because it reveals the domestic violence crowd's gender bias when it comes to those cases, rather than mine or that of my editor. I would suggest referencing the quote as evidence of your claim that the domestic violence crowd is silent about acts of hostility towards men in a letter to the editor.
Elbert Aull
You want Domestic Violence? Investigate Lesbians.
From: Tom Chandel
To: "Aull, Elbert"
Aull, Elbert wrote:
Tom Chandel,
Perhaps the quote is important because it reveals the domestic violence crowd's gender bias when it comes to those cases, rather than mine or that of my editor.
I disagree. You choose which quotes to include, and your editor reviews those. Such a slanted quote could have been softened with a paragraph referencing the Dugas case, or better, left out entirely. Merely putting quotation marks around and attributing it to someone else does NOT relieve you of an ethical obligation report the story clearly and truthfully.
I would suggest referencing the quote as evidence of your claim that the domestic violence crowd is silent about acts of hostility towards men in a letter to the editor.
Thank you for your suggestion and I will consider it in the context it is offered.
I would suggest to you that you exercise more care and show at least a small degree of care and sophistication when writing and submitting stories.
Thank you for your attention to this matter,
Tom C.
When when we see some whipped guy. (liberal stay at home daddy's)..(working on that advanced degree ofcourse). We can assume the Hitlery wannabe has he beat into submission. Woman are just as capable of being an abuser as any man.
Uh, no it is not. A long time ago, my father in law worked with a man whose wife beat up on him regularlly. What a one sided issue to only side with women on this. Can't imagine the shame men carry with a woman beating on them. SAD. and yes, they need help too.
Uh, no it is not. A long time ago, my father in law worked with a man whose wife beat up on him regularlly. What a one sided issue to only side with women on this. Can't imagine the shame men carry with a woman beating on them. SAD. and yes, they need help too.
I wrote to the author of the article asking that they remember sometimes men are victims of domestic violence as well. Please do not forget them. as well as children.
Sad, another reason not to be a lesbian besides the thought making me just grossed out.
if you ever speak to a "domestic violence" case worker, mere FEEEEEELINGS can be domestic violence. If a MAN makes a woman feeeeeeeel bad then that is sufficient "domestic violence" to arrest him.
There is NOTHING about verbally abusive women or women who are nags. (if nagging was a crime, liberal women would all be in jail.)
From: "Aull, Elbert"
To: 'Tom Chandel'
So, you are suggesting media outlets cover up instances of apparent, or alleged, gender bias?
From: Tom Chandel
To: "Aull, Elbert"
Aull, Elbert wrote:
So, you are suggesting media outlets cover up instances of apparent, or alleged, gender bias?
Oh, absolutely.
I pretty much thought it went without saying, do you think this is something that needs to be argued? I just point out the worst examples.
Tom C.
From: Tom Chandel
To: "Aull, Elbert"
Mr. Aull - I looked at the original quote I objected to - why are there parentheses around the word "angry", but not the pronoun, which could have been shown as "(the abuser)"? The fact is that the quote was edited, so the resulting meaning was absolutely in the control of yourself and the editor - it came out EXACTLY the way you wanted it.
Anyway, I provide some friends and family of Mark Dugas who showed up in Rockland a few weeks ago - funny, although they announced the activity to many media outlets, none chose to cover it.
See: http://public.fotki.com/TomChan/
Gosh, sir - do you think if these were your domestic violence worker friends you would have at least given it a paragraph or two?
Bias in the media? What bias?
Tom C.
I work in a Domestic Violene program, and I can tell you for a fact that the majority of domestic violence cases are still men abusing women. There are cases where women are abusers, children are abusers, parents are abusers, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, even "just friends". I challenge anyone to do a legitimate study and you won't find less than 90% where men are the abusers in reported domestic violence cases.
Men get abused, too. They just don't report it, nor do they typically file charges against women. (Men find it embarrassing to be beat up by a woman). Also, most places the police can't or won't do anything unless there are charges files. About the woman who was let out of jail to only stab and kill her husband, I don't know the case, but I can only imagine there's more to it than what's being posted here.
Oh, by the way, I am one of the few men in any Domestic Violence program, and I am very conservative politically. I'm just irritated that the posts here are slamming this problem of domestic violence as only a "liberal" cause, when I see the tragic truth walk through my door day after day. This problem doesn't discriminate no matter what you believe politically or religiously, and unfortunately crosses all the spectrums.
Or, I suppose you could insinuate to them that there must be "something more to the story."
Just out of curiosity, do you share that skepticism with women who claim to be domestic violence victims that come to your program for help? Or is that suspicion reserved only for men?
I can also cite from my personal experience specific examples where time and time again men have been turned away from domestic violence programs because of their gender.
A "legitimate study" that shows "more than 10%" of domestic violence victims are men? You could start with Gelles and Straus' study which found about a third of domestic violence victims are men (I assume, of course, you are familiar with the Gelles/Straus work). The 1998 National Violence against Women report show men to be about a third of domestic violence victims.
Actually, I have a list somewhere of over a hundred "legitimate" studies that show men to be between a third and more than a half of domestic violence victims - do you want me to post the list?
Liberals love to talk about "breaking the cycle of violence" in terms of things like foreign policy (where the concept, in reality has very little applicability) and yet do not want to go there when it comes to the issue of domestic violence (where it matters a lot!).
RE: reported domestic violence cases
And here is a factor biasing your data. How many men will report a case vs women reporting cases?
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