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To: Liberal Classic
Scientists freely admit that no one knows exactly how life began and that it is highly unlikely physical evidence will ever be found.

Are these the same scientists who argue against allowing criticism of evolutionary theory in government schools?

That statement is incorrect. As I said, this comes up in nearly every thread. Please remember that evolutionary theory is only an attempt to explain the diversity of life, but not the origin of life.

That's news to me. We learned about Miller's experiments and panspermia in gov't school biology in the late '70s. It was included in the unit on evolution. Evolutionary theory is also commonly understood as including explanations for the origin of life. And rightly so, since neither evolutionary theory nor origin of life theory will admit of the possibility of supernatural causality. They're logically related.

76 posted on 05/03/2005 8:21:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
Evolutionary theory is also commonly understood as including explanations for the origin of life.

I'm sorry, but you're incorrect. The modern synthesis theory (comprised of Darwin's theory of natural selection, Mendel's theory of inheritance, and advances in molecular biology since the description of the DNA molecule by Watson, Crick, and others) does not address origins. Evolution is defined as the change in the frequency of patterns of genes that occur over time in populations of organisms. It does not, it cannot encompass how life began. This may be the common understanding, but as with the common usage of the word theory, it is not technically correct.

...neither evolutionary theory nor origin of life theory will admit of the possibility of supernatural causality.

This is because the supernatural falls outside the realm of scientific investigation. Science is unequipped to address metaphysical questions. It is not a matter of admission. The purpose of science is only to describe the physical world in concrete terms, and to do so in such a way as to produce predicable results.

80 posted on 05/03/2005 8:34:32 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: Aquinasfan
Evolutionary theory is also commonly understood as including explanations for the origin of life. And rightly so, since neither evolutionary theory nor origin of life theory will admit of the possibility of supernatural causality.

By this "reasoning", gravity should also be lumped in with the origin of life and evolution, because it too will not admit to the possibility of supernatural causality. Oh, and atomic theory. And electromagnetic theory. And let's not forget germ theory.

Are you really going to believe that we're not going to call you out on singling out evolution and abiogenesis for critical analysis because they don't allow for the supernatural when anyone here who has had any level of a decent education already knows that nothing in science can consider the supernatural?
129 posted on 05/03/2005 10:32:44 AM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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