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To: Dead Corpse

First thing I can see is a nose-diving economy as people reign in spending as they adjust themselves to the new system.

The damage from that alone is enough to scare me off this until we already have a bad economy.

Don't mess with consumer spending. It's what keeps this whole ship afloat, and when it goes the show is over. Thats will be a good time to make changes.


59 posted on 05/03/2005 8:17:23 AM PDT by dg62
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To: dg62
This gives the "consumer" more money in their pockets up front. Most people go and blow their tax "refunds" instead of investing them. This would be no different.

Couple the benefits of a consumption tax, the inherent "fair"-ness in it, and the fact that foriegn companies would set up tax havens here and contribute to our tax base... How is this NOT a win-win situation? Other than the IRS would be decimated and a lot of "tax lawyers" would need some retraining?

60 posted on 05/03/2005 8:27:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: dg62; Dead Corpse

First thing I can see is a nose-diving economy as people reign in spending as they adjust themselves to the new system.

Domestic consumption is expected to initially drop 5% while personal investment and savings increase at least that amount. At the same time, our export business is expected to grow by as much as 30% by virtue of removing the tax burdens from our manufacturing and export businesses making our products much more competitive on foreign markets. That assures continued short growth of our economy as well as strengths the American dollar in foreign markets while attracting manufaturing back to our shores and a tax friendly, indeed tax haven for manufacturing creating jobs and demand for labor (higher real wages) as our economy expands long term.

 

Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee,
Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX)
August 12, 1996

Today, one of our greatest economic problems is the lack of personal savings. A pure consumption economy with nil personal savings and investment is what keeps the Social Security system inplace and assuring the growing dependancy of the people on government.

The lack of savings and investment on the part of the American consumer is holding back the full potential of our manufacturing base. Savings and capital investment assure techonlogical impovements and upgrades of out business infrastructure as well as creating new industry which fuels labor demand and higher wages.

 

Virtually all economic models project a much healthier economy if a federal sales tax replaces the current tax system. These models typically project that the economy will be 10 to 14 percent larger in 10 years.[2] A dynamic, growing economy will provide more and better paying jobs. Employers will need more and better-trained workers.

Wages

FIGURE 1: This figure shows the positive correlation between real wage rates and capital investment per hours worked, from 1947 to 1992. During this time period, the amount of capital per hour worked increased steadily and
these increases led to increases in real wage rates over the same time period.

 

The ever growing decline in personal saving and investment with growing dependancy of the majority of American families on govenment and its social systems has come with a very high cost in terms lack of capital investment into our business infra-structure:


75 posted on 05/03/2005 8:57:05 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: dg62

Well IMO you could be right, but just as easily you could be wrong.

Look nobody likes the IRS or any other tax body for that matter and I'm all for a better tax system, but to me the flat tax with a simplified tax code is far less risky.


76 posted on 05/03/2005 8:58:01 AM PDT by dg62
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To: dg62

"Don't mess with consumer spending. It's what keeps this whole ship afloat, and when it goes the show is over. Thats will be a good time to make changes."

Sounds like you disagree with the economists who say that our historically low savings rate is a real problem that, if not addressed, is going to cause more economic problems in the future. After all, there is simply no way to increase savings without decreasing consumption.

As far as your point about timing, you may be right. It may take a huge economic meltdown for Americans to wake up to the problems caused by our tax system. After all it took 9/11 for us to get serious about the threat from international Islamic terrorist extremists. Also, it took the bursting of the tech bubble for the "new economy" stock market players of the 90s to recognize what their more experienced peers had been trying to tell them.

According to CCH, the tax system currently exceeds 60,000 pages. Some simple math would project it to more than 100,000 by 2010, given the rate at which its growth is accelerating. The collapse of this monstrosity may not be as far off as most Americans would imagine.


112 posted on 05/03/2005 10:00:37 AM PDT by phil_will1
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