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To: Non-Sequitur
Confederate secession was legal. Legal Secession Conventions were conducted in accordance with the Constitution. Unlike the War of Independence: CSA Secession was legal. Read the following informative excerpts for enlightenment & consideration.

The CSA did in fact legally secede from the Union. The problem was that the North refused to recognize it due to the fact that they were going to lose all that revenue from those high tariffs they had been collecting.

14 posted on 05/05/2005 10:54:28 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Non-Sequitur
The point I was making was that the North viewed the "shot" as a "legitimate act" of war. I noted that this is questionable to say the least. Since as you pointed out: no one had declared war at that point. The other point I was making was that this first "shot" did not justify the deaths of 600 000 people / the destruction of Dixie homes nor the subjugation of the Southron people & the reversal of their independence. The North committed war crimes against the Southrons & violated the Constitution. When the North declared independence from Britain (with significant help form the South) it was celebrated as freedom. When the CSA did essentially the SAME THING -as a continuation of the secessionist revolution started in 1776- the North all of a sudden hypocritically derides it as it would have come at the cost of receiving those high tariffs.
16 posted on 05/05/2005 11:08:46 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Non-Sequitur
The point I was making was that the North viewed the "shot" as a "legitimate act" of war. I noted that this is questionable to say the least. Since as you pointed out: no one had declared war at that point. The other point I was making was that this first "shot" did not justify the deaths of 600 000 people / the destruction of Dixie homes nor the subjugation of the Southron people & the reversal of their independence. The North committed war crimes against the Southrons & violated the Constitution. When the North declared independence from Britain (with significant help form the South) it was celebrated as freedom. When the CSA did essentially the SAME THING -as a continuation of the secessionist revolution started in 1776- the North all of a sudden hypocritically derides it as it would have come at the cost of receiving those high tariffs.
17 posted on 05/05/2005 11:09:06 AM PDT by Republic_of_Secession.
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
Confederate secession was legal.

Not it was not. The Supreme Court ruled so in 1869.

Legal Secession Conventions were conducted in accordance with the Constitution.

The Constitution is silent on the method of secession, so stating that secession conventions were conducted in accordance with the Constitution would be incorrect.

Several of these States have combined to form a new Confederacy, claiming to be acknowledged by the world as a Sovereign State … Their right to do so is now being decided by wager of Battle."

Please continue with the quote. The Court went on to say:

"The ports and territory of each of these States are held in hostility to the General Government. It is no loose, unorganized insurrection, having no defined boundary or possession. It has a boundary marked by lines of bayonets, and which can be crossed only by force—south of this line is enemies’ territory, because it is claimed and held in possession by an organized, hostile and belligerent power.

All persons residing within this territory whose property may be used to increase the revenues ofthe hostile power are, in this contest, liable to be treated as enemies, though not foreigners. They have cast off their allegiance and made war on their Government, and are nonetheless enemies because they are traitors."

The Court is recognizing the southern acts for what they were, a rebellion of the states against their government.

The CSA did in fact legally secede from the Union. The problem was that the North refused to recognize it due to the fact that they were going to lose all that revenue from those high tariffs they had been collecting.

Losing the small percentage of the tariff generated by the southern states would have hurt, but not significantly. That was hardly a reason for war.

18 posted on 05/05/2005 11:12:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Republic_of_Secession.
Unlike the British Empire in 1776, the right of secession was recognized as a constitutional right in the United States after 1789.

The Father of the Constitution, James Madison of Virginia, said that both you and Joseph E. Fallon are both dead wrong.

83 posted on 05/09/2005 2:23:08 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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