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Bolled over by alums, Texas Tech backs off on new seal (would've removed cotton bolls)
Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 5/6/05 | Elliot Blackburn

Posted on 05/06/2005 4:23:14 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

Bolled over by alums, Tech backs off on new seal BY ELLIOTT BLACKBURN AVALANCHE-JOURNAL

The Texas Tech University System will return cotton's likeness to new designs of the school seal, an administrator said Thursday.

Associate Vice Chancellor Lynn Denton, the system's head of marketing, said the school will develop new designs of the school seal that include symbols representing cotton.

"We've decided that we are going to put cotton plants back into the seal," Denton said.

Alumni became alarmed earlier this week after speculation circulated the Internet that the school was downplaying the Double T logo and removing cotton from the seal.

Officials assured the Tech community that the Double T logo was in no danger of retirement but confirmed at a Wednesday news conference that there were plans to remove 10 cotton bolls crossing the school shield.

Updated and uniform school seals and shields would replace a confusing number of individual college and program logos.

The new designs were created as part of a broader marketing effort, developed over the last year and a half by firms in Lubbock, Austin and Chicago, to improve the school's national image.

The change angered many cotton farmers who graduated from Tech, including Plains Cotton Cooperative Association head Eddie Smith.

Smith was cautious about the announcement Thursday, but said it was encouraging.

"I think that's an excellent first step and then we'll just see how it develops from there," Smith said. "I think it just shows that Tech officials are, as they should be, sensitive to the alumni and the surrounding community."

Denton reported the decision after a two-hour presentation given to Steve Verett, Plains Cotton Growers Inc. executive vice president, and the John Johnson, spokesman for the Plains Cotton Cooperative Association.

Verett, a Tech alumnus, said he told administrators that the best solution would be to make minor improvements to the existing seal.

He supported the university's efforts to better market the school, and was pleased with a productive meeting, he said.

"We appreciate them being able to look at a compromise," Verett said. "It's my preference that the shield stay as it is today and still be used in their effort to move forward ."

Johnson also supported the university's re-branding efforts, but believed the best choice would be to return to the original seal.

"I advised the best way to stop the controversy is not to change the seal at all," Johnson said. "I work for 29,000 stockholders in a farmer-owned co-op, and they have not authorized me to negotiate."

The school seal was designed in 1927 and formally adopted in 1953. Ten cotton bolls representing the 10 cotton producing counties around Lubbock cross the shield.

Changes to the school shield were not part of the compromise. The new cotton image would be incorporated into the larger seal, Denton said.

The newest designs should be prepared in time for next week's Board of Regents meeting, Denton said.

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elliott.blackburn@lubbockonline.com 766-8722

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cotton; davidsmith; purge; texastech; ttu
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Still unclear if the ORIGINAL seal is back or if they are putting cotton back in a prominent position or not. Good work, Raider-FReepers.
1 posted on 05/06/2005 4:23:15 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana
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To: Professional Engineer; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; SF Republican; Baynative; TexasNative2000; ...

Guns Up ping! Good work!


2 posted on 05/06/2005 4:25:10 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez was't cool.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

They were inundated with emails from alumni and their parents yesterday. The salient question being whether Chancellor Smith has so little to do that he can be messing with the university's seal in all his spare time. I'm glad to see that he's lost another round to the Techsans. He'll just have to live with the fact that when most people hear "Texas Tech" they think of Bobby Knight, not Chancellor Smith.


3 posted on 05/06/2005 4:33:00 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: hispanarepublicana

... in them ole cotton fields back home....


PC gets plowed under......maybe [depending on the 'new' designs]


4 posted on 05/06/2005 4:59:15 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: MeekOneGOP

Ping


5 posted on 05/06/2005 5:13:08 AM PDT by Donaeus (Government is not the guarantor of our freedom it is the forger of our chains.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Guns up and hats off to YOU, hispanarepublicana, for giving us the heads up on this! Nice job, FReeperTechsans!


6 posted on 05/06/2005 5:17:43 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: hispanarepublicana

"And the victory bells will ring out".


7 posted on 05/06/2005 5:28:29 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Alumni became alarmed earlier this week after speculation circulated the Internet that the school was downplaying the Double T logo and removing cotton from the seal.

It wasn't "Internet speculation" -- Tech annouced that was its intention, as part of its new marketing campaign.

Sheesh.

8 posted on 05/06/2005 5:30:36 AM PDT by JennysCool (Support bacteria - they're the only culture some people have.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
Enjoy some music to celebrate.
9 posted on 05/06/2005 5:34:41 AM PDT by TexasNative2000 (When it's all said and done, someone starts another conversation.......)
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To: hispanarepublicana
"We've decided that we are going to put cotton plants back into the seal," Denton said.

ACK!

Translation -- "I've decided to leave the seal alone because too many alumni have threatened to come down here and kick my arse if I don't quit screwing with it!"

LOL!

Educrats....gotta love 'em!

10 posted on 05/06/2005 5:34:47 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I would rather stand with the few who are right than the many who are wrong!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

It's gonna take more than that to help TT. Ever been to Lubbock? What a dump, even worse than Waco, and that's saying something....


11 posted on 05/06/2005 6:03:38 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: astounded

stay the hell out then. we don't want riffraff like you here to enjoy our 80-degree, low-humidity, easy-flowing-traffic (got to work in 15 minutes this morning), gorgeous sunset days like we'll have today


12 posted on 05/06/2005 6:14:24 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez was't cool.)
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To: astounded

TT does have an impressive sounding marching band, though. I clicked on the link in post 9 - they sound really good!


13 posted on 05/06/2005 6:18:17 AM PDT by rwa265
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To: hispanarepublicana

Good deal!


14 posted on 05/06/2005 6:20:44 AM PDT by Professional Engineer ("Republican politican" ~ old North American term meaning eunuck.)
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To: hispanarepublicana; Donaeus; Squantos; Clinger; GeronL; Billie; Slyfox; San Jacinto; SpookBrat; ...
Bolled over by alums, Texas Tech
backs off on new seal
(would've removed cotton bolls)

Excerpt:

The Texas Tech University System will return cotton's likeness to new designs of the school seal, an administrator said Thursday.

Associate Vice Chancellor Lynn Denton, the system's head of marketing, said the school will develop new designs of the school seal that include symbols representing cotton.

"We've decided that we are going to put cotton plants back into the seal," Denton said.

Alumni became alarmed earlier this week after speculation circulated the Internet that the school was downplaying the Double T logo and removing cotton from the seal.


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15 posted on 05/06/2005 6:29:19 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I think they are going to design a new seal, but this one will have cotton depicted on it -- JUST NOT IN THE SHAPE OF A CROSS. They will have won. They will have managed to stealthily remove the cross from the seal and at the same time make the other side THINK they "won" but really they didn't even see the true purpose of the maneuver.


16 posted on 05/06/2005 6:30:18 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Professional Engineer
I'd say this deserves a ringing of the bells and a gallop around Jones Stadium, wouldn't you say?


17 posted on 05/06/2005 6:31:09 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (I was Lucy Ramirez when being Lucy Ramirez was't cool.)
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To: Donaeus
Thanks. :)

Glad to see they reversed course.

Way to go, Alum and Freepers. :)


18 posted on 05/06/2005 6:31:32 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Freepers and many other foreums.. Dr. David Smith said we all had too much time on our hands. We have time to do the right thing.

DUMP SMITH... PICK COTTON.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 6:33:30 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: TexasNative2000

"And the victory bells will ring out".

fight raiderss fight!!!!


20 posted on 05/06/2005 6:35:04 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: astounded

21 posted on 05/06/2005 6:36:22 AM PDT by Flyer (If I were 8 pixels tall I could fit in my tag line)
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To: astounded

We that live here love it. So don't knock us until your amung us.... Lubbock is not the prettiest place but we have the best people you will ever find.. and we stay here for that and many other reasons... no humidity, no floods, not much snow at all, and a great place to raise your children, not to mention Texas Tech sports and the best college arena in the country. Only one sand storm this year and it was not bad.... so I will take it any day.


22 posted on 05/06/2005 6:38:12 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I told you all, FOLK WEREN'T GONNA LIKE IT! Lubbock is very conservative and don't take kindly to sewer RATS coming in and changing things! Maybe the Univ. Dean will make a big goof up and get his butt kicked out of TT!! They had better keep the seal the way it was, or they won't hear the last of it!!


23 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:01 AM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: hispanarepublicana

H.L. Mencken was right years ago when he said that in the modern university "conscience" is defined as "that which may jeopardize your funding"!


24 posted on 05/06/2005 6:52:46 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Cowardice is forever!)
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To: JFC
Dr. David Smith said we all had too much time on our hands.

And this coming from people who have time to sit around and design new seals for the University? Or to come up with a tactical maneuver to eliminate the cross from the seal all the while making the alum feel good about it -- even cheering it?

26 posted on 05/06/2005 6:56:36 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: hispanarepublicana; Army Air Corps

They still won - the cross will be removed, as will the Lubbock on the bottom of the Seal......... but glad to hear the cotton will still get the honor it deserves


28 posted on 05/06/2005 7:01:33 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: FreedomCalls

I was thinking the same thing. Sneaky bunch.


29 posted on 05/06/2005 7:02:02 AM PDT by auboy
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA

It isn't over yet. Smith can make his plans, but let's wait until more of the alumni get involved. Now, he has to tackle the community, students (past and present), as well as people who are higher on the political food chain. Also, why is he taking advice from TU students? Why aren't any TTU grads involved in his cabal of "marketing advisors." It appears that, according to what folks here are saying, that the pressure is only going to mount on this twit. I hope that his money scandals are exposed.


30 posted on 05/06/2005 7:05:46 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: hispanarepublicana

Wow! You live here as well?


31 posted on 05/06/2005 7:10:33 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps

OK, y'all, I surrender. My post denigrating Lubbock was uncalled for and I apologize. I guess I didn't spend enough time there to get to know the folks, but I did go into a really amazing old-time barbershop near the TT campus, where my son got a great $8 haircut by an old guy with a burr cut who was wearing a huge beltbuckle and cowboy boots...


32 posted on 05/06/2005 7:13:04 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: FreedomCalls

Dr. David Smith and his liberal wife are jerks.. he should be removed from our University asap imho.


33 posted on 05/06/2005 7:16:31 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: astounded

Don't worry. I thought the same thing when I first came here from the Hill Country. After a while, the low crime rate, friendly folks, strong conservatism, and church-oriented nature of the community grows on you.


34 posted on 05/06/2005 7:20:40 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: astounded

I did go into a really amazing old-time barbershop near the TT campus, where my son got a great $8 haircut by an old guy with a burr cut who was wearing a huge beltbuckle and cowboy boots...


And you point is.....

Would you have preffered a spiked blue hair tattoed freak doing your son's hair for 25.00??? I just find your comments hateful and disrespectful. I love all of Texas even liber Austin is fun to go to now and then. The libs that think they are taking over Austin are a drop in the bucket to the great hard working people who are like us.. Conservative. After All George W resided there before coming to Washington. We TEXANS will welcome him home with open arms.


35 posted on 05/06/2005 7:21:18 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I've been awat 12 years, but still have a 3rd Down Clicker. It even has a Methodist Hospital logo on it.


36 posted on 05/06/2005 7:22:32 AM PDT by Professional Engineer ("Republican politican" ~ old North American term meaning eunuck.)
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To: astounded

I lived there for 4 years - and while it probably isn't the prettiest place on earth, I always say, "God put beauty everywhere, you just have to look a little harder to see it in West Texas"


37 posted on 05/06/2005 7:23:09 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: astounded; hispanarepublicana; Flyer; JFC

Doesn't sound like the Lubbock I know. I guess everything there improved the day you left.


38 posted on 05/06/2005 7:23:36 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: Army Air Corps

Good point - we'll see if they truly listen to anyone outside of their offices


39 posted on 05/06/2005 7:24:04 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: JFC

JFC:

My point wasn't hateful and disrespectful. I was amazed and gratified to find this culture alive and well. I love Texas, even though I'm not from there, and I much prefer the fellow I saw in the Lubbock barbershop to the blue-haired tattooed freaks we see in the Blue States. Sorry if I offended you, that was not my intent.


40 posted on 05/06/2005 7:29:39 AM PDT by astounded (We don't need no stinkin' rules of engagement...)
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To: Army Air Corps

I'm told Tech paid the t-sipper's marketing firm $450,000 for this (so far). Incredible waste. They should make Smith use nothing but red ink.


41 posted on 05/06/2005 7:34:33 AM PDT by WestTexasWend
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To: WestTexasWend

Geez! They pay a bunch of TU folks $450,000 to screw-around with the university seal and yet the administration claims that it cannot find money in the budget for history TAs to have telephones in their offices or provide decent scholarships for grad students. Just when I thought that I could not be more peeved...


42 posted on 05/06/2005 7:37:56 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: astounded

I accept your words. We get a little testy, because we hear it all the time from outsiders.

Thank you... God Bless.


43 posted on 05/06/2005 7:46:09 AM PDT by JFC ( President Bush, You are being prayed for along with our country daily, by millions of us.)
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To: Army Air Corps

Not to mention what they paid for the firm in Chicago to do a feasibility study........


44 posted on 05/06/2005 7:48:30 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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To: hispanarepublicana
The new designs were created as part of a broader marketing effort, developed over the last year and a half by firms in Lubbock, Austin and Chicago, to improve the school's national image.

Talk about wasted money. The only thing that could improve Tech's image would be moving out of Lubbock.
45 posted on 05/06/2005 7:49:53 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It's a Zen thing, you know, like how many babies fit in a tire.)
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To: auboy

And now anyone who complains about the removal of the cross can be dismissed as a right-wing looney since the "story" is over as far as the press is concerned; after all, it was all about cotton wasn't it? The cross didn't have anything to do with it, right? Suckers.


46 posted on 05/06/2005 7:53:12 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: WhyisaTexasgirlinPA
Dang, that's right! That probably cost at least another $250,000. I really with that Montford had stayed-on as Chancellor. He focused on real ways to improve the university's image by improving infrastructure, programmes, departments, etc. Smith has his head so far up his arse that he thinks students will make their decisions based solely on the design of the seal. What a poltroon, wiffenpoof, and feckless crapweasel.
47 posted on 05/06/2005 7:53:28 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Xenalyte

Xena, please don't start that crap -


48 posted on 05/06/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Prayers for healing and relief from pain for Cowboy...........)
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Talk about wasted money. The only thing that could improve Tech's image would be moving out of Lubbock.

So perhaps Tech should change its symbol to a rearview mirror?

49 posted on 05/06/2005 8:14:22 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: FreedomCalls
developed over the last year and a half by firms in Lubbock, Austin and Chicago

They should drop Austin and Chicago.

I'm certain there is at least one talented designer in Lubbock. IHO, this "project" has already cost TT much more than it warrants. I'm a graphics designer, and the price tag so far is outrageous.

50 posted on 05/06/2005 8:14:24 AM PDT by auboy
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