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Suspicious Package Shuts Down Manhattan Bridge
ABC News ^ | May 6, 2005 | ABC News

Posted on 05/06/2005 7:27:17 AM PDT by FairOpinion

The Manhattan Bridge was shut down in both directions this morning as authorities investigated a suspicious package on the bridge's subway tracks.

According to police, the bridge was closed at around nine o'clock this morning.

The package, described as a knapsack, was left on the subway tracks.

Traffic was stopped in both directions, as was train service across the bridge.

(Excerpt) Read more at abclocal.go.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Front Page News; US: New York
KEYWORDS: bridge; manhattan; manhattanbridge; nyc
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This was breaking news on CNBC a while ago. I didn't rush to post it, because I figured, surely someone will do it, but since still nobody has, here it is.

I haven't seen any updates, but they must think it could be serious, or the police would have just walked over and picked up the knapsack and kept the bridge open.

Remember, just the other day, they got the guy, who was on the terrorist list, and he was a painter at one of the other NY bridges.

I hope it will all turn out to be nothing, but they don't shut down the bridge for nothing.

UPDATE from CNBC just now: Upper deck is partially reopened. NYPD on the scene

1 posted on 05/06/2005 7:27:20 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Oh you've got to be kidding me..................


2 posted on 05/06/2005 7:31:39 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: FairOpinion
And this too.............[NY] City Bridge-Photo Terror Suspect Nabbed (Not the painter)
3 posted on 05/06/2005 7:32:47 AM PDT by OXENinFLA ("And that [Atomic] bomb is a filibuster" ~~~ Sen. Lieberman 1-4-95)
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To: FairOpinion

Thanks for the update...you are correct.

Knapsack on train track...purposely put there obviously.

I remember the news report of the recent arrest along with these others:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006028.php Arrest of Mahdi Bray
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/006037.php Muslim U.S.

soldier arrested for deserting...anti-American notes in backpack

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=15749&only=yes Arrest of Nehrn Ali Rahal - Dearborn, Michigan ties to Hezbollah...

And so many, many more....


4 posted on 05/06/2005 7:35:32 AM PDT by milford421
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To: FairOpinion

Fingers crossed that this is just a precaution.


5 posted on 05/06/2005 7:35:36 AM PDT by msp2004
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To: FairOpinion

A truckload of explosives would about just scratch the paint on a major bridge...


6 posted on 05/06/2005 7:37:34 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: FairOpinion

yeah ,...it'll turn out to be fine , a fine test , a dry run or perhaps nothing; there's an ebb and flow to the tension crackling in mass transit , the last few weeks are OK , maybe its the cool temps


7 posted on 05/06/2005 7:37:44 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: neverdem

ping


8 posted on 05/06/2005 7:38:21 AM PDT by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: Dad yer funny

Dry runs and the enemy "playing with us"....


9 posted on 05/06/2005 7:39:04 AM PDT by milford421
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To: FairOpinion

The train bombings in Spain...wasn't that a knapsack scenario?


10 posted on 05/06/2005 7:47:51 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: milford421

Another interesting article:

Al Qaeda’s New York
The terrorists are still obsessed with the city—which is why the NYPD is trying to learn to think like terrorists.


http://www.newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/features/11896/index.html


“We know we’re at the top of the Al Qaeda hit list,” says Police Commissioner Ray Kelly in his trademark thirties-inflected copspeak. “The bombings in 1993 and 2001 and the landmarks plot showed that they came back here and would want to come back here.”

Understanding the where is paramount. Al Qaeda is sentimental, which is to say its planners and strategists follow their hearts. It keeps them consistent. This is what Kelly means when he notes that for the past fifteen years, they have been announcing that they will attack—and then attacking—New York.


The density and wattage of the human-target grid here—Shea on a summer night, JFK at Thanksgiving, Macy’s on a Saturday, Times Square just about any time—make the city itself a meta-target and raise the value of each individual target in it. According to Osama’s medieval worldview, more dead Crusaders and Jews means more dead Crusaders and Jews, so that any place attacked in New York has intrinsic value, but it doesn’t get at the likelihood of what might be next.


“What turns a thing into a target?” says Brian Michael Jenkins, Rand Corporation terror expert. “First, high symbolic value. Then, what do they want to accomplish with their home audience? Operations are as much for display—to attract recruits, financial support, and to establish credentials—as they are intended to hurt us. They’re corporate communications.”


11 posted on 05/06/2005 7:54:27 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: Sacajaweau

yeah , but not out in the open ,...we eyeball each other on the subway cars , I try to be near the door leading from car to car , some are locked now , they never were on the old trains


12 posted on 05/06/2005 7:56:59 AM PDT by Dad yer funny
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To: 2banana
A truckload of explosives would about just scratch the paint on a major bridge

True, but unfortunately a bagful of explosives on the tracks would wreak major havoc on a passing train.

13 posted on 05/06/2005 8:09:07 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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Ping


14 posted on 05/06/2005 8:27:39 AM PDT by nw_arizona_granny (Airspeed, altitude, or brains. Two are required to successfully complete a flight.)
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ping


15 posted on 05/06/2005 8:43:49 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: 2banana
A truckload of explosives would about just scratch the paint on a major bridge...

Depends. If just sitting on the bridge, that's true. But if it was C-4 or Semtex and was properly applied to the bridge supports, even a large backpack/napsack full could bring down a bridge.

Then of course their is the possibility that the package was not (mostly) explosive, but something like Sarin or worse some biological agent. Although in that case an open brige might not be the optimal location.

Probably just some kid's school books.

16 posted on 05/06/2005 8:59:32 AM PDT by El Gato (Activist Judges can twist the Constitution into anything they want ... or so they think.)
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To: 2banana
A truckload of explosives would about just scratch the paint on a major bridge...

The Manhattan Bridge has subway rail service on it in addition to car and truck traffic.

17 posted on 05/06/2005 9:03:02 AM PDT by Cagey
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To: 2banana
Not entirely certain about that. Granted they are open and allow the explosive force to disburse in many directions - I suspect they could drop a deck section from one level to another (on a double decker) - or damage suspension cables. Just as our current airports were not designed to accommodate post 9/11 security (screening, baggage inspection, etc.) - bridges were designed with the naive assumption that they were there to support traffic. I suspect that unlike the WTC (and the evaluation of what a 707 accidentally flown into the building would do) most bridges were designed with no consideration of any deliberate attempt to take them down.

Check out Engineers of Dreams: Great Bridge Builders and the Spanning of America by Henry Petroski. Great book.

18 posted on 05/06/2005 9:07:46 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: FairOpinion

UPDATE:

Bridge Reopens.

Manhattan Bridge reopens after NY security alert

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=domesticNews&storyID=8412146

NEW YORK (Reuters) - New York police briefly closed the Manhattan Bridge on Friday while they investigated a suspicious package but the bridge was later reopened to traffic, a police spokeswoman said.
Speaking during a regular weekly radio address on WABC, Mayor Michael Bloomberg said he was told the bag that sparked the alert contained clothes.

Subway trains and road traffic normally use the bridge between Manhattan and Brooklyn, and both were delayed as a result of the closing.

The alert came the day after two makeshift grenades exploded outside a midtown building housing the British consulate and other foreign offices, renewing fears about security in the city in the aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.


19 posted on 05/06/2005 9:10:15 AM PDT by QQQQQ
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My personal experience, to cut metal you need a high burn rate explosive (like C4) in tight contact with metal and attached to the metal for the entire area you want to cut. To destroy a bridge of this size, that would be literally hundreds of points.

A truckload of TNT (like used in the first Twin Towers attack) might bend a few trusses - maybe. Traffic would be able to use the bridge minutes after the explosion
20 posted on 05/06/2005 9:20:37 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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