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Zogby: Americans fed up on illegal aliens. Majority against Bush plan, 81% want cops to help feds
World Net Daily ^ | May 6, 2005

Posted on 05/06/2005 5:08:06 PM PDT by John Jorsett

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1 posted on 05/06/2005 5:08:07 PM PDT by John Jorsett
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To: John Jorsett

Well DUH!


2 posted on 05/06/2005 5:10:46 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (You must respect my a-tor-it-tah!)
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To: John Jorsett
"In fact, when you combine those two terms, 'illegal and immigration,' it really conjures up a considerable amount of negatives. And, in fact, we find that it's really across the board."

That's why they're called "undocumented workers" now, kind of like someone who forgot his ID card at work and has to get a temporary one from security.

3 posted on 05/06/2005 5:12:06 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Relying on government for your retirement is like playing Russian roulette with an semi auto pistol.)
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To: John Jorsett

Democrats want cheap votes and Republicans want cheap subsidized workers for the subsidized farms in the red states. That's why this problem isn't being addressed by either party.

Whichever party in 2008 comes out against illegal immigration will win.


4 posted on 05/06/2005 5:13:17 PM PDT by foobeca
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To: John Jorsett

First, this is Zogby, which means you couldn't normally trust it.
But, in this case, he played it safe and polled a question he already knew that enormous results of.

Hope nobody paid him for this.

Next poll:
Do you require air to breath?


5 posted on 05/06/2005 5:13:52 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: John Jorsett
Let me know when a difficult question comes along.
6 posted on 05/06/2005 5:14:57 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: John Jorsett

The fascinating thing about this poll is that although the GOP base has made the most noise about this issue, it is the Democratic blue collar base (or what is left of it) that is seen as the pollster as the most negative because they know that economic competition with third world labor is reducing their standard of living.

Illegals are taking the kinds of jobs inner city blacks used to get and they know it.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 5:15:10 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: John Jorsett
As we juxtapose zogby's poll with the FOX/Opinion Dynamics one.

Opinion is divided on eliminating public assistance, such as education and health benefits, to illegal immigrants and their children. Forty-three percent of Americans favor stopping public assistance for illegal immigrants, while 45 percent oppose it.

Even so, a 62 percent majority, including almost equal majorities of Democrats (65 percent) and Republicans (62 percent), favors allowing illegal immigrants who have jobs in the United States to apply for legal, temporary worker status

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Oh yes it was zogby who came out with the 5:00 PM election day poll saying kerry was going to win big.

Real good track record there.

8 posted on 05/06/2005 5:16:32 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Sam the Sham
...the Democratic blue collar base (or what is left of it) that is seen as the pollster as the most negative because they know that economic competition with third world labor is reducing their standard of living.

True. Look at the construction trades--they're being flooded with illegals that'll work for peanuts, forcing the tradesmen to either compete or get out of the field.

11 posted on 05/06/2005 5:19:26 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: Stingy Dog
Solution: Tom Tancredo for president 2008/2012

More like tom tancredo, backstabber to Tom Delay 2005.

12 posted on 05/06/2005 5:20:47 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Jorsett
According to the report, the greatest opponents of illegal immigration are Democrats

In my opinion, the Democrat politicians want as many illegals as they can get into the country for future votes, but the Democrat base is angry because the illegals cut in on the money they could scam for themselves from the taxpayers. Without illegals, they could pocket twice as much.

14 posted on 05/06/2005 5:21:15 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: Sam the Sham

See reply #8.


15 posted on 05/06/2005 5:21:24 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Jorsett

Why should we believe this pollster?


16 posted on 05/06/2005 5:22:00 PM PDT by dts32041 (Two words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence Grizzly bear and violate.)
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To: John Jorsett

good gravy!

americans have been fed illegals?

burp.


18 posted on 05/06/2005 5:22:45 PM PDT by ken21 (if you didn't see it on tv, then it didn't happen. /s)
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To: Stingy Dog
This is a poll on criminal illegal aliens, not about Kerry.

A zogby poll, is a zogby poll, is a zogby poll.

A pollsters reputation precedes him.

My reply #8 has the results from a Fox/Opinion dynamics poll. I'll let people on FR make up there own mind, they can lap up zogby's special sauce or go with a more reputable pollster.

20 posted on 05/06/2005 5:26:26 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Jorsett

As far as illegals go - round 'em up and head 'em out.


21 posted on 05/06/2005 5:26:51 PM PDT by Pittsburg Phil
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To: Stingy Dog
"Stiff fines and prison time for the parasitic, treasonous employers will go a long way in solving this seminal issue."

10% of the previous year's gross would be a good start. Let's see how many times a small company doing $300,000 a year in business wants to pay a $30,000 fine.
22 posted on 05/06/2005 5:28:03 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: NJ_gent
It will be a matter of moments before a freeper open border fan comes along and declares that building a wall would be impossible!

This ignores the fact that the same country built an 1,800 mile railroad through mountains, over some of toughest terrain in the country, and in some of the harshest weather - with little more than picks, shovels, and blasting powder.

Yeah, nowadays with prefabricated construction and colossal earth moving machinery, building a wall would be impossible.
23 posted on 05/06/2005 5:29:36 PM PDT by flashbunny
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To: John Jorsett

I think that Republican leadership has been duped by the MSM into believing that "tolerance" of illegals is the majority view. In Massachusetts there are at least 2 sob stories a month in the local media about an illegal who is being "persecuted."


24 posted on 05/06/2005 5:31:07 PM PDT by Scarchin (Lone conservative teacher)
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To: John Jorsett

A new opinion poll by Zogby International indicates Americans are hardly pleased with the Bush administration on the subject of illegal immigration.

The poll, cited on CNN's "Lou Dobbs Tonight" program yesterday, noted a huge majority – 81 percent – believes local and state police should help federal authorities enforce laws against illegal immigration. Only 14 percent disagreed
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For those of us who have been beating the keys, posting articles and our expressions of disgust with the inaction of our President and the Congress for over a year, we wonder where has everyone been??

This is another example of the controlled MSM, ignoring the American people and supporting the Socialist Agenda of the Progressive Democrats.


25 posted on 05/06/2005 5:31:23 PM PDT by 26lemoncharlie (Defend the US CONSTITUTION - Locked and Loaded)
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To: flashbunny
"building a wall would be impossible!"

Building the Hoover Dam would be impossible as well if it weren't for the fact that we've already done it. Your example of the railroad is equally convincing that we possess the technical expertise and engineering knowhow to build such a wall. If things continue the way they're going, in another few years, a wall may be the only thing standing (pardon the pun) between illegal aliens and armed and dangerous American citizens so fed up with illegal immigration that they actively open fire on anything that moves like it's coming this way across that border.
27 posted on 05/06/2005 5:33:16 PM PDT by NJ_gent (Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.)
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To: isthisnickcool

Bush and the GOP had better get with this. This is a potential problem for our side. Hillary and Democrats are liable to come out to the right of us. They may not mean it but perception is reality. Big problem on the horizon.


28 posted on 05/06/2005 5:33:18 PM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: foobeca

"Whichever party in 2008 comes out against illegal immigration will win."

Do you really think the issue will get that much attention by then? It would have to be one of the major parties, no third party will prevail on just one issue, it's been tried and has failed.

Who will have credibility? The Dems, no. The Pubbies, no.

They'll have to build this incrementally, this is the next big battle, and it will have to go step by step.

Of course a good first step would be closing/securing the border, and not just the Mexican border, not just the Canadian border, but the borders at the airports.

Visa reform, controlled borders, these are first steps. Throwing out criminal illegals (or increasing the penalties for their crimes to draconian levels) would be step A, even before #1.

I think many Americans MIGHT be willing to CONSIDER some kind of "amnesty" if they KNEW it wouldn't just lead to another flood.

WE've got to stop the current lawless situation. I for one don't trust Hillary! JEB, or even Rudy Giuliani to be any use for any of that.


29 posted on 05/06/2005 5:33:53 PM PDT by jocon307 (Irish grandmother rolls in grave, yet again.)
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To: Dane; randog

Tell me, cheap labor Dane, is there some poll out there that says different ? Is there some poll out there that shows blue collar Americans just thrilled about illegals driving down their wages ? You have some poll about Americans construction workers happy about losing their jobs ?

This poll is the latest in a series saying pretty much the same thing. There is a strong grass roots anger about illegal immigration especially among Americans who are hardest hit economically by competition with illegals.

Religious conservatives are blue collar primarily. If the GOP nominates a McCain or a Giuliani who is weak on borders and the Dems nominate someone who at least talks tough on illegal immigration, they will either sit home on election day or cross over.


30 posted on 05/06/2005 5:34:51 PM PDT by Sam the Sham
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To: flashbunny
This ignores the fact that the same country built an 1,800 mile railroad through mountains, over some of toughest terrain in the country, and in some of the harshest weather - with little more than picks, shovels, and blasting powder.

Ahem, with immigrant labor(Chinese). This is where we got chop suey.

31 posted on 05/06/2005 5:35:16 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: foobeca
Republicans want cheap subsidized workers for the subsidized farms in the red states

That seems to be the prevailing analysis, but, I'm not convinced of it. I am of the opinion that we do not need to look that deeply. With the Pubs timidity is, more often than not, the answer.

They get demonized everytime they take a firm stand & have not the guts to defend and return fire. Consequently, they give up before the game starts.

In psycho-babble it is refered to as a self fulfilling prophecy.

32 posted on 05/06/2005 5:35:54 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s......you weren't really there.)
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To: 26lemoncharlie

See reply #8 for a juxtaposition of zogby's poll.


33 posted on 05/06/2005 5:36:10 PM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: John Jorsett

If the majority want the cops to help the feds, why do they elect mayors that forbid the police from helping the feds and legislators who pass laws requiring benefits for illegal aliens, that keep them coming here. If you took away all the benefits, you would see a significant reduction in the numbers.


34 posted on 05/06/2005 5:36:19 PM PDT by Eva
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To: KarlInOhio
That's why they're called "undocumented workers" now, kind of like someone who forgot his ID card at work and has to get a temporary one from security.

I forget what thread it was, but the article referred to illegal aliens as "people on the move".

35 posted on 05/06/2005 5:38:47 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: Dane
Ahem, with immigrant labor(Chinese). This is where we got chop suey.

AHEM legal immigrant labor.....

36 posted on 05/06/2005 5:39:25 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: foobeca
Whichever party in 2008 comes out against illegal immigration will win.

I have never voted for a democrat - not in more than 30 years of voting.

That being said...I agree. I am tired of uncontrolled open borders. I want the invasion stopped.

38 posted on 05/06/2005 5:39:37 PM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name. (173))
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Not just construction, but food industry, hospitals, maintenance work, contract work, etc.

True. The big joke where I live is that restaurant cooks are all Mexicans, even in Chinese restaurants.

39 posted on 05/06/2005 5:39:56 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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To: John Jorsett

It only makes sense to oppose illegal immigration.


40 posted on 05/06/2005 5:41:42 PM PDT by k2blader (Immorality bites.)
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To: jocon307
Do you really think the issue will get that much attention by then?

Odds are that there will be some terror event in the future that involves South Americans and/or Mexican gangsters. Which will get everybody's attention.

41 posted on 05/06/2005 5:43:54 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (You must respect my a-tor-it-tah!)
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To: k2blader
Like Sonny Bono said, "What's to talk about? It's illegal."

Everyone would benefit from a fair enforcement of the law.

I'm not surprised that such a supermajority wants something done about it.

42 posted on 05/06/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by B Knotts (Viva il Papa!)
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To: John Jorsett

if major ity would quit hiring em they'd probably be less likely to keep acoming


43 posted on 05/06/2005 5:46:04 PM PDT by alrea (HELP WANTED: U.N. seeks experienced piecekeepers for African missions; overnight travel required.)
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The first time I saw Natalie (not her real name but everyone said she looked like a young Natalie Woods) was at a crawfish boil at Bimbos. Natalie was thumbing meat out of the tails for etouffee with her right hand while sucking heads out of her left hand.

She looked up at me with the sweetest, most innocent smile ever seen at Bimbos and said “Hi!” It seems she had just moved out of her parents’ home on the Trinity River and come to Houston to live with her older sister and brother-in-law.

All Natalie had ever known was the river community. The river folk live on land owned by the Trinity River Authority and make a living supplying yellow cats to the restaurants and fish markets in East Texas. Some people say they build their houses out of wood they find floating down the river, but Natalie said her father traded fish to Oggletree’s saw mill for surplus building materials.

Natalie was in hog heaven living in Houston. For a girl reared on black beans, rice and backstrap, even a Big Mac was a special experience.

It didn’t take long for Natalie to hook up with Lance (not his real name), a journeyman electrician who had recently moved to Houston from Michigan. Like most Michigan-Americans he was superb at explaining to us how we did everything wrong in Texas. Especially irksome to him were our laws that permitted nonunion electricians to work on public buildings such as hotels and shopping malls.

Lance was a man of principles, foremost of which was that he would not unlock his tool box for less than prevailing union wage. After the federally related project for which he had moved down here ended, Lance didn’t unlock his toolbox very often. Natalie’s jobs at Children’s World and Wal-Mart made the payments on his mobile home and pickup truck, but not much more.

Under pressure from Natalie’s sister and some regulars at Bimbos, Lance finally agreed to consider jobs for a little less than union wage. But after awhile, instead of taking jobs he simply started complaining that there weren’t any decent jobs because the Mexicans took them all. He quickly learned all the code phrases such as crowded emergency rooms, lowering educational levels, disease, crime, welfare, cultural dilution, invasion, and most righteously, “illegal.”

He could have accepted a steady job with an electrical service company at which a friend of works, but he told owner that he wasn’t going to work for $18 an hour “changing light bulbs at used car lots.” He told Natalie he didn’t get the job because he didn’t speak Spanish.

Instead he talked Natalie into getting a higher paying job at one of the topless clubs outside the city limits that will hire 17 year olds to dance. Lance always appeared remorseful about Natalie having to do what she did, but he was adamant that it wasn’t his fault, it was the fault of the government for letting in all those Mexicans who took all the jobs.

Natalie doesn’t smile anymore. Her sister says Natalie still defends Lance to friends even though she knows that Mexicans aren’t the real reason Lance won’t get a job.
There are many Natalies in America today. Some are young children whose dead-beat fathers are a year behind in child support “because the Mexicans got all the jobs.” Some are parents whose grown sons have moved back home because “ the Mexicans got all the good jobs.”
Some are young men and women who are discouraged from attending technical schools or applying for entry level jobs because they have heard that only Mexicans are being hired.
But ironically, probably the biggest victims are those who are wasting their lives away complaining about Mexicans instead of getting jobs and building normal lives.


44 posted on 05/06/2005 5:48:19 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: ChildOfThe60s
With the Pubs timidity is, more often than not, the answer.

Agreed. They're hyper-sensitive to the "racist" label, even though it's so over-used that it means nothing today.

The pubs are in a fish-or-cut-bait situation--their constituents, the blue-collar workers, are getting hammered in the workplace and are looking for relief. On the other side, the pubs don't want to get labeled "racist" by the dems when they so much as clear their throats to talk about immigration. Throw in the pubs' efforts to win over the latino vote and you've got a situation that requires strong leadership, vision and a stiff backbone--something the pubs are seriously lacking. It's just easier to point and yell, "Look, it's Superman!" and run the other way.

45 posted on 05/06/2005 5:49:57 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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Oh, yes, this helps your credibility on this issue. /s

You know this is about the billions your illegals and those who hire them are stealing in freebies. No subsidies for you.

47 posted on 05/06/2005 5:52:55 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: John Jorsett
SEE MY POST AND PASS THE WORD:

(State and Local—LEA--Authority to Enforce Immigration Law.)

"The law on this question is quite clear: arresting aliens who have violated either criminal provisions of the INA or civil provisions that render an alien deportable "IS WITHIN THE INHERENT AUTHORITY OF STATES." And such inherent arrest authority has never been preempted by Congress.

The source of this authority flows from the states’ status as sovereign entities. THEY ARE SOVEREIGN GOVERNMENTS possessing all residual powers not abridged or superceded by the U.S. Constitution. (Emphasis. Added)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1395690/posts

48 posted on 05/06/2005 5:56:17 PM PDT by An American Patriot ("GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME"-- the opportunity to get the Hell out of here! Bye Bye VT- Hello, VA)
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To: Dane

" More like tom tancredo, backstabber to Tom Delay 2005."

Don't you mean " More like George Bush, backstabber to America 2000-2005."


49 posted on 05/06/2005 6:00:38 PM PDT by politicalwit (USA...A Nation of Selective Law Enforcement.)
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