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Religion Today (Psycho Liberals at CUNY bash Christian Conservatives)
Associated Press (by way of Kentucky.com) ^ | Thu, May. 05, 2005 | Richard N. Ostling

Posted on 05/06/2005 6:26:45 PM PDT by Jacob Kell

NEW YORK - A video screen showed President Bush boarding a plane for Washington. His purpose: To get to the White House and sign Congress' bill asking federal courts to review the removal of Terri Schiavo's feeding tube.

Joan Bokaer of TheocracyWatch.org offered her take on the action. "There's something strange about the folks running our country," she quipped. The audience of 500 people responded with some appreciative chuckles.

Bokaer, from a social action center affiliated with Cornell University, was speaking at a conference last weekend that denounced conservative Republicans on matters like mercy-killing, abortion, gay marriage, research using human embryos, broadcast indecency, Israel, Iraq, faith-based charity funding, judicial nominations and church-state relations. The book table sold assorted Bush-bashing titles.

But the gathering wasn't a Democratic Party caucus.

It was an academic conference at the City University of New York on "the real agenda of the religious far right" - and it offered a fresh example of just how venomous America's conservative-liberal religious split has become and how entangled faith is with politics.

The meeting came as debate about religion's role in politics and government has reached incendiary heights with the Schiavo case, followed by the dispute over Republican judicial nominees and Democratic Senate filibusters.

At the CUNY conference, the central threat speakers raised was "theocracy" - a label often heard from politicians and liberal pundits in recent days that conservatives consider extremely insulting. The word's dictionary meaning is a regime where clergy monopolize power and impose divine dictates.

Though one speaker lamented Roman Catholicism's new "fundamentalist pope," the weekend's chief targets were evangelical Protestants - whose tactics were compared with those of Machiavelli, Hitler, Stalin and Jim Jones of mass suicide fame.

One speaker described even the Rev. Billy Graham as a theocratic fellow traveler because he wants more Christians involved in public life.

While conservatives would certainly take offense to some of the comments, evangelicals have shown in recent weeks that they also have a touch for remarks guaranteed to irritate or frighten fellow Americans.

Talking about candidates for federal judgeships, Southern Baptist seminary President R. Albert Mohler Jr. said, "We are not asking for persons merely to be moral. We want them to be believers in the Lord Jesus Christ."

And on ABC's "This Week," Pat Robertson reaffirmed his beliefs that liberal judges are more dangerous to America than anything for centuries, al-Qaida included, that he's dubious about Muslims as judges and that if he were president he'd allow only Christians and Jews in his cabinet.

The speakers at CUNY offered fierce language, too. Historian Hugh Urban of Ohio State University charged Christian hard-liners with exploiting the "otherwise vacuous figure of George W. Bush" as they plot against democracy.

Charles Strozier, director of a CUNY terrorism center, said the religious right, "emboldened in ways never seen before in American history," is promoting the "basically neo-Fascist schemes of the new Republicans."

No speaker representing religious conservatives was invited to offer a rebuttal. Nor did conferees clarify what religious lobbying is proper or improper.

The Rev. Bob Edgar, a former Democratic congressman and general secretary of the National Council of Churches, strongly favors religious politicking but said in an interview that he draws the line when groups say "we are right and everyone else is evil" or claim that "another point of view is illegitimate."

Edgar accuses the religious right of such attitudes. "This may be the darkest time in our history," he told the CUNY conference. "Our very liberties are at stake."

His church council supported the CUNY meeting along with Americans United for Separation of Church and State, People For the American Way and others. The New York Open Center and CUNY were the co-sponsors.

Responding to the meeting, conservatives said their political activism merely expresses their rights as citizens to advocate, vote and participate in government - the same rights liberals and secularists exercise.

Theocracy labeling is "a very subtle attempt to smear evangelical Christians with what we see happening in the Mideast," said Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council.

Tom Minnery, public policy vice president with Focus on the Family, called the charge "ludicrous." He said the conference indicates the left "is vaporizing in a hysteria of ignorance and vindictiveness. We've never seen anything like it."

Mostly, CUNY conferees backed the theocracy charge by associating the religious right with an extremist movement known as "reconstructionism," "theonomy" or "dominionism." Proponents such as Rousas J. Rushdoony of California's Chalcedon Foundation, who died in 2001, advocated imposition of Old Testament laws.

Evangelical activists deny that this small group influences their thinking.

One nonpartisan expert who wasn't present at CUNY, Rice University sociologist William Martin, agrees that reconstructionists are a tiny fringe, though he does worry that some activists are being tempted toward theocratic thinking.

"Of course religious people have a right to be involved in politics, and we can't expect them to leave their values behind," he said. "The proper response from those who disagree is not to proclaim them as un-American but to try to oppose them in the political arena."

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Conference agenda: http://www.opencenter.org/Trainings/Religious_Right_Agenda.html


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Does anyone know anything about this "TheocracyWatch.org" or the New York Open Center? The latter sounds like one of George Soros's outfits.
1 posted on 05/06/2005 6:26:50 PM PDT by Jacob Kell
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To: Jacob Kell

shows more about our universities than the rift between Democrats and Republicans, I would say (which really worries me as a college student).


2 posted on 05/06/2005 6:38:02 PM PDT by Ain Soph Aur
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To: Jacob Kell

http://www.theocracywatch.org/


It's just the left's knee-jerk reaction to Christians.


3 posted on 05/06/2005 7:04:58 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Jacob Kell

http://www.opencenter.org/

These are probably some of the organizations that get FEDERAL FUNDING (our tax dollars).


4 posted on 05/06/2005 7:06:35 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: CyberAnt

Theocracy watch has a website. It is one woman, I think.


5 posted on 05/06/2005 7:35:16 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

http://www.theocracywatch.org


6 posted on 05/06/2005 7:41:10 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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To: Jacob Kell

We will have a theocracy and the Christians will be judges.


7 posted on 05/06/2005 7:44:16 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Raycpa

1 Corinthians 6:2-4

2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.


8 posted on 05/06/2005 8:04:16 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: Jacob Kell

These pathetic morons haven't seen a real conservative since Raegan. We need someone who would make them pee in their pants for real.


9 posted on 05/06/2005 8:36:19 PM PDT by vpintheak (Liberal = The antithesis of Freedom and Patriotism)
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The Rev. Bob Edgar, a former Democratic congressman and general secretary of the National Council of Churches, strongly favors religious politicking but said in an interview that he draws the line when groups say "we are right and everyone else is evil" or claim that "another point of view is illegitimate."

This sounds like a perfect description of the Left's intolerance for people of faith.

10 posted on 05/06/2005 8:37:15 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: CyberAnt

the y do get some funding out of CUNY, so that at least get state and city money.


11 posted on 05/06/2005 8:44:44 PM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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But .. it's just pure ignorance to say, "this is our university" .. because it's not theirs .. they just get to use it for an education .. not to start a political career on my dime.


12 posted on 05/06/2005 9:36:23 PM PDT by CyberAnt (President Bush: "America is the greatest nation on the face of the earth")
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"Edgar accuses the religious right of such attitudes. "This may be the darkest time in our history," he told the CUNY conference. "Our very liberties are at stake."

Oh really....prayer removed from schools, abortion deaths in the millions, ACLU removing public religious displays and perverted homosexual and hollywood values shoved down our collective throats. And CUNY worried about "liberties at stake"? For whom? Worried about a theocracy?

I suppose the 1940's and 50's was a 'Theocracy' period in the USA prior to the onslaught of liberal amoral values?

Note to leftist liberals....the Founding Fathers prayed to God and relied on the Bible for wisdom in guidance in designing the Constitution. So to the 'Revisionist elites'... Bring back the sane and the original constitutional 'Theocracy' you blinded leftist fools.


13 posted on 05/06/2005 9:40:58 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Jacob Kell

INTREP


14 posted on 05/06/2005 11:15:13 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (The radical secularization of America is happening)
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To: Jacob Kell; All
Crosslinked:

Early warning shots-- the War against Religion...

15 posted on 05/07/2005 2:08:34 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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"Joan Bokaer of TheocracyWatch.org"

What will she say some day when a person in a white coat comes to her sickbed and says "You have been given your allotted share of medecine Ms. Bokaer, it's time for you to go."

16 posted on 05/07/2005 5:27:54 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: Salem; NYer; Mark in the Old South; Pyro7480; ArrogantBustard; Salvation

Ping!


17 posted on 05/09/2005 5:19:10 AM PDT by Convert from ECUSA (tired of all the shucking and jiving)
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To: Jacob Kell
Does anyone know anything about this "TheocracyWatch.org" or the New York Open Center? The latter sounds like one of George Soros's outfits.

I'd like to see their reaction to the rebuilding of the Temple!

Where do anti-Theocrats get their "objective" moral standards (which they so enjoy accusing the rest of us of vioalting)?

19 posted on 05/09/2005 8:02:34 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The unity of the wicked is bad for them and bad for the world.)
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Mostly, CUNY conferees backed the theocracy charge by associating the religious right with an extremist movement known as "reconstructionism," "theonomy" or "dominionism." Proponents such as Rousas J. Rushdoony of California's Chalcedon Foundation, who died in 2001, advocated imposition of Old Testament laws.

Hey! As someone who truly advocates the imposition of "old testament" laws, I resent that remark!

"Reconstructionism" or "Dominionism" is an optimistic, post-millenial school of thought that holds that chr*stians are obligated to conquer and rule the world before the "second coming" can occur. It is highly anti-Zionist and anti-Jewish (it's basically the John Birch Society's answer to Zionist Fundamentalism) and would transform Protestant chr*stianity from a means of salvation into a universal statutory obligation (like Catholicism and Orthodox chr*stianity). And they do not really advocate imposition of the Torah--in fact, they're adamantly opposed to this. They would require worship of J*sus and worship on sunday (which are certainly inimical to Torah); they basically want to use "old testament Israel" as a pattern for a "new testament" universal "theocracy" (which would not be a theocracy since it would not be governed by G-d).

Finally, only Torah Jewry is or has ever been a true Theocracy. Non-Jewish "theocracies" should be termed "hierocracies," "rule by priests," since human clerics and not the True G-d are the rulers.

20 posted on 05/09/2005 8:11:07 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The unity of the wicked is bad for them and bad for the world.)
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