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DNA: The Tiny Code That's Toppling Evolution
Good News Magazine ^ | May 2005 | Mario Seiglie

Posted on 05/06/2005 7:36:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: Agamemnon


Where did that electrical charge come from?


At some point- something came from nothin'. And that's where you get intelligent design.

Phi Phi Phi- look it up.


101 posted on 05/06/2005 8:59:43 PM PDT by LauraleeBraswell ( We must stand behind TOM DELAY!)
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To: Charles H. (The_r0nin)

***Good post; you beat me to it. A genetic sequence written out on a piece of paper can't replicate, the biological one can. The medium is the message...


Good, now someone explain how to "create" DNA. Has it been done in a lab? And DNA is just one complicated part of the human body. How about blood clotting? How can blood clotting develop over time, step by step, without bleeding to death in the meantime? The whole system needs to be in place. Clot in lung, you die. Clot 30 minutes after a cut, you die. Clot throughout your whole body, you die. Clot that doesn't cover the whole cut, you die.


102 posted on 05/06/2005 8:59:50 PM PDT by jdhljc169
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I believe evolution was guided by the intelligent designer. THAT'S ALL INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS!!!

No it's not.

103 posted on 05/06/2005 8:59:56 PM PDT by Eddeche
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To: Marine_Uncle

Earlier today I had thought my daughter left her hula hoop outdoors when I walked past it but now I'm not so sure.


104 posted on 05/06/2005 9:00:06 PM PDT by killermosquito (Hillary, go back to the little rock you crawled out from under!)
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To: plain talk; MacDorcha
Hey Plain, is MacDorcha the keeper of the ID ping list?

Mac, if you are add me to it. Thanks!

105 posted on 05/06/2005 9:01:46 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is a religion of peace, they should fire their P.R. guy!)
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To: Coyoteman
Question? Is there anything that could shake your belief in science and its version of evolution? If the answer is "No, nothing could shake my belief in science and evolution," then you have answered the science/religion question in favor of religion
106 posted on 05/06/2005 9:02:24 PM PDT by Shadrak (“Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole” Ann Coulter)
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To: Eddeche
The stolen-election crowd & the ID crowd both start with a firm belief in a conclusion and then scavenge for any piece of 'evidence' they can find to support their theory.

Like evolutionists?

107 posted on 05/06/2005 9:03:02 PM PDT by concerned about politics (Vote Republican - Vote morally correct!)
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To: bobbdobbs
..what intelligent source created God?

I always assumed He came from the God Farm.

Not everyone is lucky enough to get a good God. We happened to get one that has a habit of getting angry and busting his toys. He does seem to have grown somewhat more benevolent since the says we he killed all the first born of an entire nation.

I wonder if he got replaced sometime in the last few hundred years.

108 posted on 05/06/2005 9:04:30 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: DouglasKC

Right. The DNA information is dependent on cellular machinery for its code to be useful in the same way that words are dependent on human minds to be useful. The difference is that while DNA codes for and creates the cellular machinery, humans can exist without information.


109 posted on 05/06/2005 9:05:20 PM PDT by ValenB4 (Viva il Papa, Benedict XVI)
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To: Pan_Yan
Is it possible that the same society of scientists who fervently defend the religion of global warming could be wrong about evolution too?

First there are oodles of scientists that don't buy the global warming theory - it's our socialist, anticapitalist press that only gives air to those that support their agenda that makes it seem like all scientists support global warming.

Secondly, true scientists have no problem with a theory being wrong - in fact those that do are usually revered and go on to win Nobel Prizes. Einstein is a good example - he showed that Newtons laws don't work under certain conditions and came up with his theory of how nature behaves.

Now his theory is being questioned - String theory is competing to be the newest explanation of nature.

Creationists on the other hand cannot admit to be wrong, because they accept that as an article of faith not physical evidence. Creationism is a dogma not a theory!!

110 posted on 05/06/2005 9:05:44 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: bobbdobbs
If high level information can only come from an intelligent source, and God must be composed of high level information, what intelligent source created God?

You are out of order! You are not permitted to ask a religionist metaphysical questions of the nature of God. David Hume asked this question, if we are to believe souls are immaterial and exist after death, where were they before birth; they couldn't have been a creation of a material act.

Stephen Hawkins met with the late Pope and was discussing the Big Bang Theory. The Pope appreciated the concept very much, but told Hawkings he should not inquire into the nature of the Universe before the Big Bang.

Metaphysical questions like these make religionists uncomfortable.

111 posted on 05/06/2005 9:06:32 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: Eddeche

Well, "Bush stole the election" is 100% of the DU/Kos etc. crowd. But here we have both sides of the ID/evo!


112 posted on 05/06/2005 9:07:20 PM PDT by guitarist
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To: LauraleeBraswell
Since the first man aknowledged his being, he came to wonder who made all this, what came before all the fathers and all the mothers. Isn't it a curiouse thing that the first question man has asked from the dawn of his self awareness is where did we all come from and why- and that that very same first question is still being asked today? We still don't know. And we can research and look all we want- we can even throw our hands up- but I don't think we'll ever know how this stuff works.

You're quoting something here, or are these mere utterances of your own imagination?

113 posted on 05/06/2005 9:07:29 PM PDT by Agamemnon (Intelligent Design is to evolution what the Swift Boat Vets were to the Kerry campaign)
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To: concerned about politics
Is there anything that can change your faith in Darwin's religion based on man? I didn't think so. You'll always believe you're just some kind of ooze. When it comes to evolution, is just damn good propaganda. Many like yourself believe every bit of it without any proof whatsoever. THAT, my friend, is a faith. Read any article on evolution, and remove the "we think/could be/possibly/the theory holds/it's possible/many believe...." and you'll end up with .....nothing.

GREAT POST!

114 posted on 05/06/2005 9:08:06 PM PDT by jdhljc169
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To: LauraleeBraswell
I don't believe in the bible.

I am not a Christian.

I don't adhere to any organised religion.

So, you are way off on that.


Interesting profile.

When you advocate CS or ID you are in with some religious, and often anti-science, people, whose belief stems from the bible and its view of creation.

On many of these threads they have been trying to destroy the underpinnings of science in order to forward their belief. They state that scientists claim evolution is a FACT, and demand that it be identified in schools as a theory. Scientists all know it is a theory, one which has withstood the test of time, but that's what we get in return.

People whose belief is paramount (i.e., they know the final answer) are using pseudo-scientific methods to get from A to B. Scientists don't know what is beyond A, but they have a method (scientific method) to find out. They have no fixed goal in sight.

But, I don't suppose any logic or expressions of belief will change any opposing minds on these threads. Good night all.

115 posted on 05/06/2005 9:09:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: aquila48
Isn't atheism a dogma?
116 posted on 05/06/2005 9:10:08 PM PDT by Pan_Yan (All grey areas are fabrications.)
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To: K4Harty; plain talk; MacDorcha

I too would like to be added to the ID ping list. Thanks.


117 posted on 05/06/2005 9:11:17 PM PDT by killermosquito (Hillary, go back to the little rock you crawled out from under!)
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To: Coyoteman
Next you'll be telling us the sun rises in the east.

Not to be too nit picky, but the sun actually does not rise in the East or the West. It is traveling through space and the Earth is orbiting it. The earth rotates, and it is the rotation of the earth that creates the appearance that the sun is actually rising. Now, I guess one could argue that the sun *is* rising, but not relative to the earth, but perhaps some other celestial body. but I digress...
118 posted on 05/06/2005 9:11:58 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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To: Paloma_55
I digress...

Yes, you do.

119 posted on 05/06/2005 9:13:53 PM PDT by Coyoteman
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To: Coyoteman

:)


120 posted on 05/06/2005 9:14:28 PM PDT by Paloma_55
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