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DNA: The Tiny Code That's Toppling Evolution
Good News Magazine ^ | May 2005 | Mario Seiglie

Posted on 05/06/2005 7:36:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC

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To: contemplator
It's getting late for me, so let me respond to just two questions in your post.

I am curious, do you think that science will arrive at an explanation? No

Science doesn't really arrive at explanations. It describes things as they are, but it can't explain them. It can tell you with great accuracy how electricity behaves. But it can't explain it. Yes, it can tell you that electricity is electrons that have been stripped off of atoms, yadda yadda. But what is the electron. And what is the force that stripped them from the atom. There is always another question. There are only descriptions of what is being observed, but no explanations of how or why.

Your line of reasoning begs the question, "is it possible for science to prove an intelligent design?" I wouldn't say that it is impossible. However I can't propose a way to do it.

I can tell you with certainty that it is very possible for an individual to satisfy themselves as to the existence of God. I have done so, rather late in life, and after being adamantly opposed to that possibility. Many millions of people have done so.

"Faith" can be misunderstood. If you tell me that you will do something, and I have faith in you, that means that I believe you will do what you say, I trust you.

Faith in God is much the same. It doesn't mean that I just have to believe that He exists, and that that is all there is to it.

Faith in God means that I trust Him. Once I have opened myself up to a relationship with him in that matter, I am able to experience his presence in many tangible and profound ways.

221 posted on 05/07/2005 12:46:47 AM PDT by GSHastings
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To: BipolarBob
And your theories are what? The primordial soup coded and manufactured the just right media for life and animated it on the one planet with life sustaining abilities? Not just once but with multiple species and self sustaning sexual modifications to propagate? You actually believe this? The acceptance of creation is so much more likely and believable by such a large magnitude, it's hardly worth the effort.

Not worth comment.

222 posted on 05/07/2005 3:11:10 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: killermosquito
Many of the people described in the article are scientists who have become "people who have no trouble tossing the entire body of scientific research into the evolution of life on earth on the trash heap."

This article is a trivialization and misrepresentation of what is actually happening in the scientific community. No reputable scientist is suggesting any such thing. And, to be sure, NOTHING in evolution (improperly labeled as "Darwinism") is incompatible with belief in God.

223 posted on 05/07/2005 3:14:28 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: ClaireSolt
Plugging data into a theory is idiot work for people wearing blinders.

Science does not plug "data into a theory", never. That is what creationists do.

And that is why science is always incomplete, and creationism is always a perfect and and self-satisfied whole. And woe unto any with the timerity to question it.

224 posted on 05/07/2005 3:18:09 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: GSHastings
It's that the FUNDAMENTAL concept of Evolution is so uterly and obviously incapable of producing the complexity of life.

It may be obvious to you but it is anything but obvious to me. What is obvious to me is that I see evidence of change and evolution all around me everyday, as such a commonplace part of God's creation that I cannot understand why it denied with such vehemence by some.

225 posted on 05/07/2005 3:20:44 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: raygun

The idea that DNA contains information, while seductive and perhaps satisfying to some, is fundamentally a lie.

There is no more information in DNA than there is in a snowflake.

If there is information in DNA, then that "information" ought to be just as useful, or perhaps I should say utilitarian, if carried by some other medium, just like "War and Peace" is "war and Peace" whether printed on paper or stored on a CD ROM. But, it is demonstably false that the amino acid sequences of DNA have any utility expressed in any other form.


226 posted on 05/07/2005 3:35:10 AM PDT by John Valentine
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To: Eddeche

Kindly describe for us unenlightened on this thread, just which part of this article is the excrement part that so agitates you?


227 posted on 05/07/2005 3:45:04 AM PDT by mo
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To: bobbdobbs

you can ask Him someday


228 posted on 05/07/2005 4:04:19 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Fiddlstix; mikeus_maximus; johnnyb_61820; Aquinasfan; ...

The first person to call it the "id" pinglist gets treated the same as the first person who calls UPS "ups"

IDping-a-ling!

(Thanks plain talk)


229 posted on 05/07/2005 4:40:43 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: DouglasKC

If high level information can only come from an intelligent source, and God must be composed of high level information, what intelligent source created God?

"The buck stops here"

Right. Time to stop thinking.

"In a sense you're right. It's time to stop trying to figure out life on your own, based on man's ideas, and ask the creator what's going on."



Good responses to both questions!

You sir, are the man!


230 posted on 05/07/2005 4:58:53 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: Ichneumon
That's about the best short summation of the "ID movement" I've ever seen.

And 5 posts before you and one immediately after, to that same post would disagree with you. Your understanding of ID is on par with (your assumption of) the ID's understanding of evolution.

231 posted on 05/07/2005 5:04:32 AM PDT by MacDorcha (Where Rush dares not tread, there are the Freepers!)
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To: Pan_Yan
Is it possible that the same society of scientists who fervently defend the religion of global warming could be wrong about evolution too?

What I wonder, is what do political conservatives do about the cognitive dissonance between believing every word of the scientific community about evolution, and dismissing it (apparantly?) when it comes to global warming.....

Or do these ardent evolutionists also believe that man has caused global warming like the 'society of scientists' preach?

Aren't they the least bit suspicious that so-called scientists also might have a liberal agenda? Where's the critical thought here?

232 posted on 05/07/2005 5:08:45 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Coyoteman
Evolution is based on a materialistic philosophy, not on objective scientific discovery.

If it were based on true science, it wouldn't have eliminated some of the options before it started looking for the answers.

233 posted on 05/07/2005 5:13:04 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: dr_lew
This is false. Evolution was arrived at, and is solely supported, by reason.

Whoa! You'd better do some homework there, dr_lew.

The original purpose of evolution was to find a way to explain origins WITHOUT miracles...........to debunk Genesis.

That's not 'reason.' That's agenda.

234 posted on 05/07/2005 5:15:13 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
There are many branches of Mathematics and the Sciences that are too complex for me to understand. Should I then believe Mathematics and the Sciences were created by God and not by Man?

Yes.
235 posted on 05/07/2005 5:40:36 AM PDT by demkicker (Support DeLay, the Hammer, and the filibuster ban on judicial nominations!)
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To: DouglasKC

Very good article but it does not explain antigenic drift and antigenic shift. Just because there might be evaluation does not mean there is an absents of GOD.


236 posted on 05/07/2005 6:31:30 AM PDT by Total Package (TOLEDO, OHIO THE BLUE PIMPLE IN A SEA OF RED!)
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks for the ping... great article.


238 posted on 05/07/2005 7:47:15 AM PDT by gobucks (http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/classics/students/Ribeiro/Laocoon.htm)
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To: bobbdobbs
Purporting the link between the reliability of the source and the merit of their argument is not a logical fallacy.

The information you are getting regarding scientific discovery about evolution is coming from the same source that is giving misinformation about global warming.

It is illogical to trust the scientific community on either subject. There is an agenda in both areas.

239 posted on 05/07/2005 7:51:43 AM PDT by ohioWfan ("If My people, which are called by My name, will humble themselves and pray.....")
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To: Coyoteman

Did he correct for errors in the Julian calendar? I think the Chinese calendar is more accurate. Ouch bit me tongue.


240 posted on 05/07/2005 7:55:44 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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