Posted on 05/06/2005 7:36:09 PM PDT by DouglasKC
"The ID & CS'ers cite "Darwinism" as if there have been no advances in data or theory in 150+ years. I cite Bishop Usher as a counter-example of the same technique."
Fair enough. But you didn't answer my question, could a rather simple final product such as a plastic hola hoop come into being from a number of random chemical reactions between in-organic and organic chemicals in in a pond, on the dry ground, next to a volcano vent, whatever. I even specified the type of plastic. And of course added a rather simply geometric design it would physically adhere to.
And this question goes to anyone that cannot accept that what they have learned about evolution is not neccesarily derived from good science. I am not picking on you sir.
I don't think you've studied evolution-
No. Words are not material things. They do not exist in the physical world. Words are dependent on our minds subjectively perceiving them. The base pairs that comprise a DNA helix are materially important - like an organ in the body. Without DNA the cell will eventually die. DNA moleculues are to the nucleus of a cell what the brain matter is to the skull for the entire body.
The stolen-election crowd & the ID crowd both start with a firm belief in a conclusion and then scavenge for any piece of 'evidence' they can find to support their theory.
Well said! A thousand years ago, lightning, eclipses, the phases of the moon, volcanoes erupting, diseases, etc. - all were complex and not understood. Simply saying it was gods doing didn't explain anything or make life easier. It was the "scientific method" that got us out of the dark ages.
Same thing today - saying that god created everything adds zero to our understanding.
I find creationists to be as bad as most environazis. Their agenda is to not to search for the truth, but to force their dogma on everyone else.
Let's see...the article states that he was an agnostic. It then gives a direct quote where he *admits* that an HONEST man (not deceitful, not malacious) ARMED WITH ALL KNOWLEDGE THAT SCIENCE HAS NOW...WOULD CONCLUDE THAT THE ORIGIN OF LIFE IS ALMOST A MIRACLE.
You can draw your own inferences, but obviously the man felt that there wasn't sufficient scientific evidence to prove that that the beginning of life was anything but a miracle.
This only applies to the physical universe. It takes something outside the physical universe to be the first cause.
NO THEY DON'T.
I believe evolution was guided by the intelligent designer. THAT'S ALL INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS!!!
Why? Creationism failed, so now the same folks are peddling ID. The source is the same, belief in the bible and its literal meaning.
Be honest about this. If it were not for the bible and the creation story it tells, would you care at all about disproving evolution? What other fields of science are you/they active in?
It's only information in a material sense. Dinosaurs and every other species do not have intelligence and do not have any understanding of DNA. Yet the DNA does its job, as does the spleen, heart, kidney, liver, etc. Since intelligence is not needed for DNA to function, DNA is not really information in the way we perceive interpersonal communicable information.
I don't believe in the bible.
I am not a Christian.
I don't adhere to any organised religion.
So, you are way off on that.
I never quite heard it put that way, but that says it all.
Main Entry: intelligent design
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a theory that nature and complex biological structures were designed by intelligent beings and were not created by chance; abbr. ID
Example: Intelligent design refers to the theory that intelligent causes are responsible for the origin of the universe and of life in all its diversity
- Dictionary.com
THE ORIGINS OF THE UNIVERSE, not the progess (evolution). There is nothing there about the Bible.
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Cite a source. I think you have very different evolutionary lines. Who says that bears evolved from monkeys? No science course I ever took says that. I think you are many millions of years off.
Creationism is bunk. Neanderthal stuff. What idiot would waste all of his time writing such silly drivel??!! This crap should be on an Art Bell site. Not the Free Republic.
I see what you're saying, but DNA material on it's own is the same as paper. It's nothing but a bunch of chemicals with no information to impart...unless it's organized into a message bearing material.
You mean to tell us that your NY high school biology classes did not discuss the notion of abiogenesis: life, supposedly springing from a combination of electrical charges and chemical elements, i.e. the chemical evolution process?
Life is here. Where do you think it began?
This is false. Evolution was arrived at, and is solely supported, by reason. Intelligent design, like creationism, is Christian apologetics.
Neither is proven.
This much may be granted.
That's why both should be taught in schools and left wide open for discussion.
That would be fine by me, but be careful what you wish for. I remember many years ago sitting at a lunch table after everybody else had left, when a colleague opined that somebody must have found the theory of evolution written on a roll of toilet paper. My thought at the time was, "Why am I the one sitting here taking this?"
That's fine. But don't now pretend you are doing science.
Is there anything that can change your faith in Darwin's religion based on man? I didn't think so. You'll always believe you're just some kind of ooze.
When it comes to evolution, is just damn good propaganda. Many like yourself believe every bit of it without any proof whatsoever. THAT, my friend, is a faith.
Read any article on evolution, and remove the "we think/could be/possibly/the theory holds/it's possible/many believe...." and you'll end up with .....nothing.
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